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[QUOTE=Mattyk;891558]Late hits happen in the natural course of the game, sure, but if there's extra motivation behind those hits in terms of a cash incentive, that's when there's a problem.



You really don't see what's wrong with this picture? You have no problem with bounties??[/QUOTE]





Bounty is the quilted quicker picker upper!!

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[quote=GMScud;891545]Where do you draw the line? From what I understand, the investigation found that bonuses were higher if you knocked an opponent out for the game. With how fast football moves, how can you differentiate trying to knock someone out for a game, season, or career? What, their LB's say, hey, I'm just gonna sprain his knee a little bit? Please man.[/quote]

I haven't seen any Saints players twisting anyone knees. That's silly. First of all if they're caught the penalty is too severe. The fine from the league would surpass any cash from the team's pot. GW isn't going around telling his guys to intentionally hurt a guy and Sharper backed that up. If you knock someone out of the game then so be it....as long as it's a clean hit.

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[quote=skinsfan69;891578]I haven't seen any Saints players twisting anyone knees. That's silly. First of all if they're caught the penalty is too severe. The fine from the league would surpass any cash from the team's pot. [B]GW isn't going around telling his guys to intentionally hurt a guy and Sharper backed that up. If you knock someone out of the game then so be it....as long as it's a clean hit[/B].[/quote]


Are you serious? GW started a bounty program that gave EXTRA rewards for knocking key players out of the game. Is knocking someone out of a game not hurting them?

As long as it's a clean hit, huh? You're high as a kite if you really think GW said, hey, let's knock Kurt Warner's ass out of this ball game, I'll pay you thousands for, but gosh darn it, it better be clean! LOL. Yeah. Unless it's a random accident like, for example, when a guy's foot gets stuck in the turf and his knee gets all twisted up when tackled, guys typically don't get knocked out of a game on a clean hit or form tackle. What does typically knock guys out of games are head shots, giving QB's that extra drive into the turf on a sack, tackling a guy at his knees, etc etc. And hey, if you did that in GW's defense, you get extra cheddar. It might draw a flag, but that dude's hurt, and you get that bounty. That's all good, right? :doh:

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[quote=skinsfan69;891541][/B]

[B]Yes to inflict pain. That's football. Right? Guys on the Saints were not trying to end anyone's career. [/B][/quote]

and you know this because you talked to them, right? each and every one?

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/gregg-williams-redskins-played-an-ugly-game-with-bounties/2012/03/03/gIQAZ6zZpR_story.html]Gregg Williams, Redskins played an ugly game with bounties - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;891578][B]I haven't seen any Saints players twisting anyone knees. That's silly.[/B] First of all if they're caught the penalty is too severe. The fine from the league would surpass any cash from the team's pot. GW isn't going around telling his guys to intentionally hurt a guy and Sharper backed that up. If you knock someone out of the game then so be it....as long as it's a clean hit.[/quote]

Hmm. Not so silly it seems.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82535c4d/article/peterson-is-latest-opponent-to-call-out-saints-for-dirty-play]NFL.com news: Peterson is latest opponent to call out Saints for dirty play[/url]

AP: [I]"Guys are going to try to take their shots when we're on the pile and try to twist it up and things like that.[/I] [I]"I felt like it kind of got overboard. I got up and kind of got in his face. Thank God I was able to keep my composure."[/I]


Maybe Darren Sharper shouldn't be believed:


[I]Peterson's accusations come one week after members of the Titans called Saints safety [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/romanharper/profile?id=HAR293034"]Roman Harper[/URL] dirty for his play during the [URL="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011121109/2011/REG14/saints@titans"]New Orleans' 22-17 win[/URL]. The NFL fined Harper $15,000 for roughing the passer on a helmet-to-helmet hit in that game and another $7,500 for unnecessary roughness.[/I]

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This is getting ugly for Williams

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/nfl-will-now-investigate-redskins-bounty-program/]NFL will now investigate Redskins bounty program | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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i feel there is no way gw was the only guy out there running a program like this. and it's not all that surprising to me that something like this would be going on. i'm sure it has gotten toned down in the past few years but it's time for it to be over with at this point in time. we now know way too much about the effects of the game on these players bodies. if the game has to be tweaked for player safety then so be it. i think the nfl's punishment will be a stiff one and should be. if they want to put a stop to this then do it, don't fine players and then let the coaches and staffs get off light.

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[quote=GMScud;891512]He was using the phrase "kill shots." How anyone can be arguing that this is on the up and up is funny and stupid.

He wanted to knock out the top players on the opponents offense, and likened doing so to cutting off the head of a snake. He wanted the opponents best players out of the game, plain and simple. That doesn't mean he didn't reward good play that wasn't dirty- a la Philip Daniels getting $1500 for 4 sacks- but to encourage "kill shots" is deplorable. You're talking about peoples lives and livelihood. Football is dangerous enough without that kind of thuggery.

I mean, Williams himself apologized for it, called it a mistake, and said he knew it was wrong while he was doing it. Like you said, if the main culprit admitted it and said he was wrong, what else is there to defend?

Those of you excusing any of this should just stop. You're lowering the overall IQ of this message board.[/quote]

Okay I completely agree with you that what is going on is wrong. My point is if it is wrong no matter what, intentional injury or not, and this is going on all over the league for a long time, shouldn't every team in the league involved get in trouble, not just the Saints? That's like jailing the ring leader of a gang of murders and letting the rest go free.

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Bills might be next. At most the Redskins may face a monetary fine, if that. Saints main issue is they knew, were warned, and didn't stop it. Not the case with the Redskins

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[quote=Mattyk;891618]This is getting ugly for Williams

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/nfl-will-now-investigate-redskins-bounty-program/]NFL will now investigate Redskins bounty program | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

i feel for him on some level, but he put himself in this situation, and the leauge has almost forced their hand based on the way they have been fining players.

smootsmack do you have any idea of when a punishment will be dealt? and any more details on what it may be?

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i never broke anyone's bones on purpose. my intent was to make a tackle, that's all. i can sleep at night

after i've screamed myself to sleep

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[quote=Mattyk;891618]This is getting ugly for Williams

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/nfl-will-now-investigate-redskins-bounty-program/"]NFL will now investigate Redskins bounty program | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]

Yeah, it's becoming less and less likely that he'll be coaching on the Rams' staff week 1.

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[quote=SkinzWin;891624]Okay I completely agree with you that what is going on is wrong. My point is if it is wrong no matter what, intentional injury or not, and this is going on all over the league for a long time, shouldn't every team in the league involved get in trouble, not just the Saints? That's like jailing the ring leader of a gang of murders and letting the rest go free.[/quote]

The Saints are different from the other murderers because they were warned and kept on going. The other murderers are stealthy.

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[quote=SmootSmack;891626]Bills might be next. At most the Redskins may face a monetary fine, if that. Saints main issue is they knew, were warned, and didn't stop it. Not the case with the Redskins[/quote]

Yep kinda thought they would too.. wonder if the titans and jags are lying and denying anything happened when he was with them.


[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8275de8b/article/williams-reportedly-also-ran-bounty-system-as-bills-head-coach]NFL.com news: Williams reportedly also ran 'bounty' system as Bills' head coach[/url]