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[quote=punch it in;1193023]Yet im seemingly the only one on this board who would consider Vea anything more than a consolation prize at 13. [emoji849][/quote]

Because he can't penetrate. Allen and Ioannidis would be your nickel package DTs in pass rush situations.

He would impact the run game for sure but that's not enough if I could get James, Fitzpatrick, Roquan Smith or Edmunds instead.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1193026]Because he can't penetrate. Allen and Ioannidis would be your nickel package DTs in pass rush situations.



He would impact the run game for sure but that's not enough if I could get James, Fitzpatrick, Roquan Smith or Edmunds instead.[/QUOTE]



He cannot penetrate if he gets double teamed. But others will in that case. Tomsula will turn this guy into a three down player in no time. He has a quick first step and the raw tools are all there. Just needs to be coached up. Until that happens ill take third and long all Sunday every Sunday. When it does happen he and Allen will anchor a ferocious front 7. Like I said he is going to be the pick unless someone nabs him first. Guys his size with his athleticism just dont come around often. Let our coaches work on his pass rushing and enjoy the show.

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Remember, Vea is not the only run stopper available.

If you want to fill the NT position with a bona fide run stopper, and you acknowledge that you're going to use Allen and Ioannidis in the nickel pass rush (why wouldn't you, they were very effective last year), then you should think about these guys in the middle rounds:

Derrick Nnadi - Florida State 6'1" 317
Nathan Shepherd - Fort Mays State (D2) 6'4" 315
BJ Hill - NC State 6'3" 311
Harrison Phillips - Stanford 6'3" 307
Tim Settle - VA Tech 6'3" 329

Run stoppers in the middle of the line are very important, but not as impactful to a team overall as a stud MLB with range like Edmunds or Smith, and not nearly as impactful as rangey safeties who can flex down to cover the slot (see: Collins, Landon).

We can help our run defense without Vita Vea. There are more rounds in this draft than the 1st.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1193025] I really really wished we have gotten Hankins.[/QUOTE]



We still can. I think if we don’t get a NT in rounds 1 or 2, we’ll sign Hankins.


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Re: With the 13th Pick the Washington Redskins select...
 

[quote=punch it in;1193029]He cannot penetrate if he gets double teamed. But others will in that case. Tomsula will turn this guy into a three down player in no time. He has a quick first step and the raw tools are all there. Just needs to be coached up. Until that happens ill take third and long all Sunday every Sunday. When it does happen he and Allen will anchor a ferocious front 7. Like I said he is going to be the pick unless someone nabs him first. Guys his size with his athleticism just dont come around often. Let our coaches work on his pass rushing and enjoy the show.[/quote]

Vehemently disagree that he has a quick first step, that just does not show up on tape. He is often among the last out of his stance. He performed at Washington by straight up tossing dudes aside, which has value. But he has shown nothing in college leading me to believe he has a quick first step.

Could Tomsula coach him up? Sure. But so could Torrian Gray with Minkah or Derwin James.

Re: With the 13th Pick the Washington Redskins select...
 

[quote=Schneed10;1193026]Because he can't penetrate. Allen and Ioannidis would be your nickel package DTs in pass rush situations.

He would impact the run game for sure but that's not enough if I could get James, Fitzpatrick, Roquan Smith or Edmunds instead.[/quote]

Yes which is why I hope we trade back and take Hurst who can do BOTH penetrate and stuff the run, his health issue has been cleared but it has caused his stock to fall.

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Plenty of options on the DL but watch people freak the F out if we don’t go that way tonight and declare the draft is already the worst ever

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[quote=MTK;1193034]Plenty of options on the DL but watch people freak the F out if we don’t go that way tonight and declare the draft is already the worst ever[/quote]

I think we all have our hopes high for tonight/this weekend.

BA can draft that is one thing you can't take away from him

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I’ll just say keep in mind Ioannidis was a 5th rounder

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1193032]Vehemently disagree that he has a quick first step, that just does not show up on tape. He is often among the last out of his stance. He performed at Washington by straight up tossing dudes aside, which has value. But he has shown nothing in college leading me to believe he has a quick first step.



Could Tomsula coach him up? Sure. But so could Torrian Gray with Minkah or Derwin James.[/QUOTE]



Everything i read about this guy says he is freaky fast for 350. 5.10 40. A ton of comparisons to Haloti Ngata only more athletic. Ability to actually line up at different spots along the line. I admittedly have not watched Cooleys breakdown but my God he must have a different opinion of the skill sets this guy has than every other talking head in the business.
Anyway Im stoked for the draft and im going to stop trying to sell you guys on Vea now - finish work - buy something really delicious from the micro brew cooler - and watch us knock the first two rounds out of the park! HTTR!
Still praying that somehow we stick at 13 and trade way back into the second to pick up a third. If we have to throw in a fourth rounder in 19 im fine with that. [emoji106]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1193034]Plenty of options on the DL but watch people freak the F out if we don’t go that way tonight and declare the draft is already the worst ever[/QUOTE]



I wont freak out as long as we dont go that way because Mikah or someone is there. That being said I just think that unless u have that BIG TIME presence in the middle (or heart of) your defense than nothing else will work to its full potential. Every year i watch this team get beat up in the trenches and every year i say next year we will address that shit. Without a beating heart the limbs are useless no matter how sculpted they are.

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[quote=Chico23231;1193025]We shouldn’t reach, but an entire offseason and NOT get NT again is completely and utterly incompetentence by the front office. It’s not a coincidence that we haven’t had a viable NT these 3 years and have averaged 4.5 ypc against, worst inthe league. I really really wished we have gotten Hankins.[/quote]

Depending on the draft we definitely could still get Hankins, but it would have been nice to have him up front. That said, my biggest fear with this FO is that they continue to ignore the glaring need at NT.

Part of my hope that the Giants take Barkley revolves around forcing our FO to take run defense more serious. :(

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[quote=MTK;1193034]Plenty of options on the DL but watch people freak the F out if we don’t go that way tonight and declare the draft is already the worst ever[/quote]

The problem is every year there are plenty of options at DL, but this FO devalues the position likely because it's a 2 down player.
If we get a clear top 10 guy because 4-6 qb's go before us, then I will be happy.
If we trade down, pick up a 3rd and still get a clear upgrade at NT, I will be happy.
If we trade down and get a strong RB, Guard combo, and pick up Hankins after the draft, I likely will be happy,

But if we trade down, pick up squat for the middle of the DL and then sign more 2nd tier guys like last year, I will not be happy.

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[quote=Schneed10;1193018]Horrible idea award goes to itvnetop[/quote]

I promised myself I wouldn't cry.

With the 13th Pick the Washington Redskins select...
 

[QUOTE=itvnetop;1193047]I promised myself I wouldn't cry.[/QUOTE]



Funniest post of the thread award also goes to iventop!
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