Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1182917]Wow! He did quit, then. I can hardly believe he said that.[/quote]

He is basically saying he didn't even want Breeland to make that play. He would rather of had Chargers score another TD. What a joke.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1182917]Wow! He did quit, then. I can hardly believe he said that.[/quote]

Yeah and u can tell by his pressure that he is ready to leave, he knows the team has quit on him.

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I've noticed when Jon does our games on MNF he's very critical of the organization, he's said negative things about us more than any other team.. I think there is something to that, maybe that is a hidden message for his brother?

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I need to change my vote. My rationale was that the team hadn't quit on him, but that is long gone after these last two losses. Sad day.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1182918]Yeah, looks like I was wrong about McVay. He has the Rams looking like a legit team in 1 season while we're having a fire our coach discussion.

Great job by the Rams organization to get their guy.[/quote]

The Rams aren't a dumpster fire like The Redskins either. If McVay had stayed here and taken over as coach then he wouldn't look like the boy genius he is because this Front Office trips up all their coaches.

If Snyder doesn't have a viable candidate in mind then sacking Gruden would be asinine. This season has been awash due to injuries and letting key players go with no one to step up and fill their shoes. Jay has dropped the ball the last two games but he has shown overall to be a solid to good coach. Under Snyder that's the best we can get. :(

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[quote=Bishop Hammer;1182980]The Rams aren't a dumpster fire like The Redskins either. If McVay had stayed here and taken over as coach then he wouldn't look like the boy genius he is because this Front Office trips up all their coaches.

If Snyder doesn't have a viable candidate in mind then sacking Gruden would be asinine. This season has been awash due to injuries and letting key players go with no one to step up and fill their shoes. Jay has dropped the ball the last two games but he has shown overall to be a solid to good coach. Under Snyder that's the best we can get. :([/quote]

I shared roughly the same position as yours on Gruden's future here until I learned that he gave up trying to win during the Chargers game - an act that infuriated the players. In his post-game comments to the Press, he even admitted that he gave up trying to win. If a so-called "players coach" has lost the trust of the players by quitting on them, then what is the FO to do?

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I'm not sure what experienced head coach would look at the Redskins organization and say "I want to go there." That means the hire would be another head coach with no head coaching experience and I really don't see how the result would be any different than what has been experienced these past few years with Gruden. Gruden now is an experienced head coach and I think at some point the Skins have to bite the bullet and stick with one of their head coach choices.

Gruden isn't perfect but no head coach is and this organization has been being destroyed for the past 20 years so no coach is going to turn this mess around in 3 or 4 years. I think they should keep Gruden and see what happens.

Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread
 

If we lose these last 3 games and aren’t competitive I can understand JG being on the hot seat.

Otherwise bring him back.

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[quote=MTK;1182985]If we lose these last 3 games and aren’t competitive I can understand JG being on the hot seat.

Otherwise bring him back.[/quote]

Let's think through this for a second.

His squad goes out and lays two complete eggs in a row against Dallas and the Chargers. The last three games they look much more competitive, and go 1-2 or 2-1.

Are you willing to overlook the two eggs laid against Dallas and the Chargers? If so, I'm curious why.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1182988]Let's think through this for a second.



His squad goes out and lays two complete eggs in a row against Dallas and the Chargers. The last three games they look much more competitive, and go 1-2 or 2-1.



Are you willing to overlook the two eggs laid against Dallas and the Chargers? If so, I'm curious why.[/QUOTE]


Because laying two eggs late in the season won’t overshadow all the injuries and the fact we were generally more competitive than not all year.

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[quote=MTK;1182985]If we lose these last 3 games and aren’t competitive I can understand JG being on the hot seat.

Otherwise bring him back.[/quote]

We'll see how the team responds the next 3 games, if we win out and go 8-8 I agree give him one more shot, if we stink it up and go 6-10 or 5-11 he's gone.

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"We have to study the film after practice like we do," Gruden said. "We're putting the plans in, we're studying, we're practicing, we're watching the tape and they should be prepared, but for whatever reason, it doesn't look that way."

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[QUOTE=MTK;1182990]Because laying two eggs late in the season won’t overshadow all the injuries and the fact we were generally more competitive than not all year.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I'm really pissed at Jay for quitting in the Chargers game and admitting to it.

However let's not forget about the Seahawks game, the Saints game, the Chiefs game, the Rams game etc...

The previous 2 seasons and this team being competitive through all the injuries (until 2 weeks ago that is) are enough to give him another shot: he's not perfect but he may very well be a lot better than who we'd end up with if he's fired.

As Irish said above, this place isn't especially appealing to a good HC right now... And canning the only coach who came close to building something good in the last 20 years or so wouldn't help improve the image of this organisation in the eyes of a competent candidate.

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[quote=MTK;1182990]Because laying two eggs late in the season won’t overshadow all the injuries and the fact we were generally more competitive than not all year.[/quote]

Yet these two eggs are coming at a time when we're healthier than we were against New Orleans and Seattle.

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There are few things in life where no second chance is deserved as far as I am concerned. Giving up like Gruden did is one of those.

49er coach Steve Mariucci pulled a similar stunt, down 28-6 with a 2nd & 1 at his own 40 with two timeouts and :50 left he let the clock run down and then had Jeff Garcia take a knee before halftime. That was in a play-off game in the 2002 season. I was in a sports bar packed with 49er fans, they were angry as hell, Mariucci got himself immediately fired and the 49ers didn't even have a replacement in mind, they just wanted his sorry ass gone for that stunt.

I feel the same way, I don't want to see Gruden on the Redskin sideline anymore or listen to him talk, he did a pathetic unforgivable act.