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[quote=Lotus;884925]The best part of waking up is a bigot in your cup.[/quote]




:laughing2

Glad I wasn't drinking anything at the time.

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Years ago I dated this girl named Dawn.
I slept with my head between her legs.
Every day I would wake up at the crack of Dawn.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;884842]If Peyton comes back, it will be because he thinks he can play 2-3 more years. If we signed him, it would also be because we think he can play 2-3 more years.[/quote]

Exactly. The only way I could PM retire after just one more season is if he wins the lombardi but just was physically battered.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;884928]Years ago I dated this girl named Dawn.
I slept with my head between her legs.
Every day I would wake up at the crack of Dawn.[/quote]

:rofl:

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Alvin Walton and Lotus. Brilliant.

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[quote=Paintrain;884908]While I agree with you, why Grossman and not Beck? Grossman is a FA and we've seen his 'best'. Why not just keep Beck in his final year of the contract, give him a full offseason and have him as the #3 QB?

Don't get me wrong, Beck sucks but you don't bring in Manning and draft a QB early with the intention that your 'other' backup is going to get much playing time.[/quote]

Your right but the concept is at some point PM is going to have to be replaced and you don't want to be relying on the 4th round pick you took 2-3 yrs ago.

I'll say this... if RGIII falls to us at #6 we take him no matter if we have PM or not. Otherwise I'd look to trade back maybe mid round in order to pick up another draft pick and take the QB we like out of the 2nd best. Depending on what we do WR wise in FA I might even take a second round or third round QB and call it a day. Why? because as much as you guys want to seperate the QBs as being better then each other I see only small differences. Luck obviously stand out. RGIII is a slight drop off. and from there the rest to me are all about the same ball park with only a slight drop off from RGIII, (Tannehill, Foles, Weeden, T.Wilson, and Cousins). I watched a little film on Osweiler over the weekend and I'm actually impressed with him as well. He's gangly but he seems to scramble/run well, He has a nice long ball, and he can see the whole field because he's like 6ft-8in.

Maybe dump both Grossman and Beck, pick up PM, and take two Rookies in the draft. Pm will take up one roster spot, one of the rookies can take up the other and the last can be on the PS. By the way I'd dump Crompton also. This way we have one Vet, two rookies. Maybe Weeden because of his age makes him more mature and another young rookie QB.

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[quote=Mahons21;884914]I disagree. Manning is an injury risk, and if you acquire a young QB they're most likely going to need some time to develop.

Depth chart should be Manning/Rex/drafted QB.

EDIT: I should have prefaced this post. That should be the depth chart as long as the Skins are in contention, obviously if they're mathematically eliminated it would be wiser to give the young QB some live PT.[/quote]

Manning is no more of an injury risk than any other QB. The neck isn't an issue, it's the nerves in his arm that are preventing him from being considered 100%. The neck has been fine since the fall.

I think if we sign Manning/draft a QB in the 2nd round, we are not doing so with the intent of him being a 3-4 year project that we hope develops. The plan must be to bring him in with the intention that he's ready sooner rather than later so IF Manning is injured, he can play immediately.

To clarify, Beck would be 3rd string, not the primary backup in my previous query. If we're going with a vet backup I'd rather have Henne than either Rex or Beck.

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[quote=Lotus;884802]Dean and CultBrennan, who have similar sad racial views on QB's, appear to be time travelers from the 17th century.[/quote]

hey now...

funny I was thinking of this the other day. I was talking to an african american man I work with, water cooler small talk, we started talking about the draft his 49ers and my Redskins.

"Your Redskins need a QB and badly," he said
"Who do you think we'll get? I've heard we're going to trade up for Griffin."
"Haha, nah, you all aren't getting Griffin he's a black QB, you all don't like black QB's."
"Why do you say that, we are the only team to win a super bowl with a black QB."
"And you all cut him after you all won it with him haha."

all I could do was laugh and think back to this board.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;884946]hey now...

funny I was thinking of this the other day. I was talking to an african american man I work with, water cooler small talk, we started talking about the draft his 49ers and my Redskins.

"Your Redskins need a QB and badly," he said
"Who do you think we'll get? I've heard we're going to trade up for Griffin."
"Haha, nah, you all aren't getting Griffin he's a black QB, you all don't like black QB's."
"Why do you say that, we are the only team to win a super bowl with a black QB."
"And you all cut him after you all won it with him haha."

all I could do was laugh and think back to this board.[/quote]

Not to take anything away from your wonderfully funny post but I don't recall the Skins "cutting" him. I recall him wanting to retire and Gibbs talked him into coming to the Skins. After he won the SB I was pretty sure he retired. In other words went out on a good note.

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Injuries forced him to retire.

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By the way, for you fans who are against PM because he can't throw....

[url=http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/bears-talk/post/Polian-adamantly-denies-reports-of-Manni?blockID=648372&feedID=626]Polian adamantly denies reports of Manning's poor arm strength[/url]

[QUOTE]Polian refuted comments made Wednesday by Indianapolis Star reporter Bob Kravitz on Tony Kornheiser’s radio show, calling them simply “untrue.” He went further, saying that he saw Manning throw on New Year’s Eve and Manning showed, "quick release, good zip, but it was capped at about 25 yards.”
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Polian said Manning is showing progress and that “his range of motion between his right arm and his left arm are almost the same at this point."

[/QUOTE]

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[quote=Paintrain;884889]First Don Cornelius, then Whitney Houston and now this? Damn, worst Black History Month ever.[/quote]

Ain't that the truth.

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I say draft up for RGIII.

but Peyton isnt the worst option lol
I think Peyton will be just find and propell whatever team he plays for.
If it wasnt for Newton boosting a guy like RGIIIs draft status we wouldnt be having this convo.

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[quote=Ruhskins;884848]Yes, but the only one with a chip on their shoulder would be Manning. I am willing to give MS the benefit of the doubt with McNabb (I still think it was a terrible idea, but whatever). But our entire FO deserves to fired if they signed an unhealthy Manning or if MS is not able to fit his defense to a healthy Manning.

As it has been mentioned before, signing Manning will only cost us money. Regardless of whether we get Manning or not, the key will be for his FO to get their QB of the future. Either by trading up for RG3 or getting a Tannehill/Cousins/Osweiller/etc.[/quote]

Truer words...

In the (longshot) case of signing Peyton and RGIII falling to 6 and we take him, it will be very interesting to see what kind of QB RGIII becomes under Manning's tutelage. Griifin has such superior physical ability by all accounts if he could learn to be the OC type QB Peyton is holy sh!t what a phenom!!

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[quote=biffle;884623]For the record, why don't you look at GTripp's breakdown of our cap space. People keep throwing these numbers around and thinking that we are going to have trouble figuring out what to do with all the cap space. Once we re-sign our own and our draft picks, that space turns into a much more pedestrian number.[/quote]If you throw a ton of front loaded cap space at Peyton Manning, I think you are right that the $48 million figure can look a lot bigger than it really is. That $48 million can become $12 million really quickly and without guaranteed roster improvement. Look at how much the Redskins spent last year and what they got out of it.

But I do want to say this: Schneed is right when he says there are very limited ways to improve your team with available cap space. I believe the best use of the cap is to have as much available as possible for a day where you have so many critical veteran pieces to your team that you actually need to use that cap space to keep those guys together, but if you pay Peyton Manning mostly through 2012 and 2013 guaranteed roster bonuses, all that cap space spent to get Manning will still be there in 2014, and it limits the room to make bad signings just because you want to dispel the illusion that you are being cheap.

Marginal wins are almost impossible to buy in football with cash, whereas in baseball, you have pretty accurate estimates of a marginal win costing $4.8 million.

I buy your argument that Peyton is in decline, but I think if you strip out the Colts-offense related decline, Peyton's personal decline is much less steep, and you still have a pretty dominant player who is a better quarterback than Eli Manning and Michael Vick in the NFC East.

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[quote=Schneed10;884687]As for GTripp's breakdown, you probably don't realize it but you've stepped into my wheelhouse - salary cap analysis. GTripp's breakdown post is one I used to do for this site. He did it this year for whatever reason, I chose not to make an issue of it, but that doesn't mean I agree with the analysis. He's right in saying we need a portion of our cap space to resign our own players or replace them with other players. But I don't agree with the conclusion that there is only $15 million of flexibility. You may be able to assume same cap value when considering replacement cost of departing players, but that doesn't mean those replacements won't be talent upgrades.[/quote]And there was no cap rollover in the analysis I posted.

It's a moot point for the 2012 season because the Redskins aren't even going to get close to spending to the cap unless they have like a $20 million roster bonus for Manning in the middle of the season. Anything else, and only a cap analysis of 2013 or 2014 could produce a meaningful barrier to new contracts.

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[quote=Skins4L;884978]I say draft up for RGIII.

but Peyton isnt the worst option lol
[B]I think Peyton will be just find and propell whatever team he plays for.[/B]
If it wasnt for Newton boosting a guy like RGIIIs draft status we wouldnt be having this convo.[/quote]

Can we have that option please. I don't care how you cut but there is a risk in either of the top two rookie QBs, and it will be a few years before we see a rookie come out and play like Cam Newton did this year. RGIII will not put up Cam Newton #s. It has been years since a rookie came out and played like Cam, it will be years till the next.

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This is an interesting read regarding Steve Young's view of MS and how Peyton could thirve here.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/steve-young-thinks-peyton-manning-to-the-redskins-is-a-fit/2012/02/08/gIQAY0pNzQ_blog.html]Steve Young thinks Peyton Manning to the Redskins is a fit - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

I for one want to see this team win. NOW! LOL

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[quote=Paintrain;884937]Manning is no more of an injury risk than any other QB. The neck isn't an issue, it's the nerves in his arm that are preventing him from being considered 100%. The neck has been fine since the fall.[/quote]Correction on one point: Manning may not be any more of an injury risk because of his cervical fusion, but he's a 36+ year old NFL starting quarterback. That's a group that, in it's entirety, is two guys: Manning and Hasselbeck. All else equal, Manning is more of an injury risk than 30 other starting QBs based on his age alone.

I still think Manning is capable of throwing together back to back 16 start seasons, but I would not predict that he will.

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[quote=GTripp0012;885052]If you throw a ton of front loaded cap space at Peyton Manning, I think you are right that the $48 million figure can look a lot bigger than it really is. That $48 million can become $12 million really quickly and without guaranteed roster improvement. Look at how much the Redskins spent last year and what they got out of it.

But I do want to say this: Schneed is right when he says there are very limited ways to improve your team with available cap space. I believe the best use of the cap is to have as much available as possible for a day where you have so many critical veteran pieces to your team that you actually need to use that cap space to keep those guys together, but if you pay Peyton Manning mostly through 2012 and 2013 guaranteed roster bonuses, all that cap space spent to get Manning will still be there in 2014, and it limits the room to make bad signings just because you want to dispel the illusion that you are being cheap.

Marginal wins are almost impossible to buy in football with cash, whereas in baseball, you have pretty accurate estimates of a marginal win costing $4.8 million.

I buy your argument that Peyton is in decline, but I think if you strip out the Colts-offense related decline, Peyton's personal decline is much less steep, and you still have a pretty dominant player who is a better quarterback than Eli Manning and Michael Vick in the NFC East.[/quote]

Well, I certainly agree with you on re-signing your own being the smartest way to spend cap room. But I think there is plenty of good that can be done in the FA market. Just using last year's class of our own, the 2012 costs for the vet FAs we brought in (Cofield, Bowen, Atogwe, Wilson, Chester, Rocca) is right around 24 mil. Is that not a wise use of resources? Is there no way we can envision a repeat of that as a smart way to add to our depth? Or, we could probably sign a couple of guys like Ben Grubbs and Mario Manningham for about the same per year cost as Manning. Just dismissing the other uses of the cap space is not a fair way to look at the two sides of this.

And again, the rollovers mean even if we stayed below the cap, those become dollars we can spend in the future. So an argument centered around an implication that if we don't sign Manning or the dollars go to waste in some way is not really valid, imo.

The problem with arguing this is that it feels like debating arguments built around conflicting points:
A) that we should sign Manning because of the surety of how it will improve us. while at the same time dismissing the cap space argument because there's nothing you can do on the FA market that can really help the team.
B) that we shouldn't draft a QB because the odds are so against finding a star in the draft, while at the same time acting as if whatever else we would do with the draft picks is a sure bet to succeed.


Anyway, I probably won't be around the board much the next few days, so thanks for the convo guys.

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My picks are PM or Bradford, PM allows us to trade back & get more picks lasts years draft spoilled me this whole tradeing back and getting more picks and good talent is a BRILLIANT! idea.

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I see it two ways.

[U][B]Offseason Plan with Peyton:[/B][/U]
Sign Peyton
Sign Reggie Wayne
Trade Down and pickup a Stanford lineman in the first (G - David DeCastro or OT Jonathan Martin)
Pick the best second tier QB in the 2nd (Tannehill, Foles, Osweiler)
BPA with the other Second Round pick with a slight favor towards the offensive side of the ball. Or Better yet try to trade down again for a 3rd and fourth.

[B][U]Offseason Plan with RGIII[/U][/B]
Sign Vincent Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, or Marques Colston
Trade 2012 and 2013 First for RGIII
Use Second Round pick on Offensive Lineman
Use third round pick on BPA preferably offense

Granted this is kind of more what I would do but it gives you an idea of what our options are under both scenarios.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;885060]This is an interesting read regarding Steve Young's view of MS and how Peyton could thirve here.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/steve-young-thinks-peyton-manning-to-the-redskins-is-a-fit/2012/02/08/gIQAY0pNzQ_blog.html"]Steve Young thinks Peyton Manning to the Redskins is a fit - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/URL]

I for one want to see this team win. NOW! LOL[/quote]
GREAT find!
Nice to have the opinion of an actual player with HOF skills, rather than the endless...blather of blowhard player wannabe's....gone sportscaster and armchair quarterbacks.

“Well first of all, no one is doubting my love affair with Mike Shanahan,” Young said. “I mean, the two of us, for three of four years, the guy was unbelievable. He can call plays like no one I’ve ever seen. He was just amazing in my professional career. So first of all, when you talk about quarterbacks and who could really do something with Peyton Manning, in my mind it’s Mike Shanahan....It’s one of those places where it seems like it’s all in place.”
Then Thom Loverro speculated that Shanahan’s quarterback guru reputation has taken a hit in recent seasons.
“Let me just tell you this: Mike is a phenomenal playcaller, but he wants a quarterback that will protect his incredible ability to call plays,” Young said. “In other words, I’m gonna call a series of plays, I’m gonna put combinations together that are a little bit outlandish, but you need to protect me. Most playcallers have to go the other way — I’ve got to call plays because my quarterback’s not gonna protect me and I’m gonna protect him. That relationship is vital.

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I'm going to steal your scenarios Dirt and add a few things...

[U][B]Offseason Plan with Peyton:[/B][/U]
Sign Peyton
Sign Marques Colston
Trade Down and pickup DeCastro (OG) in the first
Pick the best second tier QB in the 2nd (Tannehill, Foles, Osweiler)
BPA with the other Second Round pick with a slight favor towards the offensive side of the ball (tackle or WR).

[B][U]Offseason Plan with RGIII[/U][/B]
Sign Vincent Jackson
Sign FA Vet QB bridge
Sign Ben Grubbs (OG)
Get an upgrade from Brown at RT.
Trade 2012 and 2013 First, 2012 second for RGIII (I don't think two firsts is going to cut it)
Use third round pick on BPA preferably offense

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[quote=Ruhskins;885078]I'm going to steal your scenarios Dirt and add a few things...

[U][B]Offseason Plan with Peyton:[/B][/U]
Sign Peyton
Sign Marques Colston
Trade Down and pickup DeCastro (OG) in the first
Pick the best second tier QB in the 2nd (Tannehill, Foles, Osweiler)
BPA with the other Second Round pick with a slight favor towards the offensive side of the ball (tackle or WR).

[B][U]Offseason Plan with RGIII[/U][/B]
Sign Vincent Jackson
Sign FA Vet QB bridge
Sign Ben Grubbs (OG)
Get an upgrade from Brown at RT.
Trade 2012 and 2013 First, 2012 second for RGIII (I don't think two firsts is going to cut it)
Use third round pick on BPA preferably offense[/quote]Why Marques Colston with Peyton, but Vincent Jackson with RG3? Just variety? Or something more design-oriented?

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[quote=Hog1;885077]GREAT find!
Nice to have the opinion of an actual player with HOF skills, rather than the endless...blather of blowhard player wannabe's....gone sportscaster and armchair quarterbacks.

“Well first of all, no one is doubting my love affair with Mike Shanahan,” Young said. “I mean, the two of us, for three of four years, the guy was unbelievable. He can call plays like no one I’ve ever seen. He was just amazing in my professional career. So first of all, when you talk about quarterbacks and who could really do something with Peyton Manning, in my mind it’s Mike Shanahan....It’s one of those places where it seems like it’s all in place.”
Then Thom Loverro speculated that Shanahan’s quarterback guru reputation has taken a hit in recent seasons.
“Let me just tell you this: Mike is a phenomenal playcaller, but he wants a quarterback that will protect his incredible ability to call plays,” Young said. “In other words, I’m gonna call a series of plays, I’m gonna put combinations together that are a little bit outlandish, but you need to protect me. Most playcallers have to go the other way — I’ve got to call plays because my quarterback’s not gonna protect me and I’m gonna protect him. That relationship is vital.[/quote]

Wow...that quote especially is perceptive. Always thought young was one of the brighter QBs to play and game, no surprise he saw things much the same way as MS and they had great coach/player chemistry.

Play-calling wasn't necessarily inspiring in Denver though, before or after Elway. What I remember most are the nasty defenses under Philips and elite players like SS, TD and Elway consistently making game-changing plays.

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Seems like a lot of players are coming out of the woodwork about Manning to the Redskins. Schlereth was preaching it on Mike & Mike this morning.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36229/mike-mike-on-manning-to-redskins]Mike & Mike on Manning-to-Redskins - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;884955]Injuries forced him to retire.[/quote]

Thats what I thought. He definitly was not cut.

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He's right....

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[quote=Hog1;885077]GREAT find!
Nice to have the opinion of an actual player with HOF skills, rather than the endless...blather of blowhard player wannabe's....gone sportscaster and armchair quarterbacks.

“Well first of all, no one is doubting my love affair with Mike Shanahan,” Young said. “I mean, the two of us, for three of four years, the guy was unbelievable. He can call plays like no one I’ve ever seen. He was just amazing in my professional career. So first of all, when you talk about quarterbacks and who could really do something with Peyton Manning, in my mind it’s Mike Shanahan....It’s one of those places where it seems like it’s all in place.”
Then Thom Loverro speculated that Shanahan’s quarterback guru reputation has taken a hit in recent seasons.
“Let me just tell you this: Mike is a phenomenal playcaller, but he wants a quarterback that will protect his incredible ability to call plays,” Young said. “In other words, I’m gonna call a series of plays, I’m gonna put combinations together that are a little bit outlandish, but you need to protect me. Most playcallers have to go the other way — I’ve got to call plays because my quarterback’s not gonna protect me and I’m gonna protect him. That relationship is vital.[/quote]

If you go to the bottom of the article it gives you Chris Mortenson's opinion as well as some others. Steve to me is the most valueable as you are talking about a HOF who has worked with MS and knows PM. It can give him some insight as to why the relationship would work.

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[quote=biffle;885068]
The problem with arguing this is that it feels like debating arguments built around conflicting points:
A) that we should sign Manning because of the surety of how it will improve us. while at the same time dismissing the cap space argument because there's nothing you can do on the FA market that can really help the team.
B) that we shouldn't draft a QB because the odds are so against finding a star in the draft, while at the same time acting as if whatever else we would do with the draft picks is a sure bet to succeed.


Anyway, I probably won't be around the board much the next few days, so thanks for the convo guys.[/quote]


Um... I think the biggest problem I'm seeing is the "PM no way" crowd seem to think PM is going to cost like $30 mill of our $40-45 mill. He won't.

The other thing to think about is this team is not going out and picking up all the FA's and PM is going to command so much money that we won't be able to do that. I see the Skins maybe getting 1 FA QB no matter who it is or what they plan to do in the draft. So out of all the FA QB's whom would you rather have? Personally I'd rather have Flynn. Others would like to see Orton.
-Flynn is capable of starting, challenging the Rookie that is drafted and allows the team to play the best QB with a quality back up.
-Orton I see as slight step better then Grossman. Someone who should be a healthy back up to the Rookie.
-PM if healthy starts and makes the Rookie develope under him. I'm not sure he will be ready to start in Sept., maybe mid season, but this allows the team to possibly start your Rookie which I'd expect everyone to want.

The only concern I would worry about if I was against PM would be will he be healthy and take time away from said Rookie drafted? For those of you who don't think he will ever be healthy enough to play.... you all should be the ones argueing for PM cause this ensures your Rookie starts.

This team will have a Vet on it. Whether it's Grossman, Beck, Orton, or PM. Flynn might be out even though I'd like to see them get him only because he's some what young and definitly healthy and played well against a stout defense (Lions). So pick you poison.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;885076]I see it two ways.

[U][B]Offseason Plan with Peyton:[/B][/U]
Sign Peyton
Sign Reggie Wayne
Trade Down and pickup a Stanford lineman in the first (G - David DeCastro or OT Jonathan Martin)
Pick the best second tier QB in the 2nd (Tannehill, Foles, Osweiler)
BPA with the other Second Round pick with a slight favor towards the offensive side of the ball. Or Better yet try to trade down again for a 3rd and fourth.

[B][U]Offseason Plan with RGIII[/U][/B]
Sign Vincent Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, or Marques Colston
[B]Trade 2012 and 2013 First for RGIII[/B]
Use Second Round pick on Offensive Lineman
Use third round pick on BPA preferably offense

Granted this is kind of more what I would do but it gives you an idea of what our options are under both scenarios.[/quote]

I personally also think your being rather generous with what it will cost to get RGIII. As if it won't cost 2-first round picks and possibly more like a 2nd this year and a 3rd next. Good luck picking up your OL in the 2nd round this year if you don't have one.

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[quote=SBXVII;884954]Not to take anything away from your wonderfully funny post but I don't recall the Skins "cutting" him. I recall him wanting to retire and Gibbs talked him into coming to the Skins. After he won the SB I was pretty sure he retired. In other words went out on a good note.[/quote]

Yeah I wasn't sure if it was that he retired or was cut either.

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[quote=SBXVII;885114]I personally also think your being rather generous with what it will cost to get RGIII. As if it won't cost 2-first round picks and possibly more like a 2nd this year and a 3rd next. Good luck picking up your OL in the 2nd round this year if you don't have one.[/quote]

According to McShay and Kiper the price of the 2nd overall pick is likely to come down a bit after free agency when the Manning and Flynn sweepstakes end. And not only does St. Louis have to consider how far they'll be willing to drop but they'll also have to accept that Minnesota might be more flexible on price.

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[quote=Higskin;885092]Seems like a lot of players are coming out of the woodwork about Manning to the Redskins. Schlereth was preaching it on Mike & Mike this morning.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36229/mike-mike-on-manning-to-redskins]Mike & Mike on Manning-to-Redskins - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

I told the same thing to my Dad that the notion that Peyton doesn't want to face Eli twice a year is insane. If anything it's a huge plus for Peyton given how he's competitive to the point of insanity.

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[B][U]Offseason Plan with Peyton Manning:[/U][/B]

o call Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez

o target NT/DE Paul Soliai

o try and trade out of the 6th pick and target BPA OL (e.g. Martin, Decastro)

o keep adding BPA talent with the specific focus of upgrading OL and a starting caliber Safety

o draft a [I][B]developmental[/B][/I] QB with the second 4th round pick or later (maybe one of the QBs rated highly on their board falls? or take a flier on a Russell Wilson in the 5th)

o sign a developmental/journeyman [I][B]FA[/B][/I] QB

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[quote=GTripp0012;885089]Why Marques Colston with Peyton, but Vincent Jackson with RG3? Just variety? Or something more design-oriented?[/quote]

I was thinking money-wise Colston would be cheaper than VJax, and well I am sure Manning would cost some money. With RG3, I would see VJax as the #1 FA acquisition and we would probably have a bit more money to spend on him.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;885111][B]If you go to the bottom of the article it gives you Chris Mortenson's opinion as well [/B]as some others. Steve to me is the most valueable as you are talking about a HOF who has worked with MS and knows PM. It can give him some insight as to why the relationship would work.[/quote]
That was great stuff!

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=Ruhskins;885138]I was thinking money-wise Colston would be cheaper than VJax, and well I am sure Manning would cost some money. With RG3, I would see VJax as the #1 FA acquisition and we would probably have a bit more money to spend on him.[/quote]

Personally I'd prefer Colston anyway. He doesn't have the off-field troubles of VJax nor is he a head case like Bowe.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=Lotus;885140]Personally I'd prefer Colston anyway. He doesn't have the off-field troubles of VJax nor is he a head case like Bowe.[/quote]

There you go!