Re: Haskins released
 

Darnold has enough of a resume to see that he's nothing special. Less than 60% completions, takes a lot of sacks, seems to play with his hair on fire with little pocket presence a lot of the time. That's not from me that's from a Jets fan buddy of mine.

Re: Haskins released
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1270999][URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/12/28/22204021/peter-schrager-says-rivera-wanted-to-cut-haskins-before-the-carolina-game-but-was-talked-out-of-it"]Schrager reports Rivera wanted to cut Haskins last week[/URL], but was talked out of it by multiple people inside the org, including Doug Williams. Doug says it's "news to me" and [URL="https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/exclusive-sources-detail-facts-of-rivera-doug-williams-involvement-in-washington-football-team-release-of-qb-dwayne-haskins"]SI's sources contradict the report.[/URL] (But it's not like Doug was going to say "yeah definitely I talked him out of it last week and because of me you witnessed Sunday's fiasco!")

Anyway, I am not the only one seeing Snyder's ghost around this mess... which makes me even more glad Haskins was finally cut ![/quote]

Schrager reports... mmmmk. Said who? He didn't name a damn person - who is he tied to in this organization that he could get that nugget? Nobody...

I'm not buying it. RR did what he had to do, which was put the QB in on Sunday that he thought gave the team the best chance to win the division - period. 31 other coaches in the league would have likely done the same thing in that impossible position. Now that Sunday happened, it's clear that DH doesn't offer anymore than Heinicke, and after two years invested, the decision became much easier.

Man, people just like drumming up shit about this organization - whether it's there or not. Nope, not buying that at all.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1271014]Schrager reports... mmmmk. Said who? [B]He didn't name a damn person - who is he tied to in this organization that he could get that nugget? Nobody...[/B]

I'm not buying it. RR did what he had to do, which was put the QB in on Sunday that he thought gave the team the best chance to win the division - period. 31 other coaches in the league would have likely done the same thing in that impossible position. Now that Sunday happened, it's clear that DH doesn't offer anymore than Heinicke, and after two years invested, the decision became much easier.

Man, people just like drumming up shit about this organization - whether it's there or not. Nope, not buying that at all.[/quote]

Fair enough. And I sure hope you're right. I just think it's a legit thing to fear. An anyway, Ron got to cut him this week, and it's all that matter I guess.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1271024]Fair enough. And I sure hope you're right. I just think it's a legit thing to fear. An anyway, Ron got to cut him this week, and it's all that matter I guess.[/quote]

Unfortunately this sort of thing has been so common over the past 20+ years that people just come to expect it with this organization - and don't question it.

I really think with RR here that stuff is over. If not, I don't expect him to hang around too long.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270872]I'm cool with that, Matt Ryan would be a great 2 year fit[/quote]

Matt Ryan is not a FA and if traded for would cost us high draft pics for a 2 to 3 year player . . . maybe if the price was right as i like Matt Ryan a lot . . . but not at too high a cost to handcuff us for too long. Does Julio Jones come with him?

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This guy is a sleeper and just might slip into the 1st round, he’s a junior not sophomore. From everything I’ve read he has the potential to be better than Trask and Jones. You can watch him Friday on the Peach Bowl. You judge.

[url]https://youtu.be/0HxQalVBZOk[/url]

Re: Haskins released
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1270999][URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/12/28/22204021/peter-schrager-says-rivera-wanted-to-cut-haskins-before-the-carolina-game-but-was-talked-out-of-it"]Schrager reports Rivera wanted to cut Haskins last week[/URL], but was talked out of it by multiple people inside the org, including Doug Williams. Doug says it's "news to me" and [URL="https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/exclusive-sources-detail-facts-of-rivera-doug-williams-involvement-in-washington-football-team-release-of-qb-dwayne-haskins"]SI's sources contradict the report.[/URL] (But it's not like Doug was going to say "yeah definitely I talked him out of it last week and because of me you witnessed Sunday's fiasco!")

Anyway, I am not the only one seeing Snyder's ghost around this mess... which makes me even more glad Haskins was finally cut ![/quote]

If Snyder was truly involved, Haskins would still be on the team. I don't buy this at all. Also Snyder has other issues that are keeping him preoccupied.

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[quote]This guy is a sleeper and just might slip into the 1st round, he’s a junior not sophomore. From everything I’ve read he has the potential to be better than Trask and Jones. You can watch him Friday on the Peach Bowl. You judge.
[URL]https://youtu.be/0HxQalVBZOk[/URL]
[/quote]

I like him. I'll be watching the Peach Bowl.

I don't know if he would come in and play right away, but he is definitely an intriguing prospect that could be had either by trading back into the end of the 1st round [COLOR=#202124]à la [/COLOR]M. Sweat, or perhaps even with their 2nd round pick.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1271034]I like him. I'll be watching the Peach Bowl.

I don't know if he would come in and play right away, but he is definitely an intriguing prospect that could be had either by trading back into the end of the 1st round [COLOR=#202124]à la [/COLOR]M. Sweat, or perhaps even with their 2nd round pick.[/quote]

I say sign CJ Beathard as a 1 year stop gap, draft Ridder and let him sit and learn.

Re: Haskins released
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1271026]Unfortunately this sort of thing has been so common over the past 20+ years that people just come to expect it with this organization - and don't question it.

I really think with RR here that stuff is over. If not, I don't expect him to hang around too long.[/quote]

If you want to talk culture change - did you hear one peep, rumor, innuendo, or shaming statement toward Haskins from "sources" over this past season. The closest we come is a note from Schrager (who??) that says RR wanted to cut Haskins. Hell who didn't want to cut him. Even in Schrager's story he says that they talked about reasons and Rivera chose to keep him. So, even from this attempt at stirring drama, they reinforce that the fact that Rivera a) is in charge b) listens to differing opinions and can reflect versus dictate.

This is the next new era in the history of this team and maybe it leads back to respectability then excellence. GO TEAM

Re: Haskins released
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1271040]If you want to talk culture change - did you hear one peep, rumor, innuendo, or shaming statement toward Haskins from "sources" over this past season. The closest we come is a note from Schrager (who??) that says RR wanted to cut Haskins. Hell who didn't want to cut him. Even in Schrager's story he says that they talked about reasons and Rivera chose to keep him. So, even from this attempt at stirring drama, they reinforce that the fact that Rivera a) is in charge b) listens to differing opinions and can reflect versus dictate.

This is the next new era in the history of this team and maybe it leads back to respectability then excellence. GO TEAM[/quote]

Agree with your overall point. But the leaks about Haskins' work ethic right after his benching were a bad reminiscence of the past, and probably hurt his potential trade value after a quite good Ravens game IIRC.

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Every 4-5 years we start talking about culture change and Snyder finally stepping away.
IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!
Never has and never will!
Snyder enjoys being involved more than winning.

This will be Snyder on draft day making our first and second round picks.
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[quote=SunnySide;1270908]My 2 thoughts for why Fitzpatrick would not be a good fit is that he isnt a quick read/throw guy and he takes chances. With our D, we dont need to press press press on offense as its not a race to the first one to 30 points wins. We can win comfortably and consistently 24-13 vs 37-27. We value possessions, play strong D and we win.

Then I looked up his stats. Fitzpatrick is second in the league in time from snap to throw at 2.2 seconds, behind Big Bens 2.1.
[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/passing_advanced.htm[/url]

I was a "no to fitz" person 5 mins ago and am now putting his name in the hat with the 15 other options we have.

Interesting plan C if we dont draft a 1st rounder or get a Stafford type guy.[/quote]

so the same reason stafford wouldn't be a good fit?! . . . at least fitzpatrick would be cheaper in $$$ and wouldn't cost a pick like stafford would (multiple)

Re: Haskins released
 

[quote=jamf;1271055]Every 4-5 years we start talking about culture change and Snyder finally stepping away.
IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!
Never has and never will!
Snyder enjoys being involved more than winning.

This will be Snyder on draft day making our first and second round picks.
[IMG]https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LankyUnrealisticBlackrussianterrier-size_restricted.gif[/IMG][/quote]

Jamf stop killing my hope!

Re: Haskins released
 

Some names are floating around-Trabinski[maybe?]Darnold[maybe?]we need a young vet[five year or less]for the long haul...the kid from Philly[can he stay healthy?]word on the street says that Carolina might want Haskins[good luck with that]but that's their problem.