[QUOTE=44Deezel;884351]If he can't drop back and be an elite passer in a pro style system I don't want him. Big Ben, Manning brothers, Brady, Brees and Rodgers. That's the kind of QB play that wins Super Bowls. Give me a guy like that. If RGIII needs a special offense that caters to his unique skillset then we shouldn't be trading up to get him. I don't want to rely on his legs and am not interested in a gimmicky offense. Let some other team run with that experiment. Until I see someone win it all like that, count me not interested.[/QUOTE]

How many sbs has Vick won? Exactly

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[quote=44Deezel;884351]If he can't drop back and be an elite passer in a pro style system I don't want him. Big Ben, Manning brothers, Brady, Brees and Rodgers. That's the kind of QB play that wins Super Bowls. Give me a guy like that. If RGIII needs a special offense that caters to his unique skillset then we shouldn't be trading up to get him. I don't want to rely on his legs and am not interested in a gimmicky offense. Let some other team run with that experiment. Until I see someone win it all like that, count me not interested.

For the record, I'm in the neither camp unless RGIII falls to 6 and the Shanny's assess him to be an ideal fit for their system.[/quote]

Michael Vick can run the Philly offense quite well. It was laziness(unwillingness), not inability that was hindering him in Atlanta.

Funny, but Rodgers transitioned from a "spread" just fine.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;884353]How many sbs has Vick won? Exactly[/quote]

Exactly. And how many games does he miss each year?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;884352]So you've trained w him?[/quote]no. believe it or not, i have not trained with peyton manning.

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[quote=44Deezel;884355]Exactly. And how many games does he miss each year?[/quote]

Eagles Oline was pretty bad this season, and quite often he would stay in the pocket instead of leaving it.

[QUOTE=SirClintonPortis;884357]Eagles Oline was pretty bad this season, and quite often he would stay in the pocket instead of leaving it.[/QUOTE]

The point is vick is not a traditional passer and has rare talents but can never make the throw needed to be clutch. Rg3 is very similar to that and it's why I'd be worried ntm running qb s don't last long

[QUOTE=los panda;884356]no. believe it or not, i have not trained with peyton manning.[/QUOTE]

I've seen some say his arm is fine and some say it's still a work in progress so who knows

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Because RGIII is a run first QB right?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;884359]I've seen some say his arm is fine and some say it's still a work in progress so who knows[/quote]i know that this is going to continue into the summer. if passes a team physical and shows a team his laser in a workout, i'll be happy to eat my words. until then, he is worthless as a starting qb

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;884360]Because RGIII is a run first QB right?[/QUOTE]

He runs a lot

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He does? He's a pocket passer with the ability to scramble and has Michael Vick type speed. Cam Newton runs a lot, Early Michael Vick runs a lot. RGIII doesn't play like either one of them really. Since when is being able to evade pressure a knock. We went through a similar thing with Brandon Banks. Too small, what if someone gets a direct hit on him he'll get killed, what if I rode a bike down the side of the Sears tower? What if a dog gave birth to a cat. At 6'2" 220+ lbs RGIII isn't 5'11" 190 like Vick. I don't see him running as much as you think although his ability to run can't be seen as a negative.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;884362]He runs a lot[/quote]

I guess that settles that. I thought his preposterously good passing stats and skills meant something, myself.

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[QUOTE=biffle;884365]I guess that settles that. I thought his preposterously good passing stats and skills meant something, myself.[/QUOTE]

LOL. Nope. He runs a lot.

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RG3 is a great athlete and I'd love to have him BUT not ahead of P.Manning.. And yes he can pass but he also played against very bad defenses and had an outstanding WR to throw to. Some seem to think he can make a CAM NEWTON impact from day 1 and I just don't see it sorry.

I went to the Baylor game last season and I was crazy impressed with him but again in the NFL you have to make all the throws and many of his are always just the deep ball

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Get peyton manning, trade down to get 2 solid linemen to protect him, get the next tom brady on the later rounds. win superbowl as early as next year and save Mike shanahans Job.