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[quote=SmootSmack;874713]I've never heard that they like RG3 more than Luck[/quote]

Maybe you should listen harder.

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I'm with you. I'm sick of wasting picks on the secondary. Way back when we lost Smoot to the Vikes, and had to draft Carlos. I know he was wanting out, but if we had treated him right, he would have stayed. Now we let Carlos go, and are needing CB help. Please, anything but secondary help.

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We definitely need help in a lot of positions. QB is the number 1 need. After that I would say is secondary. OJ couldn't start/finish out a whole season. Landry may not stay. Josh Wilson showed some flashes toward the end of the year, but still wasn't as good as we hoped. DHall is, well DHall a constantly targeted on/off CB, who even admitted himself that he should have been cut after some of his performances.

RT and a playmaking WR is a need, but secondary is a bigger need.

[QUOTE=mredskins;874650][url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/andrew_perloff/01/10/2012.nfl.mock.draft/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2]Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III top our first 2012 NFL mock draft - Andrew Perloff - SI.com[/url]

Look at this mock draft.

I swear to fawking god if we waste another top ten first round pick on the secondary I will scream.[/QUOTE]



That dude isn't even That great horrible mock draft.. Landry was a way better prospect

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we definitely do need secondary. as of right now gomes is the only guy with any real stating potential as a young player. i dont believe in kevin barnes. wilson and d hall are marginal starters at corner at best. if we can keep landry and keep atogwe healthy, i think we will be ok there. kirkpatrick is a beast at cornerback, its not a terrible pick, however we REALLY need a qb. QB first, then either a wide receiver/cornerback.

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[quote=mredskins;874650][url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/andrew_perloff/01/10/2012.nfl.mock.draft/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2]Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III top our first 2012 NFL mock draft - Andrew Perloff - SI.com[/url]

Look at this mock draft.

I swear to fawking god if we waste another top ten first round pick on the secondary I will scream.[/quote]

One thing to point out...

If we could somehow maneuver a trade with Cincy... I'd be all for it.

According to this mock, the Skins could get any combination of these guys at #17 & #21:

WR Michael Floyd, CB Stephon Gilmore, CB Janoris Jenkins, LB Dont'a Hightower, TE Dwayne Allen, WR Mohamed Sandu, G Kelechi Osemele, CB Jayron Hosley

I mean... if we can't beat the Browns to RGIII, with this situation you can grab Floyd & Gilmore or Jenkins to fill WR & CB holes and go after Foles / Osweiler / Weeden / Moore in the 2nd and/or later?? Not bad at all in my eyes...

If this year proved anything... getting Kerrigan, Hankerson and Helu for trading back from #10... collecting a BUNCH of young talent is exactly what we need.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;874752]One thing to point out...

If we could somehow maneuver a trade with Cincy... I'd be all for it.

According to this mock, the Skins could get any combination of these guys at #17 & #21:

WR Michael Floyd, CB Stephon Gilmore, CB Janoris Jenkins, LB Dont'a Hightower, TE Dwayne Allen, WR Mohamed Sandu, G Kelechi Osemele, CB Jayron Hosley

I mean... if we can't beat the Browns to RGIII, with this situation you can grab Floyd & Gilmore or Jenkins to fill WR & CB holes and go after Foles / Osweiler / Weeden / Moore in the 2nd and/or later?? Not bad at all in my eyes...

If this year proved anything... getting Kerrigan, Hankerson and Helu for trading back from #10... collecting a BUNCH of young talent is exactly what we need.[/quote]

if we cant get luck or RG3, then trading down could be the best option.

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If we go on another defensive spending spree, we'll probably be having the same conversation with a similar record next offseason and hoping that the Skins can trade up to get Matt Barkley.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874747]We definitely need help in a lot of positions. QB is the number 1 need. After that I would say is secondary. OJ couldn't start/finish out a whole season. Landry may not stay. Josh Wilson showed some flashes toward the end of the year, but still wasn't as good as we hoped. DHall is, well DHall a constantly targeted on/off CB, who even admitted himself that he should have been cut after some of his performances.

RT and a playmaking WR is a need, but secondary is a bigger need.[/quote]

Actually, I don't think we need so much help that is scary. We are def. in a better spot this year than last year across the board.

Really, you only named QB, FS, RT, WR. That is four positions, five if you want to add another CB to the mix. So getting five players to come to the team via free agency and the draft isn't so substantial of a task. That leaves everything else for depth.

I remember last year thinking about who would play QB, C, RG, RB, FB, WR, DT, DE, OLB, ILB, FS.

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[quote=Lotus;872148]What I think will happen: at #6 the Skins choose Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M[/quote]

Like to see us trade down before we make that pick with our first choice.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;872159]Robert Griffin the III, Quarterback, Baylor OR Justin Blackmon Wide Receiver, Oklahoma State.[/quote]

As this has evolved, I think I prefer the Blackmon pick over Griffin.

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[quote=redskin29633;874758]As this has evolved, I think I prefer the Blackmon pick over Griffin.[/quote]

Elite Receivers help you get into the playoffs. Elite QB's help you go all the way. Granted if they decide Matt Flynn is their guy I'll root like hell for them to get Blackmon but RGIII will have a bigger impact on this team then any receiver in the league, including the likes of Fitzgerald, Megatron, and Andre Johnson.

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[quote=WaldSkins;872184]Tannehill has raw talent. He has only been starting at QB for a year and a half (previously played WR). His stock will skyrocket once he goes through the combine drills.[/quote]

That's right, Tannehill can play and his upside-improvement potential may be the best among QB's in this draft!

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[quote=Dirtbag59;874759]Elite Receivers help you get into the playoffs. Elite QB's help you go all the way. Granted if they decide Matt Flynn is their guy I'll root like hell for them to get Blackmon but RGIII will have a bigger impact on this team then any receiver in the league, including the likes of Fitzgerald, Megatron, and Andre Johnson.[/quote]

What you say makes good sense to me; maybe I'm being short sighted but I want some of that immediate improvement. I want some credibility back and since QB's tend to be a dice roll, I think Blackmon is more of a sure thing that could produce a more significant impact.

FYI my local sports talk radio reported yesterday that Flynn is headed to Cleveland in some kind of sign and trade deal for three of the Browns draft picks.

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lmao @ sign and trade deal

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i think our WRcorps with blackmon would be danerous.... lol depending whos throwing to them
*cough* foles or flynn *cough*

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Yeah, I think he meant franchise or transition tag and trade. Sign and trade is pointless in the NFL seeing as how it's use in the NBA is to help teams acquire players when they're going over the cap.

Anyway FWIW I heard that Flynn like many a pro athlete isn't thrilled with the idea of playing in Cleveland even though it makes perfect sense seeing as how Holmgren is trying to shape that team into one that can run his version of the WCO. Honestly I don't know why the idea that a guy like RGIII can't work in a WCO is floating around but if it keeps the Browns from going after him then I say we try to spread that rumor further.

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[quote=Meks;874771]lmao @ sign and trade deal[/quote]

I had a battle with cancer last year and paid little attention to NFL other than Redskin games. Anyhow the radio talking head said Browns acquired three extra picks in a deal they made last year. Evidently they are quality picks and Packers believe they can solidify their future with this deal. If you can believe sports talk ???, the analyst said the Browns are all-in on the trade if they get a long term deal with Flynn.

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[quote=redskin29633;874777]I had a battle with cancer last year and paid little attention to NFL other than Redskin games. Anyhow the radio talking head said Browns acquired three extra picks in a deal they made last year. Evidently they are quality picks and Packers believe they can solidify their future with this deal. If you can believe sports talk ???, the analyst said the Browns are all-in on the trade if they get a long term deal with Flynn.[/quote]

Hope your ok now.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;874779]Hope your ok now.[/quote]

Thanks; in remission but not cured. Doing reasonably well.

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=redskin29633;874777]I had a battle with cancer last year and paid little attention to NFL other than Redskin games. Anyhow the radio talking head said Browns acquired three extra picks in a deal they made last year. Evidently they are quality picks and Packers believe they can solidify their future with this deal. If you can believe sports talk ???, the analyst said the Browns are all-in on the trade if they get a long term deal with Flynn.[/quote]



glad ur getting better.. my grandfatherhad a similar situation 2 years ago

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;874759]Elite Receivers help you get into the playoffs. Elite QB's help you go all the way. Granted if they decide Matt Flynn is their guy I'll root like hell for them to get Blackmon but RGIII will have a bigger impact on this team then any receiver in the league, including the likes of Fitzgerald, Megatron, and Andre Johnson.[/quote]

Yep. Didn't see any elite receivers on the Patriots 3 super bowl teams and wouldn't consider Plax or Santonio Holmes elite either. Wouldn't even consider The Colts WRs elite when they won it. Manning has made his WRs look better than they are. Just don't like the idea of burning the #6 overall pick on a WR unless they're in the mold of megatron or Andre Johnson. Would like to see some size line up on the outside for us. I'd take Jefferey later on. Even AJ Green is 6'4.

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[quote=redskin29633;874765]FYI my local sports talk radio reported yesterday that Flynn is headed to Cleveland in some kind of sign and trade deal for three of the Browns draft picks.[/quote]


Flynn is a unrestricted free agent. There would only be a signing, no picks involved.


Glad to hear you are doing well with your bought. Keep on fighting the good fight.

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[quote=NC_Skins;874848]Flynn is a unrestricted free agent. There would only be a signing, no picks involved.


Glad to hear you are doing well with your bought. Keep on fighting the good fight.[/quote]

They could franchise him I suppose

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[quote=SmootSmack;874851]They could franchise him I suppose[/quote]

I thought I hear-tell that they were franchising Finley?

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There's talk the Packers will use the franchise tag on Flynn and then trade him, probably not a bad idea.

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[quote=IrMitchell;874855]There's talk the Packers will use the franchise tag on Flynn and then trade him, probably not a bad idea.[/quote]

if thats the case, then i really hope we dont get flynn...

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OK, for the moment, let's assume that GB tags Flynn and then trades him to Cleveland for several draft picks. That would put us in position to land RGIII but I think we would be wise to still try to trade up to get ahead of Tampa.

With a new HC in Tampa, I wouldn't trust that they would not take RGIII. I feel that Cleveland wouldn't need to give up the #4 pick to get Flynn but hey would still like to recoup a pick or two by trading down with the Skins.

The one problem I can foresee with this scenario is if Cleveland wants Richardson and they are afraid that Tampa might draft him. In that case, they would need to stay where they are.

BTW, in my mind, Luck, Kalil, and Blackmon are locks to go in the top three picks. I think that RGIII is going to be taken 4th by somebody. I can't imagine RGIII going any lower than 6th.

My "small miacle" draft scenario:

1. IND - Luck
2. STL - Kalil
3. MIN - Blackmon
4. CLE - Richardson
5. TAM - Claiborne
6. WAS - RGIII

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[quote=SmootSmack;874851]They could franchise him I suppose[/quote]


I don't think they have the cap room, and wouldn't that guarantee him the average of the top 5 paid QBs in the league? They still have to sign Finley. Stranger things have happened really so we'll have to wait and see.

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Stop man, Cleveland isn't stupid. They'll succumb to the mock drafts, the media, the hype and draft RG3. They're more likely to stick with Colt, than sign/trade for Flynn.. Let's be realistic.

Washington has NO chance at drafting RG3 at 6. Absolutely NO chance.

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[quote=NC_Skins;874859]I don't think they have the cap room, and wouldn't that guarantee him the average of the top 5 paid QBs in the league? They still have to sign Finley. Stranger things have happened really so we'll have to wait and see.[/quote]

Do the Packers need to be under the cap at all times or do they just need to be under the cap on a certain date?

Also, if they were to tag and then trade Flynn then couldn't they tag Finley after Flynn is traded?

I don't know the answers to those questions. I'm simply asking anyone who does to educate me on the rules.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;874857]OK, for the moment, let's assume that GB tags Flynn and then trades him to Cleveland for several draft picks. That would put us in position to land RGIII but I think we would be wise to still try to trade up to get ahead of Tampa.

With a new HC in Tampa, I wouldn't trust that they would not take RGIII. I feel that Cleveland wouldn't need to give up the #4 pick to get Flynn but hey would still like to recoup a pick or two by trading down with the Skins.

The one problem I can foresee with this scenario is if Cleveland wants Richardson and they are afraid that Tampa might draft him. In that case, they would need to stay where they are.

BTW, in my mind, Luck, Kalil, and Blackmon are locks to go in the top three picks. I think that RGIII is going to be taken 4th by somebody. I can't imagine RGIII going any lower than 6th.

My "small miacle" draft scenario:

1. IND - Luck
2. STL - Kalil
3. MIN - Blackmon
4. CLE - Richardson
5. TAM - Claiborne
6. WAS - RGIII[/quote]

That would be sweet! I can see Holmgren wanting Flynn, because of the system, and cold weather similarities with Green Bay, and he and/or Green Bay may prefer playing in the AFC vs. playing against his old team. Plus, he had a pretty good experience with another former Green Bay back-up in Hasselback.

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[quote=IrMitchell;874860]Stop man, Cleveland isn't stupid. They'll succumb to the mock drafts, the media, the hype and draft RG3. They're more likely to stick with Colt, than sign/trade for Flynn.. Let's be realistic.

Washington has NO chance at drafting RG3 at 6. Absolutely NO chance.[/quote]

You burst my bubble. You're a meanie!

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[quote=44Deezel;874864]That would be sweet! I can see Holmgren wanting Flynn, [B]because of the system, and cold weather similarities with Green Bay[/B], and he and/or Green Bay may prefer playing in the AFC vs. playing against his old team. [B]Plus, he had a pretty good experience with another former Green Bay back-up in Hasselback.[/B][/quote]

Because of the weather? The system? ... They're in position to draft RG3. The greatest deep thrower I have ever seen in college football, and his speed is at least at Mike Vick's level.

Flynn is not Hasselback. Just like Colt McCoy is not Brett Favre.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;874868]You burst my bubble. You're a meanie![/quote]
I just like to keep things real haha

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;874862]Do the Packers need to be under the cap at all times or do they just need to be under the cap on a certain date?

Also, if they were to tag and then trade Flynn then couldn't they tag Finley after Flynn is traded?

I don't know the answers to those questions. I'm simply asking anyone who does to educate me on the rules.[/quote]


They can only use the tag on one person per year. If they were to use it on Flynn, they wouldn't be able to use it on Finley.

However, if they use it on Flynn, and trade him, they will take a cap hit, if I'm correct, even though he's not on the team. So you would be looking at Green Bay taking a decent cap hit for a guy not on the team, and still having to sign their free agents. I just don't see it happening. I"m not totally positive on the type of cap hit they'll take by franchising and trading. I do know teams can't franchise players with the sole purpose of trading them. I hate bleacher report, but this article is decent on the subject.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1008437-nfl-free-agents-2012-packers-would-be-brilliant-to-sign-and-trade-matt-flynn]2012 NFL Free Agents: Packers Would Be Brilliant to Sign-and-Trade Matt Flynn | Bleacher Report[/url]

This is partly why the Colts will not be able to pay Peyton the $28 million bonus AND trade him. The cap hit they'll take would make it a stupid decision.

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[quote=NC_Skins;874873]They can only use the tag on one person per year. If they were to use it on Flynn, they wouldn't be able to use it on Finley.

However, if they use it on Flynn, and trade him, they will take a cap hit, if I'm correct, even though he's not on the team. So you would be looking at Green Bay taking a decent cap hit for a guy not on the team, and still having to sign their free agents. I just don't see it happening. I"m not totally positive on the type of cap hit they'll take by franchising and trading. I do know teams can't franchise players with the sole purpose of trading them. I hate bleacher report, but this article is decent on the subject.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1008437-nfl-free-agents-2012-packers-would-be-brilliant-to-sign-and-trade-matt-flynn]2012 NFL Free Agents: Packers Would Be Brilliant to Sign-and-Trade Matt Flynn | Bleacher Report[/url]

This is partly why the Colts will not be able to pay Peyton the $28 million bonus AND trade him. The cap hit they'll take would make it a stupid decision.[/quote]

Agreed, it's highly likely this doesn't happen. But, Flynn will not go to Cleveland, Miami or Seattle make sense, but not Cleveland.

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[quote=IrMitchell;874870]Because of the weather? The system? ... They're in position to draft RG3. The greatest deep thrower I have ever seen in college football, and his speed is at least at Mike Vick's level.

Flynn is not Hasselback. Just like Colt McCoy is not Brett Favre.[/quote]

Yeah, I have to admit that you are probably right. [U]But[/U] stranger things have happened in the NFL.

Realistically, I have to admit that the [U]only[/U] way for the Skins to ensure that they will get RGIII is to trade with St. Louis to get the #2 pick.

If we accept that premise and we assume that the Skins want RGIII, then some questions remain:

1. Would St. Louis trade the pick?
2. Would Cleveland trade up to get RGIII?
3. Are there any other teams that would try to trade up for RGIII?
4. Would the Skins be willing and able to outbid all of the other teams?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;874875]Yeah, I have to admit that you are probably right. [U]But[/U] stranger things have happened in the NFL.

Realistically, I have to admit that the [U]only[/U] way for the Skins to ensure that they will get RGIII is to trade with St. Louis to get the #2 pick.

If we accept that premise and we assume that the Skins want RGIII, then some questions remain:

1. Would St. Louis trade the pick?
2. Would Cleveland trade up to get RGIII?
3. Are there any other teams that would try to trade up for RGIII?
4. Would the Skins be willing and able to outbid all of the other teams?[/quote]

1. I think they do if they feel that the drop off in talent from Kalil to Reiff/Martin is worth it. They can't draft either at Seattle's pick, but can at Miami's pick and this should make the Dolphins a factor.
2. No. Why would they? They have needs everywhere, if a team goes up and drafts RG3, they likely get Blackmon... who may even be a BETTER talent. Cleveland has a new GM who likes his draft picks, they made a trade to get more draft picks. They will use the draft picks.
3. Miami. Jets might try, but their pick is too late for St. Lou or Minny.
4. It's weird because RG3 is actually the PERFECT QB for both Shanny's. RG3 can throw deep as well as any college QB Kyle will ever scout, perfect fit. RG3 can throw on the run as well as any college qb Mike will ever scout, perfect fit. It comes down to whether or not the Skins are stubborn in their "gathering picks" mentality, or just think there's a slight chance he drops.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;874875]Yeah, I have to admit that you are probably right. [U]But[/U] stranger things have happened in the NFL.

Realistically, I have to admit that the [U]only[/U] way for the Skins to ensure that they will get RGIII is to trade with St. Louis to get the #2 pick.

If we accept that premise and we assume that the Skins want RGIII, then some questions remain:

1. Would St. Louis trade the pick?
2. Would Cleveland trade up to get RGIII?
3. Are there any other teams that would try to trade up for RGIII?
4. Would the Skins be willing and able to outbid all of the other teams?[/quote]

Good synopsis; my answers in order; 1) yes, 2) yes, 3) yes, 4) no

Even if his combine/personal workouts are avg. I think RGIII is going to blow up in pre-draft hype; he's M. Vick w/brains! I won't be surprised if the debate furthers on RGIII v. LUck.

I think there are other teams that would trade up & I think Cleveland holds the cards. If they really want him I don't see Allen & Shanny going too far in a bidding war. We have a couple extra picks in this draft but that's nothing to what Cleveland has.

If Cleveland isn't interested in trading up, someone else will be this year's 2011 Atlanta; willing to give up 4-5 picks or so to get him. I would be really surprised if this regime is willing to do that. Unless of course, the Danny gets involved! :)