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Cullen Jenkins is the kind of player this defense needs, a good vet who can still get to the QB, stops the run and gets a good pass rush, and knows the 34 defense.

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[quote=IrMitchell;802403]Yes. It either means he was not what the Packers want moving forward which could be for several reasons. Or that he wants too much money and they feel he's not hard to replace.

I've had enough of this free agent DT stuff. It has to end at some point.[/quote]

or this could be a case of a GM thinking too highly of himself. We've seen tons of players move from a team because they weren't deemed necessary anymore and they've gone one to have good careers with their new teams. After a season like the one he had last year, that leads me to believe that is the case. I don't see this being like the Eagles letting Westbrook go or anything of the sort. Jenkins was good all year and there weren't any signs (from what we could see) that would suggest he's slowing down.

of course, it's all about the price being right. BA doesn't like signing players to huge contracts anyways.

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Sure Cullens is a nice player, but if we dont get a NT in there this year, go ahead and expect a replay of last year with teams running the ball down down our throats all day long. Our play last year all the way around was frankly an embarrassement, but I was most embarrassed about getting run on the way we did. Being "out physical" is not a Skins tradition and in order to get the 3-4 right, you gotta get a decent NT.

A 7th round choice and Bryant (mostly unproven) is not gonna cut it IMO. Our only true focus in free agency on the defensive side should be NT.

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[quote=Chico23231;802447]
A 7th round choice and Bryant (mostly unproven) is not gonna cut it IMO. Our only true focus in free agency on the defensive side should be NT.[/quote]

Actually I think they can. Are the dominant Vince Wilfork Pro Bowl type NT's? No, however they're (Neild and Bryant) both capable of taking on double teams and holding the line of scrimage. The main problem at the start of last year was that teams found out in week 2 or 3 that they could block Kemo one one one with a Center on top of the fact that they were able to easily drive Golston off the ball.

Knowing this teams simply ran away from the only quality lineman up front in Carriker. You look at the difference once Kemo and Golston were replaced by Bryant and Holiday and it's like night and day. In fact the switch was a big reason Carrikers production went up in the second half of the season, since teams were no longer able to run away from him. And a big part of that was the play of Bryant.

Now they have Bryant returning to start and another guy that can hold his own in Neild along with Jenkins to keep people off our linebackers. Personally I feel comfotable with our D-Line. Especially when you throw in Kerrigan and Orakpo who are both good at shedding blockers.

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[quote=Chico23231;802447]Sure Cullens is a nice player, but if we dont get a NT in there this year, go ahead and expect a replay of last year with teams running the ball down down our throats all day long. Our play last year all the way around was frankly an embarrassement, but I was most embarrassed about getting run on the way we did. Being "out physical" is not a Skins tradition and in order to get the 3-4 right, you gotta get a decent NT.

A 7th round choice and Bryant (mostly unproven) is not gonna cut it IMO. Our only true focus in free agency on the defensive side should be NT.[/quote]

I'm with you. Bryant is not much more than adequate. And while I like the choice of Neidt, he may end up having the same roller skates that Kemo did.

Good defenses are built up front and especially at the NT position in the 3-4. Our #1 FA priority should be getting the best NT that we can get.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802449]Actually I think they can. Are the dominant Vince Wilfork Pro Bowl type NT's? No, however they're (Neild and Bryant) both capable of taking on double teams and holding the line of scrimage. The main problem at the start of last year was that teams found out in week 2 or 3 that they could block Kemo one one one with a Center on top of the fact that they were able to easily drive Golston off the ball.

Knowing this teams simply ran away from the only quality lineman up front in Carriker. You look at the difference once Kemo and Golston were replaced by Bryant and Holiday and it's like night and day. In fact the switch was a big reason Carrikers production went up in the second half of the season, since teams were no longer able to run away from him. And a big part of that was the play of Bryant.

Now they have Bryant returning to start and another guy that can hold his own in Neild along with Jenkins to keep people off our linebackers. Personally I feel comfotable with our D-Line. Especially when you throw in Kerrigan and Orakpo who are both good at shedding blockers.[/quote]

This!

Although adding Kris Jenkins with a moderate contract (durability?) via FA would make me feel even better.

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I think the biggest mistake Shanahan made in this 3-4 conversion, was to think 4-3 players like Haynesworth and Golston would easily convert to 3-4 d-linemen. The first priority for them should've been to acquire a true NT (which was hard last season) or draft one (T. Cody in the 2nd round).

I do agree with Dirt that we are in good shape now with the d-line, although it would help to get guys like J. Jenkins and Nield to camp. I wouldn't mind picking up a Kris Jenkins at a reasonable price, to tutor the young NTs. Cullen Jenkins would be a huge pick up, and it would solidify our d-line.

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Jenkins is a nice player at NT, but unreliable due to age and injury. Kemo was suppose to be that guy for us already.

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[quote=Ruhskins;802484]I think the biggest mistake Shanahan made in this 3-4 conversion, was to think 4-3 players like Haynesworth and Golston would easily convert to 3-4 d-linemen. The first priority for them should've been to acquire a true NT (which was hard last season) or draft one (T. Cody in the 2nd round).

I do agree with Dirt that we are in good shape now with the d-line, although it would help to get guys like J. Jenkins and Nield to camp. I wouldn't mind picking up a Kris Jenkins at a reasonable price, to tutor the young NTs. Cullen Jenkins would be a huge pick up, and it would solidify our d-line.[/quote]

I'm confused. Are you saying that Shanny was right about converting the 4-3 Bryant to the 3-4?

Or is a 7th round pick (Neild) our NT savior?

Or, lacking these scenarios, don't we still need a NT who is not just a tutor (Kris Jenkins)?

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First to post!

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/11/report-mutual-interest-between-redskins-cullen-jenkins/]Report: Mutual interest between Redskins, Cullen Jenkins | ProFootballTalk[/url]


[QUOTE=Lotus;802491]I'm confused. Are you saying that Shanny was right about converting the 4-3 Bryant to the 3-4?

Or is a 7th round pick (Neild) our NT savior?

Or, lacking these scenarios, don't we still need a NT who is not just a tutor (Kris Jenkins)?[/QUOTE]

If by savior you mean a player that absolutely commands respects and destroys teams that are foolish enough to experiment with one on one blocking then no. However if you mean a guy that will win one on one, draw double teams, and bring those to a stalmate then yes, I feel that Neild is that guy. Nose Tackle isn't a very... difficult position to train people. It's more about being strong willed and fighting then it is about skill.

For now though I view Neild similarly to Chris Hoke of the Steelers. Yes they love having Casey Hampton at the nose but they know when he's injured or needs a rest they're in good hands with him. Also if you look at some of the guys starting at Nose Tackle in this league a good amount of them are in fact late round picks. (meaning rounds 4-7).

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Jenkins would be a nice pickup for sure.

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[quote=Mattyk;802495]Jenkins would be a nice pickup for sure.[/quote]

Now all we have to do is add both Kris and Cullen and let the marketing department do the rest of the work.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802493]First to post!

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/11/report-mutual-interest-between-redskins-cullen-jenkins/]Report: Mutual interest between Redskins, Cullen Jenkins | ProFootballTalk[/url]




If by savior you mean a player that absolutely commands respects and destroys teams that are foolish enough to experiment with one on one blocking then no. However if you mean a guy that will win one on one, draw double teams, and bring those to a stalmate then yes, I feel that Neild is that guy. Nose Tackle isn't a very... difficult position to train people. It's more about being strong willed and fighting then it is about skill.

For now though I view Neild similarly to Chris Hoke of the Steelers. Yes they love having Casey Hampton at the nose but they know when he's injured or needs a rest they're in good hands with him. Also if you look at some of the guys starting at Nose Tackle in this league a good amount of them are in fact late round picks. (meaning rounds 4-7).[/quote]

I would argue differently. Look at Hampton (Steelers), Cody and Ngata (Ravens), Kris Jenkins and then their first two picks this year (Jets). These guys were all drafted high. The good 3-4 teams all invest high picks at NT. Yes, they may use low rounders to add depth. But a good 3-4 always has a stud starter at NT rather than a late-round fill-in. The poor 3-4 defenses are poor in part because they don't invest in a NT.

We need a stud NT.

BTW I am not arguing against getting Cullen Jenkins if the price is right. We also need help at DE and he would be a good acquisition.

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[quote] "A 7th round choice and Bryant (mostly unproven) is not gonna cut it IMO. Our only true focus in free agency on the defensive side should be NT". [unquote]

I have no problem with the possibility of Cullen Jenkins becoming a Redskin. In all fairness to our young players looking to be developed, I'm mindful of the fact that every successful player now in the NFL was at some point in his career "unproven". I do have a fondness for players looking to prove themselves, especially when it's with the team that drafted them. That fact alone is important to those driven by the desire to succeed.

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[quote=Lotus;802499]I would argue differently. Look at Hampton (Steelers), Cody and Ngata (Ravens), Kris Jenkins and then their first two picks this year (Jets). These guys were all drafted high. The good 3-4 teams all invest high picks at NT. Yes, they may use low rounders to add depth. But a good 3-4 always has a stud starter at NT rather than a late-round fill-in. The poor 3-4 defenses are poor in part because they don't invest in a NT.

We need a stud NT.

BTW I am not arguing against getting Cullen Jenkins if the price is right. We also need help at DE and he would be a good acquisition.[/quote]

Why do you hate Cullen Jenkins. We need help at DE, especially if the price is right. Why are you saying it would be "the worst acquisition's in the history of football?"

By the way how do the quotes work on that last sentence. I mean I'm asking a question but I'm ending it with a quote that's a statement. Is it like this [B]football?[/B]" or [B]football"?[/B]

Anyway if we want a veteran I would suggest Jamaal Williams. He's from the area and has been an elite NT in the past, I'm imagining that he's still good and the reason he was released by the Bronco's was due to their switch to a 4-3. Don't want Kris Jenkins though as we don't need another former Panther space eater with lower body problems.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802507]Why do you hate Cullen Jenkins. We need help at DE, especially if the price is right. Why are you saying it would be "the worst acquisition's in the history of football?"

By the way how do the quotes work on that last sentence. I mean I'm asking a question but I'm ending it with a quote that's a statement. Is it like this [B]football?[/B]" or [B]football"?[/B]

Anyway if we want a veteran I would suggest Jamaal Williams. He's from the area and has been an elite NT in the past, I'm imagining that he's still good and the reason he was released by the Bronco's was due to their switch to a 4-3. Don't want Kris Jenkins though as we don't need another former Panther space eater with lower body problems.[/quote]

I have been misquoted before but you take it to a new level. :)

Williams might not be bad but like KJenkins he's getting long in the tooth. Aubrayo Franklin would kick some butt but he's 30 and likely will demand $$$$.

I think we should get Brandon Mebane - young, very capable, and likely not too expensive. We can add Cullen Jenkins, too. Then our DL will morph from perhaps the weakest unit on the team to a strong unit which will free Rak and Kerrigan to do the voodoo that they do so well.

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I dunno, it seems like NT can be filled either with low rounders like Franklin and Garay or high rounders like Raji, Hampton, etc. So all these guys must have a certain skillset that makes the successful at NT despite their large perceived differences. Here's hoping Neild has that skillset.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;802533]I dunno, it seems like NT can be filled either with low rounders like Franklin and Garay or high rounders like Raji, Hampton, etc. So all these guys must have a certain skillset that makes the successful at NT despite their large perceived differences. Here's hoping Neild has that skillset.[/quote]

Someone PLEASE explain Franklin to me. Is he franchised or not? Because if he's not then he should be a top priority.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802640]Someone PLEASE explain Franklin to me. Is he franchised or not? Because if he's not then he should be a top priority.[/quote]

Thank you PFT for explaining this to me before my PEERS.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/13/aubrayo-franklin-should-get-monster-deal-when-lockout-ends/]Aubrayo Franklin should get monster deal when lockout ends | ProFootballTalk[/url]
[quote]Franklin has been a fine run stopper the last two years. The Redskins figure to be at the top of the list of teams that show interest in him. The Jets, Texans, Broncos, Vikings, and Seahawks also have a need, with the 3-4 teams making the most sense.
[/quote]

Are you guys happy now. PFT just became more helpful then ALL OF YOU combined.

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Props to you for finding your own answer rather than relying on your worthless peers. ;)

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802678]Thank you PFT for explaining this to me before my PEERS.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/13/aubrayo-franklin-should-get-monster-deal-when-lockout-ends/]Aubrayo Franklin should get monster deal when lockout ends | ProFootballTalk[/url]


Are you guys happy now. PFT just became more helpful then ALL OF YOU combined.[/quote]

Of course, you are relying on PFT so maybe your peers just knew to keep quiet :cheeky-sm

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I was just going to post what Dirtbag posted; Franklin being one of our top FA priorities.

Him, Cullen Jenkins, Ryan Harris, Lyle Sendline, and Davin Joseph would look good in skin uniforms, however, we shouldn't sign all these guys, since we need to build through the draft.

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I'm okay signing all of them given they are to short contracts with not a huge guaranteed amount of money and/or huge signing bonus like a Cerrato-esque FA signing would be. Allen knows how to write a contract up so I am no longer worried about that issue. If we aren't shelling out long terms and high guarantees, I say bring 'em on, the more the merrier.

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[quote=Mattyk;802680]Props to you for finding your own answer rather than relying on your worthless peers. ;)[/quote]

Thank you Matty. I don't mean to be critical of others but this group we have right now is just worthless. Are you guys retarted? I don't mean to be unfairly critical but I honestly think that none of you got past 2nd grade. You are blights on society. Again not being critical but you guys are nothing without me.

[quote=CultBrennan59;802734]I was just going to post what Dirtbag posted; Franklin being one of our top FA priorities.

Him, Cullen Jenkins, Ryan Harris, Lyle Sendline, and Davin Joseph would look good in skin uniforms, however, we shouldn't sign all these guys, since we need to build through the draft.[/quote]


Franklin may not be the ideal ideal cut diamond like Paul Soliai but he does count as an ideal cut. He's the type of player where he's going to remind teams that Centers are usually their worst blockers and by not double teaming him you're risking a play in the backfield.

I will not blink if this teams backs up the money truck for Franklin

Carriker-J. Jenkins
Franklin-Neild-Bryant
C. Jenkins-Daniels-Holiday

Great rotation there and our linebackers suddenly don't have to pay roaming chargers. Every last one of those guys is capable of playing 2 gap defense.

By the way does anyone realize that Cullen Jenkins got 7 sacks last year as a 3-4 end?

[B]Ryan Harris[/B] - Brown/Harris is probably a harder decision then Young/Beck. Brown has the higher ceiling and is capable of playing LT if god forbid something happens to Trent.

Harris on the other hand is younger and has experience in this system. However Harris has been oft injured lately and only played 16 games once in 4 years. I'm hoping that part of the reason he missed so many is McDaniels bias against zone blockers but I think it had more to do with injury.

In the end Harris/Brown is a situation where you will be dead in the water if you end up with neither player. I think Gaither is the failsafe option but I think I would prefer Brown mainly because I know he's healthy again and he's also the better player.

[B]Lyle Sendline [/B]- Guilty by association. Cardinals have one of the worst O-Lines in the league so when I see one listed I find myself skeptical. However [url=http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2010/08/09/20100809arizona-cardinals-center-lyle-sendlein.html]Arizona Cardinals center Lyle Sendlein flourishes in anonymity[/url]. Sadly though I think this team plans on staying with Rabach on top of the fact that we already have 4 centers, 5 if you count Silverback (Cook, Kory L, Montgomery, Rabach).

[B]Davin Joesph [/B]- Want him on this team so badly. Even more then Franklin and Jenkins combined. However when the lockout is lifted we're likely to see 2010 rules which means theres now a 95% chance Joesph gets tendered.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802752]Thank you Matty. I don't mean to be critical of others but this group we have right now is just worthless. Are you guys [B]retarted[/B]? I don't mean to be unfairly critical but I honestly think that none of you got past 2nd grade. You are blights on society. Again not being critical but you guys are nothing without me.[/quote]

We are not retarded in our spelling abilities, unlike other people. :)

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[quote=Lotus;802753]We are not retarded in our spelling abilities, unlike other people. :)[/quote]

You are dome. I dont like you. Your stupid

[I]"Wait do I own the stupid."[/I]

What do you mean.

[I]"Well you typed 'your stupid' which claims ownership. 'You're stupid' means you are stupid."[/I]

Whatever. your stupid.

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Any thoughts on Big Al in Philly?


[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/05/12/wyche-eagles-a-fit-for-haynesworth/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Wyche: Eagles a fit for Haynesworth? «[/url]


I'd almost be willing to give him to a division rival just to get rid of him. Hopefully it will work out as well as the McNabb deal did for us...payback in a way.

I could see Haynesworth and the Philly fans really turning on each other and getting very ugly fast, which would be very entertaining.

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Akers' top 2 possible landing spots: Skins and Dallas.

[URL="http://www.nj.com/sports/times/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1305438314313111.xml&coll=5"]Akers could stay within NFC East - NJ.com[/URL]


Also, we may target a new punter in Maynard from the Bears, but I think people are forgetting about Bidwell when healthy.

[url=http://twitter.com/#!/Russellmania980/statuses/69175226734358528]Twitter[/url]

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Hmmmm...
Akers played one game for us back in 98. Two attempts 2 misses.
Two years later he's 33/29.
:doh:
He potentially has four years left on him.
I'd have more confidence in him than Gano.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;803019]Hmmmm...
Akers played one game for us back in 98. Two attempts 2 misses.
Two years later he's 33/29.
[/quote]


Say what?

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Check it yourself.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/davidakers/profile?id=AKE551610]David Akers, K for the Philadelphia Eagles at NFL.com[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/1998.htm]1998 Washington Redskins Statistics & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

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[quote=Alvin Walton;803137]Check it yourself.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/davidakers/profile?id=AKE551610]David Akers, K for the Philadelphia Eagles at NFL.com[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/1998.htm]1998 Washington Redskins Statistics & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url][/quote]

so your point, I believe, is that Akers developed into an excellent kicker, and we let him get away, so now near the end of his career we should let another young kicker go, so that we can bring Akers back. Does that mean I can pencil in Gano for our 2020 season?

Just saying, Gano showed some potential, his name means win(absolutely no bearing but still cool), and he is young enough that if he "gets it" he could be our solution for 10 years.

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No, basically my point is that I was surprised that Akers was at one time a Redskin.

Gano makes me nervous but I could live with him for another year and see if he turns into Chip Lohmiller..
I would be less nervous if we picked up Akers but yea, we would not have a 10 year solution or whatever.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;803139]so your point, I believe, is that Akers developed into an excellent kicker, and we let him get away, so now near the end of his career we should let another young kicker go, so that we can bring Akers back. Does that mean [B]I can pencil in Gano for our 2020 season?[/B]

Just saying, Gano showed some potential, his name means win(absolutely no bearing but still cool), and he is young enough that if he "gets it" he could be our solution for 10 years.[/quote]

lol!
seriously, Gano has a strong leg & could be the guy for us for years to come. I'm glad Shanny has been patient w/him. If he's missing kicks that keep us out of the playoffs that's one thing, but as this team stands now, kicker might as well be added to the list of positions the staff is developing w/young talent.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;803137]Check it yourself.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/davidakers/profile?id=AKE551610"]David Akers, K for the Philadelphia Eagles at NFL.com[/URL]

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/1998.htm"]1998 Washington Redskins Statistics & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL][/quote]

I know he was a Redskin but your comment still makes no sense, at least in English.

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Whats not to make sense?
I just pointed out he was formerly a Redskin.
He had one bad game (for which he apparently was a temporary fill in) and he was gone.
Two years later he turned out to be a very good kicker.

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It doesn't make sense because 33/29 isn't possible, obviously you meant 29/33

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FGA 33
FGM 29

Thats the order NFL.com has it listed in.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;803175]FGA 33
FGM 29

Thats the order NFL.com has it listed in.[/quote]

That doesn't mean you list it in that order. made always goes before attempt. You made it sound like he made 33 and only attempted 29. Man we are really fishing for stuff to talk about aren't we? I hate these bastards that won't get this lockout over with.

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[quote=SkinzWin;803261]That doesn't mean you list it in that order. made always goes before attempt. You made it sound like he made 33 and only attempted 29. Man we are really fishing for stuff to talk about aren't we? I hate these bastards that won't get this lockout over with.[/quote]

Yes we are discussing basic math right now. Gotta love the lockout