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[quote=Brody81;1165349]Just incase you want to throw up: Daniel Snyder record as owner: 18 years 125 wins 162 loses.. With this guy anything is [B]passable[/B].


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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1165373]I'm trying not to overreact to everything that is going on (or not going on), but I can't help but think that next year we will be without a decent QB again, will have lost our two best receivers, will have a head coach (a good one IMHO) in his last year of a contract with no sign of an extension, McC The Savior out, a poor excuse for a defense still...how attractive is that situation?

If the plan is to never improve, to always have turmoil in the front office, and to keep the revolving door spinning, they are doing a great job and have for a long time. I just don't know how many more years I can support it...[/quote]

Right there with you. Yeah it's all rumors at this point, but signs don't look good. McC, even with his possible "faults" is still the best decision we've made as a franchise for as long as I've been a fan, which is going on 16 years now. In between the McC rumors and the Kirk rumors I've had enough rumors for one offseason.

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Can't wait for this process to be over 1 way or another. Nothing else is moving forward until this is resolved.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1165386]Can't wait for this process to be over 1 way or another. Nothing else is moving forward until this is resolved.[/quote]

Me too, I'm over it. If Kirk wants to be here then he will sign a Long deal, if not and he is tagged, we might as well trade him if possible. He will walk after next season otherwise. I saw the same shit from KD last summer, Kirk wont be a Redskin much longer, call me negative nancy but I just have that gut feeling.

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Well, we have about one more week to speculate. It's funny the emotions that we go through in situations like this. The initial thoughts, "No way this team won't give Cousins a long term deal." To, "Cousins is staying here whether it be through the tag or a long term deal!" Next, "I don't want to give up Cousins, but if we get two first round picks, maybe it could be for the best." And then finally, "At this point, I'm tired of hearing about it. Go or stay. I don't care anymore!"

One thing I will say fellas, the next few weeks will be quite interesting.

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[quote=metalskins;1165426]Well, we have about one more week to speculate. It's funny the emotions that we go through in situations like this. The initial thoughts, "No way this team won't give Cousins a long term deal." To, "Cousins is staying here whether it be through the tag or a long term deal!" Next, "I don't want to give up Cousins, but if we get two first round picks, maybe it could be for the best." And then finally, "At this point, I'm tired of hearing about it. Go or stay. I don't care anymore!"

One thing I will say fellas, the next few weeks will be quite interesting.[/quote]

Wouldn't say I'm at your final step yet... I'm fed up with the waiting, the rumors, the speculations, the hesitations... But I'd still consider letting KC walk to be a devastating mistake for the foreseeable future of this franchise.

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Still the only thing that makes sense if we have turned the corner to being a football first franchise is a longterm deal. If that's what it's going to be, it ought to be done this week. I know deadlines make deals, but at this point you want to have his contract settled so you go into FA with a plan unhindered by speculation. We also have other contracts we ought to get done before the start of FA as well.

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Eight more days....

Deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1165430]Eight more days....

Deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.[/quote]

If I understood it correctly, the speculations won't end in 8 days: they'll probably tag him... and then we'll have to wait and see if they manage to sign a long term deal, or trade him, or if he just plays under the tag...

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1165433]If I understood it correctly, the speculations won't end in 8 days: they'll probably tag him... and then we'll have to wait and see if they manage to sign a long term deal, or trade him, or if he just plays under the tag...[/quote]

If they tag him, you might as well figure he's gone, this year or next it won't matter. If they can't in their mind justify a long term deal off his body of work before Feb 28th, nothing will change between now and July.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165440]If they tag him, you might as well figure he's gone, this year or next it won't matter. If they can't in their mind justify a long term deal off his body of work before Feb 28th, nothing will change between now and July.[/quote]

I want to ask what is probably the dumbest question in the world, but I am really unfamiliar with the tags and how they work, so let me ask you:

If the Redskins still aren't sure about whether or not to tag him / trade him / release him, etc., by March 1, does that mean that Cousins fully enters into FA and then at that point could be signed by any team for any amount that they offer him?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165440]If they tag him, you might as well figure he's gone, this year or next it won't matter. If they can't in their mind justify a long term deal off his body of work before Feb 28th, nothing will change between now and July.[/quote]

I agree to a certain extent.

How sure are we that this is not happening: they want him here long term, but are not sure they want to pay the price he's asking, they think tagging him will buy them some time to negotiate, and might eventually end up paying him what he wants before the end of next season ?

I think the tag would give even more leverage to Kirk, but the possibility that they realize they don't really have a choice still exists.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1165411]Me too, I'm over it. If Kirk wants to be here then he will sign a Long deal, if not and he is tagged, we might as well trade him if possible. He will walk after next season otherwise. I saw the same shit from KD last summer, Kirk wont be a Redskin much longer, call me negative nancy but I just have that gut feeling.[/quote]

I kind of feel the same way. Snyder and Allen suck at running a team and don't know shit about what it truly takes to build one. Allen says "it's not that complicated" but there has been no movement. Should have and could have gotten a deal done last year but failed to do so. And tired of KC whining about going "where I'm wanted" talk. I feel like he could have sealed this with better play the few weeks of the season. Instead he played scared against the Giants.

I do feel the Redskins are at a disadvantage and might just have to overpay on this one. If you have to go to 23 or 24 million a year then just do it and get the deal done. WTF are your other alternatives at this point?

What really bothers me most is Allen and Snyder will go out and overpay free agents, they'll overpay Jason Hatcher and Andre Roberts. They'll overpay for Josh Norman but won't do so for their starting QB? Makes no sense to me at all..

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1165445]I want to ask what is probably the dumbest question in the world, but I am really unfamiliar with the tags and how they work, so let me ask you:

If the Redskins still aren't sure about whether or not to tag him / trade him / release him, etc., by March 1, does that mean that Cousins fully enters into FA and then at that point could be signed by any team for any amount that they offer him?[/quote]

Yes and with caveats. March 1st is the deadline for signing franchise tags. Depending on which tag Cousins gets will determine if other teams are allowed to negotiate with Cousins or not. If it's the exclusive tag, no other teams can negotiate with Cousins and we pretty much are guaranteed to have Kirk Cousins through the 2017 season. If it's the nonexclusive, then other teams can negotiate and offer a contract, but the Redskins have the option to match. If they don't match the offer, then Cousins can sign with another team but that team gives up two first round draft picks.

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Question: if not cousins, then who do you want as the QB next year?

1. Watson
2. Jimmy Garoppolo
3. McCoy
4. Romo
5. Cutler
6. Tribesky or the kid from Notre Dame
7. Alex Smith if cut by the Chiefs
8. Other, then who?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1165445]I want to ask what is probably the dumbest question in the world, but I am really unfamiliar with the tags and how they work, so let me ask you:

If the Redskins still aren't sure about whether or not to tag him / trade him / release him, etc., by March 1, does that mean that Cousins fully enters into FA and then at that point could be signed by any team for any amount that they offer him?[/quote]

Bottom line. They have to tag him or sign him by March 1st. If they do neither, he is a free agent and we would get at best a 3rd round compensatory, but they will do one or the other before the March 1st deadline.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1165446]I agree to a certain extent.

How sure are we that this is not happening: they want him here long term, but are not sure they want to pay the price he's asking, they think tagging him will buy them some time to negotiate, and might eventually end up paying him what he wants before the end of next season ?

I think the tag would give even more leverage to Kirk, but the possibility that they realize they don't really have a choice still exists.[/quote]

At the point they tag him, they give KC a 33Million dollar (next year's tag number) reason not to sign a long term deal. Plus they would all but confirm he can't do enough to win the whole FO over, so there would be no way he signs any long term deal before next offseason. If they tag him, my expectation is that they will be looking to trade him. Maybe that's their plan, but I still stick to my prediction that they sign him to a 6 year deal by this Thursday.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165456]At the point they tag him, they give KC a 33Million dollar (next year's tag number) reason not to sign a long term deal. Plus they would all but confirm he can't do enough to win the whole FO over, so there would be no way he signs any long term deal before next offseason. If they tag him, my expectation is that they will be looking to trade him. Maybe that's their plan, but I still stick to my prediction that they sign him to a 6 year deal by this Thursday.[/quote]

I would like your prediction to come true. I am crossing my fingers and toes. I think it would be a colossal mistake for them to F this up and not get a deal done.

If they do get a deal done, do you think they would then use the franchise tag on Garcon or Jackson?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165429]Still the only thing that makes sense if we have turned the corner to being a football first franchise is a longterm deal. If that's what it's going to be, it ought to be done this week. I know deadlines make deals, but at this point you want to have his contract settled so you go into FA with a plan unhindered by speculation. We also have other contracts we ought to get done before the start of FA as well.[/quote]

I'm starting to feel that a franchise tag means that Cousins is most likely gone. Because I have a feeling the Redskins have a trade partner already lined up. While it's somewhat possible that the 'skins might be doing this in hopes other teams will offer Cousins a lowball contract, I doubt this will work. If he doesn't sign a contract this week, I will almost bet Cousins won't be a Redskin after 2017.

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[quote=Chico23231;1165454]Question: if not cousins, then who do you want as the QB next year?

1. Watson
2. Jimmy Garoppolo
3. McCoy
4. Romo
5. Cutler
6. Tribesky or the kid from Notre Dame
7. Alex Smith if cut by the Chiefs
8. Other, then who?[/quote]

Alex Smith could be a very likely possibility since he was a McCloughan pick. I would be OK with Smith as a stop gap (can't believe we're talking about stop gap quarterbacks!) He's proven to get your team to the playoffs and win some playoff games. Getting his services while getting another team's two first round picks would be a pretty good scenario if we HAD to give up Cousins.

Other than that, I don't think I would want any of the other guys on that list.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165456] but I still stick to my prediction that they sign him to a 6 year deal by this Thursday.[/quote]



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[quote=NC_Skins;1165464]:laughing2[/quote]

Yeah I kinda feel the same way

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[quote=Chico23231;1165465]Yeah I kinda feel the same way[/quote]

You notice that Garcon put out a comment today right? Hypothetically, let's say the Skins are zeroing in on the numbers that make Cousins contract work, and they reached out to Garcon with a lowball number which prompted his note to instagram.

Joe Flacco, who everyone knew was going to re-sign after the Superbowl actually signed his 2 days before the expiration of the FT period.

It may take longer, ie until Monday, but I assume that right now they are putting their final offers together, and I think Thursday/Friday is when they will come to agreement.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165466]You notice that Garcon put out a comment today right? Hypothetically, let's say the Skins are zeroing in on the numbers that make Cousins contract work, and they reached out to Garcon with a lowball number which prompted his note to instagram.

Joe Flacco, who everyone knew was going to re-sign after the Superbowl actually signed his 2 days before the expiration of the FT period.

It may take longer, ie until Monday, but I assume that right now they are putting their final offers together, and I think Thursday/Friday is when they will come to agreement.[/quote]

I hope you're right! I would love to know that Cousins has been locked up for long term by the end of this week. He's not elite, but he's good enough to win you a Super Bowl, that I strongly believe!

To have that finally in our rearview mirror and then to turn our attentions toward the receivers would be great news.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165466]You notice that Garcon put out a comment today right? Hypothetically, let's say the Skins are zeroing in on the numbers that make Cousins contract work, and they reached out to Garcon with a lowball number which prompted his note to instagram.

Joe Flacco, who everyone knew was going to re-sign after the Superbowl actually signed his 2 days before the expiration of the FT period.

It may take longer, ie until Monday, but I assume that right now they are putting their final offers together, and I think Thursday/Friday is when they will come to agreement.[/quote]

I mean, I hope your right...but

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[quote=metalskins;1165453]Yes and with caveats. March 1st is the deadline for signing franchise tags. Depending on which tag Cousins gets will determine if other teams are allowed to negotiate with Cousins or not. If it's the exclusive tag, no other teams can negotiate with Cousins and we pretty much are guaranteed to have Kirk Cousins through the 2017 season. If it's the nonexclusive, then other teams can negotiate and offer a contract, but the Redskins have the option to match. If they don't match the offer, then Cousins can sign with another team but that team gives up two first round draft picks.[/quote]

It is my understanding the 2 first round picks would be the starting point of negotiations for the compensation, it could be more or less, and Cooley implied the other day that no team would actually give that much.

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[quote=Chico23231;1165454]Question: if not cousins, then who do you want as the QB next year?

1. Watson
2. Jimmy Garoppolo
3. McCoy
4. Romo
5. Cutler
6. Tribesky or the kid from Notre Dame
7. Alex Smith if cut by the Chiefs
8. Other, then who?[/quote]

I am maxing out on everything else. Resign DJax, Garcon, Davis. Add Kevin Zeitler to the offensive line and DeAngello Williams as a platoon Running-back. Add Tony Jefferson, Brandon Williams, and Hightower on defense. I'd sign Mike Glennon to be the QB.Its only a 1 year fix. The 2018 QB draft group is better.

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Yeah I say we trade 2 firsts and a second for the right to draft DeShaun Watson. We can't do anything until we fill this gaping hole at qb.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1165478]I am maxing out on everything else. Resign DJax, Garcon, Davis. Add Kevin Zeitler to the offensive line and DeAngello Williams as a platoon Running-back. Add Tony Jefferson, Brandon Williams, and Hightower on defense. I'd sign Mike Glennon to be the QB.Its only a 1 year fix. The 2018 QB draft group is better.[/quote]

If you're just going for a one year fix, I don't think you can do much better than McCoy, especially considering he's been in the system and with these players for a few years already

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WOAH!!

[URL="https://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-kings-agree-to-trade-demarcus-cousins-to-pelicans-050000759.html"]Cousins TRADED to New Orleans!![/URL]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165481]WOAH!!

[URL="https://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-kings-agree-to-trade-demarcus-cousins-to-pelicans-050000759.html"]Cousins TRADED to New Orleans!![/URL][/quote]

LOL I knew what you were doing before I clicked, but it was still funny once I did.

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I didn't lie. No fake news here :)

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My preference is signing him to the non exclusive franchise tag and hope some team takes the bait. I'll take the 2 1st round picks. Cousins will find out he was spoiled here with all the weapons and solid offensive line. He won't be nearly as good any where else. And no, I don't have the answer for who plays qb next year but you have the draft and all off season to figure it out. I don't want him playing the season on the franchise tag again this year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1165454]Question: if not cousins, then who do you want as the QB next year?

1. Watson
2. Jimmy Garoppolo
3. McCoy
4. Romo
5. Cutler
6. Tribesky or the kid from Notre Dame
7. Alex Smith if cut by the Chiefs
8. Other, then who?[/quote]

The thought of going this route really just sucks the life out of me as a Redskin fan.

If RG3 was putting up the numbers that KC has he'd have his long term deal. Those dummies couldn't wait to give him 16 million, not thinking he'd get beat out.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/20/kirk-cousins-wont-sign-new-deal-before-application-of-franchise-tag/]Kirk Cousins won’t sign new deal before application of franchise tag | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=mredskins;1165487][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/20/kirk-cousins-wont-sign-new-deal-before-application-of-franchise-tag/]Kirk Cousins won’t sign new deal before application of franchise tag | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

It may be true, but Florio is notoriously wrong, and this could simply be KC pushing his leverage to the hilt for a long term deal.

Or it could be the ongoing saga that is the skins fan's life.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1165477]It is my understanding the 2 first round picks would be the starting point of negotiations for the compensation, it could be more or less, and Cooley implied the other day that no team would actually give that much.[/quote]

Well, it wouldn't be anything less. The standard compensation are the two first round picks. The Redskins don't have to negotiate in this instance. Now if the team has something else that appears to be "equal value" in the Redskins' eyes, say a star defensive player and some lower round picks or a couple defensive players, then the Redskins could negotiate a deal like that. But, they don't have to take anything less than the two first round picks.

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[quote=mooby;1165479]Yeah I say we trade 2 firsts and a second for the right to draft DeShaun Watson. We can't do anything until we fill this gaping hole at qb.[/quote]

You sure that's enough???

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[quote=skinsfan69;1165486]The thought of going this route really just sucks the life out of me as a Redskin fan.

If RG3 was putting up the numbers that KC has he'd have his long term deal. Those dummies couldn't wait to give him 16 million, not thinking he'd get beat out.[/quote]

Its just a tough reality to face, but from what we've heard its not out of the question.

I stated before, I don't want Cousins to play under the franchise tag again, because he will walk and we get nothing. The best case scenario is IMO is franchise and get San Fran, Cleveland, and Chicago in a bidding war for Cousins....and at the sametime call New England and make a gentleman agreement the 17th for Jimmy Garoppolo if we can move Cousins for picks. In the end, we will move Cousins for Multiple 1st rounders...one being a top 3 this year and next year. Along with additional later picks most likely.

I think this setups us up in the two ways, we get a 1 of the 2 best available QB in the offseason and it clears the way for a possible Josh McDaniel hire next year if Gruden shits the bed.

All this said, my preference is to sign Cousins long term.

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[url]https://twitter.com/KirkCousins8[/url]

Picture of Teds Montana grill that Cousins was at yesterday.
Anyone recognize the terrain or the license plate?
I'm curious to now where he is.

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5JEAaBWMAAun2T.jpg[/img]