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5 March Assessment

[url]https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-5[/url]

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[quote=nonniey;1311790]5 March Assessment

[url]https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-5[/url][/quote]

Russia had a bad day in the air. Wow…they got crushed

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[quote=Chico23231;1311791]Russia had a bad day in the air. Wow…they got crushed[/quote]

Yep - did you see the shootdown of that helicopter by the manpad (Stinger type missile)? Clearest footage I've ever seen of actual combat action.

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[quote=Chico23231;1311766]Ukraine has been defensive trying to hold territory ..as it should…but at this point they need to try a counteroffensive[/quote]

They don’t have the weaponry and they don’t have the logistical capability to supply a sustained offensive. When they’re fighting from a defensive position tight to their own cities it’s easier to resupply. They’re going to have to remain there.

Russia’s victory is inevitable, there’s just a raw cold military math at play. They just keep coming and keep coming. Even if losses are 2 parts Russian and 1 part Ukraine in every engagement, Russia still inevitably wins due to sheer numbers.

But the question is can Ukraine weaken them enough in that process to make holding the territory impossible for Russia, at which time you mount the insurrection. In that sense, Russia will assuredly fail. But not before Ukraine is ostensibly destroyed in the process.

I really wish the military math were in favor of the US getting more involved but it isn’t. In which scenario do more people die: 1) US steps in to defend Ukraine and war breaks out between US and Russia or 2) US stands by and watches Russia slowly salt away Ukraine’s defenses.

Far fewer die in scenario 2 and so we must stay away, as much as it feels like the wrong thing to do.

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[quote=Schneed10;1311796]They don’t have the weaponry and they don’t have the logistical capability to supply a sustained offensive. When they’re fighting from a defensive position tight to their own cities it’s easier to resupply. They’re going to have to remain there.

Russia’s victory is inevitable, there’s just a raw cold military math at play. They just keep coming and keep coming. Even if losses are 2 parts Russian and 1 part Ukraine in every engagement, Russia still inevitably wins due to sheer numbers.

But the question is can Ukraine weaken them enough in that process to make holding the territory impossible for Russia, at which time you mount the insurrection. In that sense, Russia will assuredly fail. But not before Ukraine is ostensibly destroyed in the process.

I really wish the military math were in favor of the US getting more involved but it isn’t. In which scenario do more people die: 1) US steps in to defend Ukraine and war breaks out between US and Russia or 2) US stands by and watches Russia slowly salt away Ukraine’s defenses.

Far fewer die in scenario 2 and so we must stay away, as much as it feels like the wrong thing to do.[/quote]
The US has to back down for now.Once NATO gets involved then yes but the fear is if we go in China backs Russia and goes after Taiwan then we have wars on both sides and it's WWIII . The other fear is Putin is a mad man who doesn't give a flying fuck about others or his own people he will use his nuclear option the question is when?

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6 March assessment.

[url]https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-6[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1311801]The US has to back down for now.Once NATO gets involved then yes but the fear is if we go in China backs Russia and goes after Taiwan then we have wars on both sides and it's WWIII . The other fear is Putin is a mad man who doesn't give a flying fuck about others or his own people he will use his nuclear option the question is when?[/quote]

I think we just said the same thing.

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7 March Assessment.

[url]https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-7[/url]

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[quote=nonniey;1311879]7 March Assessment.

[url]https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-7[/url][/quote]

So a major push to take Kyiv in the next few days.

Some seige and starving of towns.

Checkneyan assholes shelling civilians.

Mariupol somehow standing strong still.

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chico, blame Biden again...............


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8 March Assessment.

[url]https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-8[/url]

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I see we pussed out with the Mig29 transfer.

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[quote=nonniey;1312117]I see we pussed out with the Mig29 transfer.[/quote]

Poland and U.S. playing hot potato. Ridiculous.

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[quote=nonniey;1312117]I see we pussed out with the Mig29 transfer.[/quote]

No surprise

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[quote=Chico23231;1312151]No surprise[/quote]

Disappointing.

Wish we would tell Putin that any cyber attack on the US is an act of war against the US. But seems the people high up really want to keep this contained.

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[quote=nonniey;1312117]I see we pussed out with the Mig29 transfer.[/quote]

How so?

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A Russian artillery assault devastated a maternity and children's hospital complex in the besieged southern Ukrainian city of Mariupol, Ukrainian officials said Wednesday.

The Mariupol City Council posted video on social media of the battered buildings.

"The destruction is enormous," the council said in a statement. "The building of the medical institution where the children were treated recently was completely destroyed. Information about the affected children is being clarified."

President Volodymyr Zelensky said people were still trapped in the wreckage. He urged the West to ban Russia from the skies over Ukraine.

"Atrocity! How much longer will the world be an accomplice ignoring terror?" Zelenskyy said in a Twitter post. "Close the sky right now! Stop the killings! You have power but you seem to be losing humanity."

The U.S. and its allies have declined to do so because it could further drag the alliance into the war. The West has hit Russia with heavy economic sanctions, and on Wednesday the Kremlin threatened retaliation for the "economic war" it accused the U.S. of waging.

A plan for Poland to provide fighter jets to Ukraine was also in doubt after the Polish government said it would give all of its Soviet-built MiG-29 fighter jets to the U.S. –apparently to allow them to be used by Ukraine’s military. The Pentagon dismissed the idea as not "tenable.”

“Poland is not a side in this war ... and NATO is not a side in this war,” Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki Morawiecki said Wednesday during a visit to Vienna. “Such a serious decision like handing over planes must be unanimous and unequivocally taken by all of the North Atlantic alliance."

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/harris-visits-poland-amid-fighter-081315764.html[/url]

Putin bombed the hell out of a childrens hospital ...

"never again will the free world sit back and watch crimes against humanity ... until the next time"

we have to do something

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9 March Assessment.

[url]https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-9[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1312161]How so?[/quote]

[url]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/03/09/pentagon_thanks_poland_for_its_generousity_but_sending_jets_is_too_high_risk_to_send_to_ukraine_at_this_time.html[/url]

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[quote=nonniey;1312406][url]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/03/09/pentagon_thanks_poland_for_its_generousity_but_sending_jets_is_too_high_risk_to_send_to_ukraine_at_this_time.html[/url][/quote]

How is that "pussed out "? your words.

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[quote=Giantone;1312408]How is that "pussed out "? your words.[/quote]

I think it is pretty self explanatory. That said if you disagree with that interpretation that is fine. Everyone else who replied seems to agree mine.

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Link has a video (UAV camera bounces around a bit though) of a tank battle. Video shows a platoon of Russian tanks and couple of APCs engaging something off screen to the left (probably Ukrainian tanks). Shows hit on BMP (starts to burn), a Russian tank advancing and firing and then that tank being hit and destroyed (it's ammo rack exploded) by return fire.

[url]https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet[/url]

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[quote=nonniey;1312462]Link has a video (UAV camera bounces around a bit though) of a tank battle. Video shows a platoon of Russian tanks and couple of APCs engaging something off screen to the left (probably Ukrainian tanks). Shows hit on BMP (starts to burn), a Russian tank advancing and firing and then that tank being hit and destroyed (it's ammo rack exploded) by return fire.

[url]https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet[/url][/quote]

Somebody made a smart comment ... Ukraines are probably watching as many gas stations as possible to ambush russian tanks looking for fuel. Assuming russian tanks take diesel or gas station gas

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[quote=nonniey;1312459]I think it is pretty self explanatory. That said if you disagree with that interpretation that is fine. Everyone else who replied seems to agree mine.[/quote]

It's not and I'm asking you not the other two who replied. You seem to think that the US not wanting to escalate the War with a mad man is being a pussy and I'm asking why you think that is?

Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine.
 

[QUOTE=Giantone;1312476]It's not and I'm asking you not the other two who replied. You seem to think that the US not wanting to escalate the War with a mad man is being a pussy and I'm asking why you think that is?[/QUOTE]


I agree. So that makes it 2-2. Lol. I think it is pretty self explanatory why we are staying as out if it as possible. I mean we are talking about making a terrible situation for Ukraine (who we are helping best we can) not turning into a terrible situation for the world. Talk about self explanatory.

Clearly Intelligence is telling us this isn’t the same Putin. Increasingly isolated, paranoid, talking about nukes. It is a different situation than Syria. A different guy.

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[quote=punch it in;1312484]I agree. So that makes it 2-2. Lol. I think it is pretty self explanatory why we are staying as out if it as possible. I mean we are talking about making a terrible situation for Ukraine (who we are helping best we can) not turning into a terrible situation for the world. Talk about self explanatory.

Clearly Intelligence is telling us this isn’t the same Putin. Increasingly isolated, paranoid, talking about nukes. It is a different situation than Syria. A different guy.[/quote]

Exactly, it's not pussing out! This is a man who is bombing childrens Hospitals and killing civilians . Any hint NATO or the US comes in and it's WWIII with nukes and chemical warfare. The last thing it is is pussying out.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1312488]Exactly, it's not pussing out! This is a man who is bombing childrens Hospitals and killing civilians . Any hint NATO or the US comes in and it's WWIII with nukes and chemical warfare. The last thing it is is pussying out.[/QUOTE]


Not even worth conversation. Only thing worse than internet doctors is internet generals…

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And for those who say who does he go after next, let the sanctions catch up with him. Let the people around him slowly turn away. It is a shitty situation right now. Doesn’t mean you stop seeing the big picture and get stupid.

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Ex-Trump national security advisor John Bolton says 'Putin saw Trump doing a lot of his work for him,' so he chose not to invade Ukraine

[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/john-bolton-putin-saw-trump-doing-a-lot-of-his-work-for-him-2022-3[/url]

Former national security advisor John Bolton said "Putin saw Trump doing a lot of his work for him."

Trump considered withdrawing the US from NATO while he was president.

Bolton said it's one of the reasons that Putin did not invade Ukraine during Trump's time in office.

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My vote is its a pussy move. (for whatever worth a random internet person thinks)

I understand denying the no fly zone request bc that creates actual direct conflict. Here, Ukraine pilots go across border, steal some polish Migs and fly them into Ukraine.

What the difference btw supplying Javelins and anti aircraft vs old fighter jets?

Supplying a different kind of equipment and its all "defensive" as it will be utilized within Ukraine air space.

Nato wanted to help in a non direct way .. and the US pussied out.

We are going to pussy out this entire thing while letting Putin dictate the terms of engagement.

Never again ... what a joke.

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[quote=nonniey;1312462]Link has a video (UAV camera bounces around a bit though) of a tank battle. Video shows a platoon of Russian tanks and couple of APCs engaging something off screen to the left (probably Ukrainian tanks). Shows hit on BMP (starts to burn), a Russian tank advancing and firing and then that tank being hit and destroyed (it's ammo rack exploded) by return fire.

[url]https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet[/url][/quote]

This is great footage.

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[quote=SunnySide;1312501]My vote is its a pussy move. (for whatever worth a random internet person thinks)

I understand denying the no fly zone request bc that creates actual direct conflict. Here, Ukraine pilots go across border, steal some polish Migs and fly them into Ukraine.

What the difference btw supplying Javelins and anti aircraft vs old fighter jets?

Supplying a different kind of equipment and its all "defensive" as it will be utilized within Ukraine air space.

Nato wanted to help in a non direct way .. and the US pussied out.

We are going to pussy out this entire thing while letting Putin dictate the terms of engagement.

Never again ... what a joke.[/quote]
Horse shit!

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[quote=Giantone;1312505]Horse shit![/quote]

Everyone is entitled to their subjective opinions on this imo.

No wrong or right opinion, both sides have merit and logic to them.

Just difference of opinions.

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[quote=punch it in;1312484]I agree. So that makes it 2-2. Lol. I think it is pretty self explanatory why we are staying as out if it as possible. I mean we are talking about making a terrible situation for Ukraine (who we are helping best we can) not turning into a terrible situation for the world. Talk about self explanatory.

Clearly Intelligence is telling us this isn’t the same Putin. Increasingly isolated, paranoid, talking about nukes. It is a different situation than Syria. A different guy.[/quote]

3-2 for the anti-war pussies like me now.

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Smells like a 5 day old tuna sandwich in here

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[quote=SunnySide;1312526]Smells like a 5 day old tuna sandwich in here[/quote]

That's fresh sushi compared to all other political threads we have.

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[quote=Giantone;1312505]Horse shit![/quote]

G1 how do you do it? You had and have a crisis at the border, Afghanistan, covid, Ukraine, inflation, energy…and you seem to think actually everything is going great and according to plan.

How do you do this?

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[quote=Giantone;1312505]Horse shit![/quote]

[url]https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2022/03/10/politico-biden-personally-killed-ukraine-jet-transfer-that-blinken-green-lit-and-poland-wanted-n454345[/url]

Blinken and NATO had a deal…Biden killed it.

Biden pussied out

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1312522]3-2 for the anti-war pussies like me now.[/quote]

You know the others were pushing for war,right ?

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[quote=Giantone;1312543]You know the others were pushing for war,right ?[/quote]

I just can't believe I'm on the same side as G1 & Punch regarding a subject matter that involves politics. Feels unnatural lol.