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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;421168]Obviously the NFL is a business and players need to look out for their best interest; but threatening to sit out 2008 to force a trade, trashing the Bengals organization in multiple interviews, trashing the Cincy media, pushing reporters, on top of the whole "look at me" celebrations is what I'm referring to.

I could get past the celebration thing if he's putting up TDs for the Skins, but the guy is in a 4-year contract and pretty well paid. Things are a little bumpy up in Cincy and he's ready to bail. What happens if JC struggles or Zorn makes a few mistakes.....not enough upside from Chad for the money and potential headaches for the Skins IMO.

[URL="http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/02/07/chad-johnson-shoves-member-of-the-nfl-media-relations/"]Chad Johnson Shoves Member of the NFL's Media Relations Department - FanHouse - AOL Sports Blog[/URL][/QUOTE]

For what it's worth, colleagues I spoke to that were there say that the "shove" was greatly exaggerated. It was more like a brush off, and in fact the league is privately reprimanded the media relations employee because he was the one that was excessively abrasive with CJ.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;421172]I tend to disagree with note 2)

to the contrary if you look at the production of T. J. Houshmandzadeh this past season, you will see he has more yards and TD's than CJ.

But I credit that as a direct reflection of CJ's abilities. With most teams shifting coverges to Johnsons side and doubling him, it created more opportunities for Houshmandzadeh to excel.

That is what a WR of Johnsons abilities brings to the table. He does not have to get 25 TD's and 1500 yds per year to contribute. His mere presence on the field forces defenses to account for him at all times, thereby creating opportunities for his team mates.

Just think of the possibilities of Moss and Johnson on the field. Who do you double team? Pick your poison is all I can say.

Throw ARE in the slot and you have provided Campbell with several legitimate targets. Did I mention Cooley?[/quote]

There's no denying what CJ would bring to the table and he would certainly make the entire offense better by just being in the lineup.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;421182]There's no denying what CJ would bring to the table and he would certainly make the entire offense better by just being in the lineup.[/QUOTE]

Thank you that is what I've been saying

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[quote=sandtrapjack;421172]to the contrary if you look at the production of T. J. Houshmandzadeh this past season, you will see he has more yards and TD's than CJ.

But I credit that as a direct reflection of CJ's abilities. With most teams shifting coverges to Johnsons side and doubling him, it created more opportunities for Houshmandzadeh to excel.

That is what a WR of Johnsons abilities brings to the table. He does not have to get 25 TD's and 1500 yds per year to contribute. His mere presence on the field forces defenses to account for him at all times, thereby creating opportunities for his team mates.

Just think of the possibilities of Moss and Johnson on the field. Who do you double team? Pick your poison is all I can say.

Throw ARE in the slot and you have provided Campbell with several legitimate targets. Did I mention Cooley?[/quote]
I understand a true # 1 will cause the defense to shift, but if you look at the production of the true #1s, they are for the most part consistent. Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne (this year with Harrison out), Torry Holt, Terrell Owens. It also cuts both ways, Houz is no mystery as a Pro Bowl caliber receiver. He is not the deep threat that CJ is, but a very solid receiver that the defense still must account for, this takes away the ability for teams to double CJ all game and should open up things for him.

I'm not saying CJ is a bad player, he is very good, but the cost/benefit for the Skins at this point in time is not good IMO.

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A guy like Chad Johnson is happy when he's winning, unhappy when he's losing. And when a guy like Chad Johnson is unhappy, everyone is unhappy. Those who support CJ coming to the Skins need to be prepared for the ramifications of such a decision if and when things do not go well. One losing season and CJ will wreak havoc, and what reason do we have to believe that with CJ we will suddenly become contenders? It hasn't worked in the past with our huge acquisitions, and we're currently a team in flux, what with a new coaching staff and all. Maybe things will work out, maybe the depth we have been accumulating will pay off, and signing a guy like CJ will be what finally takes us to that next level. But are you prepared for all the garbage that CJ will heap upon this team in the event that we do not become contenders? That is the question you have to ask.

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This is absurd. If what the WP is reporting is true, that we'd have to give up a 1st and 3rd, or two 2nd rounders to get him it is absolutely not worth it. Dan Snyder, if you make this move you truely have learned NOTHING from your past mistakes.

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[QUOTE=Coff;421188]A guy like Chad Johnson is happy when he's winning, unhappy when he's losing. And when a guy like Chad Johnson is unhappy, everyone is unhappy. Those who support CJ coming to the Skins need to be prepared for the ramifications of such a decision if and when things do not go well. One losing season and CJ will wreak havoc, and what reason do we have to believe that with CJ we will suddenly become contenders? It hasn't worked in the past with our huge acquisitions, and we're currently a team in flux, what with a new coaching staff and all. Maybe things will work out, maybe the depth we have been accumulating will pay off, and signing a guy like CJ will be what finally takes us to that next level. But are you prepared for all the garbage that CJ will heap upon this team in the event that we do not become contenders? That is the question you have to ask.[/QUOTE]

I disagree if you look at our last ten year history based on that lonely we aren't a winning franchise & CJ knows that. He likes our potential as a team plus it was mentioned he was interested in us & Miami trust me he wants to win but he wouldn't pitch that big of a fit if we lost games.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;421193]I disagree if you look at our last ten year history based on that lonely we aren't a winning franchise & CJ knows that. He likes our potential as a team plus it was mentioned he was interested in us & Miami trust me he wants to win but he wouldn't pitch that big of a fit if we lost games.[/quote]
It will be a different story once the signing bonus Rosenhaus negotiates with Snyder is cashed. I would take anything that comes out of CJ's mouth at this point with a "shaker" of salt. Anything he says about "interest in a certain team" is coming from Rosenhaus and is designed to get him out of Cincy.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;421193]I disagree if you look at our last ten year history based on that lonely we aren't a winning franchise & CJ knows that. He likes our potential as a team plus it was mentioned he was interested in us & Miami trust me he wants to win but he wouldn't pitch that big of a fit if we lost games.[/quote]

Ocho Cinco is interested in one thing........and that is the monster contracts that Dan Snyder historically pays out.

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you guys realize the bengals want either 1st and 3rd or 2 2nds. no way im willing to give that up for the new TO

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Chad Johnson is a great talent and would upgrade the offense but at what cost. I don't think it's worth it to give up two draft picks and a hefty salary for one player. That's why the Redskins are in salary cap hell now. At some point in time, the organization has to be fiscally responsible and stop dishing out crazy contracts to free agents. Their success rate for free agents is no better than the draft. The draft is a lot less expensive. The Redskins need to concentrate on the draft and stop going after the overpriced free agents.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;421196]It will be a different story once the signing bonus Rosenhaus negotiates with Snyder is cashed. I would take anything that comes out of CJ's mouth at this point with a "shaker" of salt. Anything he says about "interest in a certain team" is coming from Rosenhaus and is designed to get him out of Cincy.[/QUOTE]

True I agree about Rosenhaus, but we are not the Colts, Pats, Eagles, Seahawks teams that pretty much make the playoffs every year we want to but we aren't a winning team like that and he knows that.

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[QUOTE=bigm29;421198]you guys realize the bengals want either 1st and 3rd or 2 2nds. no way im willing to give that up for the new TO[/QUOTE]

I believe that players would be involved in this b/c it is too steep of a deal Snyder has not denied it so I think something will happen with this.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;421199]Chad Johnson is a great talent and would upgrade the offense but at what cost. I don't think it's worth it to give up two draft picks and a hefty salary for one player. That's why the Redskins are in salary cap hell now. At some point in time, the organization has to be fiscally responsible and stop dishing out crazy contracts to free agents. Their success rate for free agents is no better than the draft. The draft is a lot less expensive. [B]The Redskins need to concentrate on the draft and stop going after the overpriced free agents[/B].[/quote]

Hail - stop saying things like this - you are making too much sense!

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[quote=sandtrapjack;421197]Ocho Cinco is interested in one thing........and that is the monster contracts that Dan Snyder historically pays out.[/quote]

I agree. I'm really, REALLY tired of his antics. I used to think his shenanigans were cheeky and fun. It's become clear that when someone catches more TDs than he does (Housh), and the team struggles, the real number 85 emerges. Evil shenanigans. Crybaby bullshit. I definitely want to add a big WR, but if we piss away our draft for a 30 year old me first attention hog... I'll put my head through a wall to say the least. Just say no to ocho stinko.