Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread
 

[quote=Schneed10;1183019]Gruden's record with McVay and his record without McVay speaks volumes.

His complete inability to field a competitive defense over FOUR SEASONS also is damning. He doesn't know how to hire a defensive coordinator.[/quote]

He also has one of the worst RZ % over that 4 year span, we are in the bottom 10 over the years in RZ scoring, that won't beat many teams

Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread
 

[quote=metalskins;1183010]This team isn't healthier. You can tell by how gassed the defense gets after one half of a football game. That comes from having nobody to rotate in. The offense isn't healthier. We have one running back. Half of the offensive line out on IR, and the guys playing are all playing hurt. Our back ups to the backups to the other backups continue to get hurt. Our best receiver is Ryan Grant. He shouldn't be anywhere near a starting lineup. How Gruden was able to keep this team competitive up until the last two weeks has been nothing short of amazing. He's literally fielding a team of third stringers and practice squad guys. Kirk Cousins has been the only constant starter throughout the season.[/quote]

Gruden is playing with a deck stacked against him but I feel he is responsible for stacking the deck. During his tenure it is pretty obvious the Redskins are on the wrong end of the injury reports, it is starting to become more than coincidence, something isn't right. What it is I do not know, but it appears to be more than just bad luck.

Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1183021]He also has one of the worst RZ % over that 4 year span, we are in the bottom 10 over the years in RZ scoring, that won't beat many teams[/quote]

I got an idea. Let's call three consecutive fades.

To be fair, they've gotten a bit better this year. Cousins has improved in his ability to extend plays.

But the tendency to use Cousins as a runner around the goalline is scary. It's going to get him hurt. Those read option calls can be effective but I feel like Jay uses them as a crutch.

Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread
 

Doc is a good option down there but we just don't have the weapons right now. His calls in crucial situations are what kills me, the fact that we are like 30% on 3rd and short is unreal.

Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread
 

[quote=Schneed10;1183019]Gruden's record with McVay and his record without McVay speaks volumes.

His complete inability to field a competitive defense over FOUR SEASONS also is damning. He doesn't know how to hire a defensive coordinator.[/quote]

Because Gruden doesn't have the power to hire his defensive coordinator. Bruce Allen does all the hiring and firing. He may have Gruden involved in the interview process, but Allen ultimately decides who he wants in there coaching. That is all on Bruce Allen, NOT on Jay Gruden.

Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1183021]He also has one of the worst RZ % over that 4 year span, we are in the bottom 10 over the years in RZ scoring, that won't beat many teams[/quote]

The Redskins are near the bottom in that time span converting 3rd or 4th and 2 or less, that will lead to issues in the red zone.

Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread
 

[quote=metalskins;1183026]Because Gruden doesn't have the power to hire his defensive coordinator. Bruce Allen does all the hiring and firing. He may have Gruden involved in the interview process, but Allen ultimately decides who he wants in there coaching. That is all on Bruce Allen, NOT on Jay Gruden.[/quote]

Again I'd rather have Jerry Jones run my team

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1183027]The Redskins are near the bottom in that time span converting 3rd or 4th and 2 or less, that will lead to issues in the red zone.[/quote]

hello...no running game. one day we will figure it out. Strong Running, Strong Defense wins games

Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread
 

[quote=Buffalo Bob;1183023]Gruden is playing with a deck stacked against him but I feel he is responsible for stacking the deck. During his tenure it is pretty obvious the Redskins are on the wrong end of the injury reports, it is starting to become more than coincidence, something isn't right. What it is I do not know, but it appears to be more than just bad luck.[/quote]

I absolutely do put a lot of blame on Jay Gruden for a number of things. I don't believe Jay Gruden is benign to criticism at all. And ultimately, if the Redskins were able to bring in a GM who actually has power and is competent enough to use said power, then that guy decides Gruden's fate, and picks the new head coach, who in turn must be able to pick a competent coaching staff. That is task number one for that head coach. If he fails at this, he's going to fail at being a head coach even before you get to X's and O's. I am definitely down with that. All I'm saying is, you can fire Jay Gruden, replace him with Vince Lombardi, and it's going to be the same issues as long as Bruce Allen has the final say in everything.

Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1183028]Again I'd rather have Jerry Jones run my team[/quote]

I haven't seen anything to brag about with Jerry Jones. Yes, the Cowboys have had a couple really good seasons in the past decade. They have also had several losing seasons and 8-8 seasons.

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[quote=metalskins;1183034]I haven't seen anything to brag about with Jerry Jones. Yes, the Cowboys have had a couple really good seasons in the past decade. They have also had several losing seasons and 8-8 seasons.[/quote]

They are 20 games over 500 in the last 10 years, I'd take that.

He also knows how to build a team, they have a ton of young talent at key positions.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/34901/redskins-need-strong-finish-to-avoid-speculation-about-jay-grudens-future]Redskins need strong finish to avoid speculation about Jay Gruden - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1183017]Mid season firings never really work but [B]Gruden should have been fired after the Saints game[/B]. The last two games only confirms that he's not HC material. His own players don't even know their assignments, and these aren't guys that are just coming off the street either.

The injuries have hurt but last week was a non competitive team that looked like they didn't want to be there, coming off a long layoff. I've never seen a defense give up 350 yards in a half in an NFL game. Last week's effort was inexcusable, just like the Saints game was.[/quote]

I can understand wanting him gone after the Chargers game.
But after the Saints game? His team came a few mistakes away from beating one of the best teams in the NFL while being one the (if not THE) most injured teams in the league and you want the HC gone at that time ?

Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1183035]They are 20 games over 500 in the last 10 years, I'd take that.



He also knows how to build a team, they have a ton of young talent at key positions.[/QUOTE]


If you’re wishing for a new owner why Jones instead of Kraft? Might as well go for the best in the biz vs a guy who would make you just a little better than you are now.

Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1183035]They are 20 games over 500 in the last 10 years, I'd take that.

He also knows how to build a team, they have a ton of young talent at key positions.[/quote]

In a 16 game season, that averages out to probably around 9-7 each year. That's pretty much what we already have.

It has taken Jones how long to build said team? And even so, the team might still miss the playoffs this year. Honestly, Jones, no thanks.