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[quote=jamf;1349249]I’m keeping receipts! I’m calling each and everyone of you from Jiffy Lube![/quote]

I won't be there, but you can reach me at:

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We've been watching football wrong our whole lives. It's all zoomed in where you can't even see what's really happening.

All-22 is easily the best way to actually see what everyone is doing.

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Not going to get this view at Jiffy Lube.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1349251]We've been watching football wrong our whole lives. It's all zoomed in where you can't even see what's really happening.

All-22 is easily the best way to actually see what everyone is doing.

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Not going to get this view at Jiffy Lube.[/quote]

Sam will! He’ll be under cars screaming “10W30 10W30 4 quarts hut hut”

You know he stinks when the best compliment Punch can give him is he wasn’t first round pick.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1349251]We've been watching football wrong our whole lives. It's all zoomed in where you can't even see what's really happening.

All-22 is easily the best way to actually see what everyone is doing.

[YT]4MNpETCnh94[/YT]

Not going to get this view at Jiffy Lube.[/QUOTE]


You give this guy more protection and he can eat teams alive

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[QUOTE=jamf;1349268]Sam will! He’ll be under cars screaming “10W30 10W30 4 quarts hut hut”

You know he stinks when the best compliment Punch can give him is he wasn’t first round pick.[/QUOTE]


But he should have been. And the best compliment i gave him
Was he isn’t a head case

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[quote=jamf;1349268]Sam will! He’ll be under cars screaming “10W30 10W30 4 quarts hut hut”

You know he stinks when the best compliment Punch can give him is he wasn’t first round pick.[/quote]
"Oil change, oil change" for audibles?

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

After 7 weeks , Howell has been avg at best.

Today he was up and down like most of the season. The OL sucks but he also holds on to the ball too long and has admitted that.

The INT today was bad and the dropped INT was even worse, you scramble and just throw it up in the air? As of right now I’d put QB on the list tbh


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1349763]After 7 weeks , Howell has been avg at best.

Today he was up and down like most of the season. The OL sucks but he also holds on to the ball too long and has admitted that.

The INT today was bad and the dropped INT was even worse, you scramble and just throw it up in the air? As of right now I’d put QB on the list tbh


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Honestly, does he have a running game and bottom 5 Oline in the league?

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Watch hurts and tau tonight ; Sam Howell is 100% not their level

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[quote=mredskins;1349766]Watch hurts and tau tonight ; Sam Howell is 100% not their level[/quote]

Yet, he made a comeback in Philly and was robbed by the officials on Terry’s catch. Sure

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[quote=Chico23231;1349765]Honestly, does he have a running game and bottom 5 Oline in the league?[/quote]

In this random article we are ranked 19th on the o line

[url]https://www.ftnfantasy.com/articles/FTN/50012/nfl-offensive-line-rankings[/url]
The offensive issues are EB Sam and oline that order

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1349766]Watch hurts and tau tonight ; Sam Howell is 100% not their level[/QUOTE]


Not many are but howells problem is he makes some Horrible decisions, just throwing the ball up is not a rookie mistake that’s just being wreck-less with the ball.

I agree that he has no real run game (Brob and AG have no line either tho)

I think as the year goes on we will find that SH is a solid NFL QB but not a franchise guy


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1349769]Not many are but howells problem is he makes some Horrible decisions, just throwing the ball up is not a rookie mistake that’s just being wreck-less with the ball.

I agree that he has no real run game (Brob and AG have no line either tho)

I think as the year goes on we will find that SH is a solid NFL QB but not a franchise guy


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I 100% agree

The worst thing Sam can do to us is flash like he is something and we don’t pursue a QB next season

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[B][I]Ron Rivera needs to bench Sam Howell for Jacoby Brissett if he wants to keep his job[/I][/B]

The Commanders have lost four of their past five games to drop to 3-4 on the season after Sunday's loss to the injury-shredded Giants. Howell, the second-year quarterback out of North Carolina, has been Washington's starter since the beginning of the season and has shown some flashes of what he can do, but he has also been incredibly reckless.

He was sacked six times Sunday, which sounds like a lot unless you've been paying attention to Howell's season. He has been sacked at least four times in each of the Commanders' seven games and a total of 40 times so far this year. Since sacks became an official stat in 1963, the only quarterback who has been sacked more times in the first seven games of a season is David Carr, who was sacked 43 times in the first seven games of his 2002 season. And Howell has also thrown seven interceptions and fumbled once.

Verdict: NOT AN OVERREACTION

I don't see how the Commanders can keep running Howell out there if he's going to keep putting himself and the ball in harm's way this often. I mean, he was sacked six times on Sunday by the Giants. New York had a total of five sacks all season prior to Sunday's game. Howell is on pace to be sacked 97 times this season. The all-time record is 76 by ... yeah, David Carr in 2002. That was a rough year. But Howell is on pace to break that record this season in Week 15, and only because Washington has a bye in Week 14. There's no way to sustain an offense when your quarterback is constantly moving the chains backward instead of forward.

The Commanders are under new ownership, which generally calls a coach's job into some level of question. There is obviously time for them to salvage their season. Brissett has been a competent-to-good starting quarterback in the NFL, finishing eighth in QBR last season with Cleveland (62.0), and could at least calm things down a bit while Howell works in a backup role on the parts of his game that need ironing out.

It might be a good idea to make this move before it's too late.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/38718455/nfl-week-7-overreactions-surprises-ravens-bagent-mahomes-kelce#wsh[/url]

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

I can't get on board with benching Howell for Brissett. I could get on board with showing EB the door though, and letting Barney Rubble call the offense.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1349812]I can't get on board with benching Howell for Brissett. I could get on board with showing EB the door though, and letting Barney Rubble call the offense.[/quote]

i agree but i am not sure EB is all that bad

I think we have something in Sam and EB what exactly we have i am unsure because the parts around them are so broken

It is equal to asking Richard Petty to race the Daytona 500 with a honda civic; he was a amazing driver but i mean in a civic what is he going to do

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1349812]I can't get on board with benching Howell for Brissett. I could get on board with showing EB the door though, and letting Barney Rubble call the offense.[/quote]


I'm so over EB. I'd show his ass the door.

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I don't see them benching SH unless he has another 4 INT Game this week

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Yesterday was the 1st game where I was more pessimistic about Howell than optimistic.

He didn't look good. But he's young, and has a bad playcaller and terrible line, so he's behind the 8 ball even on his best days.

I still think he has the talent to be a solid starter in this league. But if we finish with a top 10 pick, I wouldn't blame the new GM for drafting their guy at QB. Then we would have a great backup for at least 2 more seasons at a discount rate, or possibly trade him for a top half of the draft pick.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1349833]Yesterday was the 1st game where I was more pessimistic about Howell than optimistic.

He didn't look good. But he's young, and has a bad playcaller and terrible line, so he's behind the 8 ball even on his best days.

I still think he has the talent to be a solid starter in this league. But if we finish with a top 10 pick, I wouldn't blame the new GM for drafting their guy at QB. Then we would have a great backup for at least 2 more seasons at a discount rate, or possibly trade him for a top half of the draft pick.[/quote]

Mine was the Bills game.. After that day I kinda figured he was a true 5th RD pick

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[quote=mredskins;1349826]i agree but i am not sure EB is all that bad

I think we have something in Sam and EB what exactly we have i am unsure because the parts around them are so broken

It is equal to asking Richard Petty to race the Daytona 500 with a honda civic; he was a amazing driver but i mean in a civic what is he going to do[/quote]

EB is bad. I don't know how you could justify rating him any higher than just flat out bad. He's 100% predictable, and hasn't made one adjustment all year.

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When you have no running game and shitty play calling, then you are not helping your QB and put it all on him. Last year with BRob coming back from being shot our running game was way better than this year. Our run blocking is atrocious, if BRob gains 5 yards EB will go for a pass, run the fucking ball and make it manageable. Shuffle the OL and replace Gates, Wylie and Leno.

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I think yesterday was the first game where the pressure got to Howell mentally. In previous games, despite the sacks he was still throwing with great accuracy. Maybe its cumulative, high sack rates have ruined many a good young QB.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1349866]I think yesterday was the first game where the pressure got to Howell mentally. In previous games, despite the sacks he was still throwing with great accuracy. Maybe its cumulative, high sack rates have ruined many a good young QB.[/quote]

I sure as hell would not want to get hit by 300+ lb men over and over and over and over and over and over.

The line should be absolutely embarrassed of themselves. Getting their QB butchered.

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Beyond absolutely deteriorating as the season progresses, I don't know how we can truly tell how good or bad he is with this coaching staff (and I include EB at this point). Its like gauging how good a 100M sprinter is while running with resistance bands around their legs. Maybe he's just another serviceable starter, but maybe he's more and just needs the right people around him. Seems writing him off already, especially with this staff and OL is way premature.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1349887]Beyond absolutely deteriorating as the season progresses, I don't know how we can truly tell how good or bad he is with this coaching staff (and I include EB at this point). Its like gauging how good a 100M sprinter is while running with resistance bands around their legs. Maybe he's just another serviceable starter, but maybe he's more and just needs the right people around him. Seems writing him off already, especially with this staff and OL is way premature.[/quote]

I just hope they don't not hire a GM/HC unless they will sign-off on keeping Howell as the starter. I like Howell, but I want the GM/HC to bring in their own QB if they aren't sold on Howell. Then just trust that they will get it right. I still keep Howell as a back-up, unless someone offered a 3rd or higher. Possibly even a 2nd or higher, if he looks more like he did against Philly and less like NYG as the season progresses.

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Howell looks good on sprint outs and when he isn't getting pounded. Also, like the whole team, he looks better in the 2nd half and unprepared in the first, that is coaching.

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EB definitely needs to get him out of the pocket more, use more designed QB runs here and there (he's getting hit anyway), more max protection, less shotgun runs up the middle, how bout some WR sweeps, when they have 9 defenders on the line of scrimmage...mix it up damnit!

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After 7 weeks Howell is 24th in Passing grade in the NFL.. Not very good

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1349941]After 7 weeks Howell is 24th in Passing grade in the NFL.. Not very good[/quote]

If he starts out slow this week I'd put in Jacoby. Had the Giants caught that walk in INT Ron should have sat him. That was an inexcusable pass.

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Show me a QB with no running game and porous OL that is highly ranked. Brissett is too slow and would be worse.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1349957]Show me a QB with no running game and porous OL that is highly ranked. Brissett is too slow and would be worse.[/quote]

Yes

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1349957]Show me a QB with no running game and porous OL that is highly ranked. Brissett is too slow and would be worse.[/quote]

only 1 way to find out . . . Brissett has a quick release. If they are having a tough time evaluating any part of the o-line and believe too much is on Howell . . . then switch and see what it looks like Brissett at the helm. At some point you have to find out how much is on Howell. I know in that last game the first 2 sacks were 100% on Howell. Then it looked like the line gave up trying. Then once they pulled Gates it looked better. Any word on possible shuffling of the o-line?

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I'd rather do what some others have suggested and shake up the offensive line. Paul, Stromberg (or Larsen), Lucas instead of Charles, Gates, Wiley.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1349985]I'd rather do what some others have suggested and shake up the offense of line. Paul, Stromberg(or Larsen), Lucas instead of Charles, Gates, Wiley.[/quote]

That seems like the most obvious plan, but I don't think Ron and EB can comprehend that. Ron is going to go down insisting he made the right decisions and has the right players, and all his "culture" talk about playing the best players is all bullshit.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1349985]I'd rather do what some others have suggested and shake up the offensive line. Paul, Stromberg (or Larsen), Lucas instead of Charles, Gates, Wiley.[/quote]

Yep, at least try it. In Ron eyes it would having to admit he screwed up with Gates and Wiley. Stromberg or Paul are in for Charles. Gates should be next, he sucks and his tough guy antics create stupid penalties.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1349941]After 7 weeks Howell is 24th in Passing grade in the NFL.. Not very good[/quote]

Check out some of the other young QBs who were drafted higher and are now ranked lower.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1349993]Check out some of the other young QBs who were drafted higher and are now ranked lower.[/quote]

And have a better OL.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1349966]only 1 way to find out . . . Brissett has a quick release. If they are having a tough time evaluating any part of the o-line and believe too much is on Howell . . . then switch and see what it looks like Brissett at the helm. At some point you have to find out how much is on Howell. I know in that last game the first 2 sacks were 100% on Howell. Then it looked like the line gave up trying. Then once they pulled Gates it looked better. Any word on possible shuffling of the o-line?[/quote]

We're going down this season no matter who plays QB. I grant you that Brissett might be the answer to the question "How can we win a few more games?" but that is about it. Also, as things are going right now, Howell is due for a serious injury on the field, so we could at least preserve Sam's health by starting Brissett.

Right now, most sites that I read list Brissett as the third ranked Free Agent QB for 2024. Why not trade him and get a draft pick or two?

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Putting in Brissett now doesn't mean you're giving up on Howell forever. But like others have pointed out, this OL might be the worst in pro football, and Howell is getting brutalized every game. 40 sacks in seven games. He's on pace to shatter the NFL record of 76 sacks, suffered by David Carr in 2002. At some point, probably right now, they are running the risk of ruining his career by continuing to keep him in there.

I say shut down Howell for the rest of the season and see if anything is different for Brissett. I doubt it will be, but you are saving your potential franchise QB from injury and killing his confidence..