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[URL="https://www.wbtv.com/2020/05/04/man-wears-kkk-hood-southern-california-grocery-store/"]Man wears KKK hood at Southern California grocery store[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1251474][URL="https://www.wbtv.com/2020/05/04/man-wears-kkk-hood-southern-california-grocery-store/"]Man wears KKK hood at Southern California grocery store[/URL][/quote]

Shocking this isn’t “a Florida man” opening

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[quote=Chico23231;1251472]I’m not defending the tactics, I’m just pointing out the same exact tactics used by both sides period. [B]What SS is trying to do is trying to excuse one side versus the others.[/B]..you have to think objectively and not be tribal about it. If your gonna parse out that one person, with that one slogan and then paint the entire movement of people wanting to get back to work to feed families, pay rent, etc....that’s simply not being intellectually honest.[/quote]

No, thats not the point I was making. Its a pretty easy benign point I was trying to make. Perhaps it was a useless point.

The point I was making was that, imo, a person who makes a homemade sign saying "heil (democrat)" or "heil (republican)" is not a nazi imo, they just used poor judgment in getting their point across.

But a person who already owns a manufactured nazi flag or giving the nazi salute .. is a nazi imo.

I dont think every person who protested in Michigan is a nazi. I dont think the lady with a homemade "Heil Pritzker" is a nazi. I think the other people there with their nazi flags and doing nazi salutes are nazis.

I cant write it out any clearer.

Is this making any sense to anyone?

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As this gets politicized more and more, which by the way we really need to resist because science doesn't give a fuck if you're republican or democrat, just remember:

Opening up the states does not mean the virus is gone, it only means that the government thinks it will have room for your ass at the hospital.

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Here's the Rona watching the US re-open

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[quote=mooby;1251455]I would hope we can all agree on that but Chico seems to handling their defense pro-bono.

Ironic how people choose to use flags and imagery of nazi Germany to protest their freedom being restricted.[/quote]

shhhhhhhhhhhh, chico might hear you.

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[quote=MTK;1251474][URL="https://www.wbtv.com/2020/05/04/man-wears-kkk-hood-southern-california-grocery-store/"]Man wears KKK hood at Southern California grocery store[/URL][/quote]

I think it was the guy's way of protesting being told to wear a mask. Obviously in poor taste.

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[quote=Chico23231;1251472]I’m not defending the tactics, I’m just pointing out the same exact tactics used by both sides period. What SS is trying to do is trying to excuse one side versus the others...you have to think objectively and not be tribal about it. If your gonna parse out that one person, with that one slogan and then paint the entire movement of people wanting to get back to work to feed families, pay rent, etc....that’s simply not being intellectually honest.[/quote]

I think SS was in no way trying to compare all people who want to get back to work to Nazis. It's embarrassing that we even have to have this discussion. And btw, you do the same shit. One far-left ignoramus opens their mouth and you juxtapose it to think all the libs are on board with the cause. We're all aware that all Republicans aren't Nazi's, but I'm damn sure willing to bet all Nazi's vote Republican. That's why Trump uses language like "fine people on both sides", because he wants the vote, even if the person casting it prefers a white-ethnostate.

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[quote=MTK;1251484]Here's the Rona watching the US re-open

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I like this one better:

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[quote=mooby;1251500]I think SS was in no way trying to compare all people who want to get back to work to Nazis. It's embarrassing that we even have to have this discussion. And btw, you do the same shit. One far-left ignoramus opens their mouth and you juxtapose it to think all the libs are on board with the cause. We're all aware that all Republicans aren't Nazi's, but I'm damn sure willing to bet all Nazi's vote Republican. That's why Trump uses language like "fine people on both sides", because he wants the vote, even if the person casting it prefers a white-ethnostate.[/quote]

.000000000001 % of the population who want some white ethnostate, something that’s never been or ever will be,...how is that going? Not so well, right?

But on the other hand, you have a mayor of the largest city in the country and sitting Congress people who are anti Semitics, have ties with anti Semitics movements, making anti Jewish statements...it seems like to me those people in actual positions of power and whose views fall more in line with actual Nazis you would have a problem with?

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chico, your agenda of hate is running deep ,you need to see someone.

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[quote=Giantone;1251522]chico, your agenda of hate is running deep ,you need to see someone.[/quote]

Lol...no hate here...but I think Mooby and I have had these same rabbit hole arguments several times.

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[quote=Chico23231;1251391]It’s just important to remember the people dividing the country who have prominent platforms are far from the moral the authority about anything with the real people who live in this country. Kimmel doesn’t have to feed a family with ramen noodles or negotiate rent bc they can’t work. Kimmel doesn’t understand that people who are suffering with cancer can’t get in home care because of the severe risk of catching the virus.[/quote]

Evidently Kimmel gets it, your tangerine wacko in the WH doesn't.


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[URL="https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/08/monthly-payments-2000-coronavirus-243670"]Democratic senators propose $2,000 monthly payments to most Americans[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1251626][URL="https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/08/monthly-payments-2000-coronavirus-243670"]Democratic senators propose $2,000 monthly payments to most Americans[/URL][/quote]

I would love it but I think McConnell and co. would rather shoot Kamala Harris in the face and go out on death row then even think about agreeing to that.

Giving money to idiot poor people? Vs. giving it to corporations who pour it back into the economy via stock buybacks and executive bonuses? Who came up with that dipshit idea?

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I still haven’t got my first check. Went with a new accountant this year and he paper filed vs e filed and put my address as 6710 instead of 6701. I got my fed and state refund as the mail person put it in my mailbox and not 6710 ... but now I’m not sure the mail person caught the mistake this time around.

What sucks is if that check never appears I highly doubt there’s a place to request a replacement check.

Fuck this new accountant. Sorry for the language.

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[quote=SunnySide;1251642]I still haven’t got my first check. Went with a new accountant this year and he paper filed vs e filed and put my address as 6710 instead of 6701. I got my fed and state refund as the mail person put it in my mailbox and not 6710 ... but now I’m not sure the mail person caught the mistake this time around.

What sucks is if that check never appears I highly doubt there’s a place to request a replacement check.

Fuck this new accountant. Sorry for the language.[/quote]

Be polite to him until there's no need to be. Put it on him, and if he can't do anything go to the IRS. There has to be a hotline or something you can call, it's not like you're the only one missing a check.

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I’m going to give the irs website my direct deposit information ... which seems a bit shady tbh. I’m sure the Chinese govt has that hacked.

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[quote=SunnySide;1251652]I’m going to give the irs website my direct deposit information ... which seems a bit shady tbh. I’m sure the Chinese govt has that hacked.[/quote]

You're not wrong lol. Gov't IT security infrastructure always seems to be a step or two behind the hackers.

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[quote=MTK;1251626][URL="https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/08/monthly-payments-2000-coronavirus-243670"]Democratic senators propose $2,000 monthly payments to most Americans[/URL][/quote]

I would say yes but only to people or households where a job has been loss or furloughed. That money then would work to reduce/eliminate unemployment benefits paid by the state to ease those budgets. Essentially that is the bailout works twofold. It doesn’t make sense to hand out money to people who haven’t been financially impacted...I want my tax money to go to those in need, not just handed out to people who don’t. Also I don’t want my tax money to go to people who just to collect unemployment and not return to work as jobs return either.

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[quote=MTK;1251626][URL="https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/08/monthly-payments-2000-coronavirus-243670"]Democratic senators propose $2,000 monthly payments to most Americans[/URL][/quote]

[quote=Chico23231;1251667]I would say yes but only to people or households where a job has been loss or furloughed. That money then would work to reduce/eliminate unemployment benefits paid by the state to ease those budgets. Essentially that is the bailout works twofold. It doesn’t make sense to hand out money to people who haven’t been financially impacted...I want my tax money to go to those in need, not just handed out to people who don’t. Also I don’t want my tax money to go to people who just to collect unemployment and not return to work as jobs return either.[/quote]

Also no one should be paid more to stay home than to work. Plenty of stories where part timers and low hourly wage workers made more to stay home because of the added $600 fed money a week + state benefits. Business owners got loans to open back up and the employees were angered and did not want to go back to work.

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[quote=mooby;1251633]I would love it but I think McConnell and co. would rather shoot Kamala Harris in the face and go out on death row then even think about agreeing to that.

Giving money to idiot poor people? Vs. giving it to corporations who pour it back into the economy via stock buybacks and executive bonuses? Who came up with that dipshit idea?[/quote]

If you keep making sense we're going to have to shut this thing down!

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1251667]I would say yes but only to people or households where a job has been loss or furloughed. That money then would work to reduce/eliminate unemployment benefits paid by the state to ease those budgets. Essentially that is the bailout works twofold. It doesn’t make sense to hand out money to people who haven’t been financially impacted...I want my tax money to go to those in need, not just handed out to people who don’t. Also I don’t want my tax money to go to people who just to collect unemployment and not return to work as jobs return either.[/QUOTE]


Don’t know about you, but even though I don’t “need it” I’d sure as hell spend it. Isn’t that the idea of a stimulus


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If they're handing out 2K a month I'm not getting punished for working. Give me my 2K. I'm middle class. Make just enough to get by and put a bit into my 401K and HSA. And that's cause I live with roommates. If I rented a place by myself my housing costs would at least double and I'd be struggling. Could definitely use some extra money to put away. I'd spend good chunk of it too. Have already been ordering food delivery 3 or 4 times a week.

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[quote=MTK;1251675]Don’t know about you, but even though I don’t “need it” I’d sure as hell spend it. Isn’t that the idea of a stimulus


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I would definitely save it. Chico’s right, there would be serious diminishing returns by giving it to everyone. It should go to the unemployed.

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I find it odd people have a problem with individuals getting stimulus checks to "stimulate the economy" but there wasn't a big out cry when Boeing got 50 billion or the Kennedy Center got 30 million from the last stimulus bill . Like others have said if it is to the "people" fine . I'm retired and have a small pt job but this will cause my heath Insurance to go up(I'll spend it on that) ...I should be able to use this money as I see fit ,save it spend it , what ever.

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The more people who decide to save it, the lesser the intended impact on the economy. The point of a stimulus is to get money flowing around the economy quickly, or grease the gears of a particular industry so that it doesn’t grind to a complete halt thereby killing a vital service.

Give the money to individuals who really need it. They’ll spend it immediately. The businesses receiving it will then spend it immediately as they continue to try to stay afloat. That money does a lot more good flowing around the economy than mine or yours would if we saved it. Saved money only helps the banks have more cash available for lending, which has value, but we are not on the precipice of a financial collapse like we were in 2008. Saved money would do little right now for the greater good.

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Not to mention, it just makes no sense. I was doing fine before COVID and I’m still doing fine now. People like me should not get help. We don’t need it. Let it go to the people who do. Waiters, hairdressers, retail business owners, they’re the ones that need it.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1251696]The more people who decide to save it, the lesser the intended impact on the economy. The point of a stimulus is to get money flowing around the economy quickly, or grease the gears of a particular industry so that it doesn’t grind to a complete halt thereby killing a vital service.



Give the money to individuals who really need it. They’ll spend it immediately. The businesses receiving it will then spend it immediately as they continue to try to stay afloat. That money does a lot more good flowing around the economy than mine or yours would if we saved it. Saved money only helps the banks have more cash available for lending, which has value, but we are not on the precipice of a financial collapse like we were in 2008. Saved money would do little right now for the greater good.[/QUOTE]



I agree with this, but like Matty said he doesn’t need it but would spend it. I am getting paid more for work right now, and my wife is a teacher and still getting paid. I didn’t need it. I spent it. Put it back into flow by getting dinners from local restaurants, etc. You told Matty to save it, but than here said saving money right now is not contributing to the greater good. If people who dont need it - get it and spend it on the people who do isn’t that just as productive as those people getting it directly??

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Nobody is getting rich on unemployment. I say if someone is living a little more comfortably right now during a stressful time that’s a good thing.


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I'm doing ok now but I could be doing much better with an additional 2k a month (which is almost doubling what I get now). First thing I would do? Move out and get my own place since I could afford it. Pump that money right back into the economy.

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[quote=MTK;1251702]Nobody is getting rich on unemployment. I say if someone is living a little more comfortably right now during a stressful time that’s a good thing.


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The issue is if someone makes more money by not working, when called back to work many come back with an attitude. That becomes a negative for both the employee and the employer. I belong to a forum where a lot of people including myself own manufacturing businesses. It doesn't apply to me as I no longer have employees, but quite a few guys on there had to lay people off. They took Cares Act loans and went back to running full capacity, quite a few of the employees did not want to come back to work till the $600 federal bonus money ran out. Some refused to return to work and ended up getting fired. When that extra $600 ends they end up with just state unemployment which will be way less than what they were making while working. Also they now are unemployed in a time where we have a 15% unemployment rate and growing.

Things are going to get a lot worse for a long time before things turn around. you are going to have high unemployment and under employment. You are going to have a lot of people taking jobs they are over qualified for and there will be plenty of people happy to hire them. Unemployed people without much in the way of skills and education are going to have a tough time finding work. With high unemployment employers will start increasing job requirements.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1251712]The issue is if someone makes more money by not working, when called back to work many come back with an attitude. That becomes a negative for both the employee and the employer. I belong to a forum where a lot of people including myself own manufacturing businesses. It doesn't apply to me as I no longer have employees, but quite a few guys on there had to lay people off. They took Cares Act loans and went back to running full capacity, quite a few of the employees did not want to come back to work till the $600 federal bonus money ran out. Some refused to return to work and ended up getting fired. When that extra $600 ends they end up with just state unemployment which will be way less than what they were making while working. Also they now are unemployed in a time where we have a 15% unemployment rate and growing.

Things are going to get a lot worse for a long time before things turn around. you are going to have high unemployment and under employment. You are going to have a lot of people taking jobs they are over qualified for and there will be plenty of people happy to hire them. Unemployed people without much in the way of skills and education are going to have a tough time finding work. With high unemployment employers will start increasing job requirements.[/quote]

Hopefully this will help Unions find there way back into the American society.

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[quote=Giantone;1251714]Hopefully this will help Unions find there way back into the American society.[/quote]

Not going to happen any time soon. With so many sectors that will be hurting for so long to come and with high unemployment nobody with a job they want to keep will risk going into management's dog house for trying to unionize.

I worked a large global aerospace connector manufacturing company decades ago. At the place and time for a non union shop wages and benefits were excellent. A group of workers tried to get the union in there and the company was cool about it as they felt they could easily defeat the union push. They actually allowed the union reps on the property and let them use the auditorium to hold meetings. The union was voted down about 80-20. The people that vocally supported the union became targets and ended up forced to quit. Even though I was close to leaving for the land of self employment I was vocally against the union and found most of the pro union people as poor workers who wanted more pay and benefits that they did not deserve.

I believe in most cases unions do more harm than good these days. They have bleed a lot of companies dry. If you are well educated or skilled, or even someone who is not, but at least has a strong work ethic and is a loyal employee, you will find a decent job where you are appreciated and paid well and treated well for what you do.

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Imagine where the American worker would be today without unions?


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[quote=MTK;1251717]Imagine where the American worker would be today without unions?


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True, but for the most part they have outlived their usefulness. There are lots of regulations and laws that protect workers now, that weren't around in the distant past.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1251718]True, but for the most part they have outlived their usefulness. There are lots of regulations and laws that protect workers now, that weren't around in the distant past.[/quote]

True but those "laws and regulations" are there becuase of Unions and they work becuase Companies afraid of Unions agree to those Laws and protections .dump Unions and the laws protecting workers die off.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1251669]Also no one should be paid more to stay home than to work. Plenty of stories where part timers and low hourly wage workers made more to stay home because of the added $600 fed money a week + state benefits. Business owners got loans to open back up and the employees were angered and did not want to go back to work.[/quote]

My step-mother works/worked in medical billing for a local eye doctor & surgery center. When they closed down, she signed up for the special unemployment. Now, the surgery center is slated to open on May 18th. She was contacted last week and told them that she was not coming back, because she was making more on unemployment.

Is this a state by state thing? Because i would think as a layman, if your company opens back up, and you choose to not return to your job, is it right that you still get unemployment benefits even though you are now choosing to remain unemployed over going back to your job?

Her and I disagree on this. I think it should only be for the people who truly cannot work because their companies closed down.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1251726]My step-mother works/worked in medical billing for a local eye doctor & surgery center. When they closed down, she signed up for the special unemployment. Now, the surgery center is slated to open on May 18th. She was contacted last week and told them that she was not coming back, because she was making more on unemployment.

Is this a state by state thing? Because i would think as a layman, if your company opens back up, and you choose to not return to your job, is it right that you still get unemployment benefits even though you are now choosing to remain unemployed over going back to your job?

Her and I disagree on this. I think it should only be for the people who truly cannot work because their companies closed down.[/quote]

I only know California unemployment rules from 10 years prior and before as that is where I worked for others and had my own employees. In Virginia I have no concern for them as I am not an employee in the official sense, nor do I have employees. Anyway in California not returning if called back from lay-off is considered a voluntary quit making you ineligible for unemployment. I believe most states are that way. I think the feds may continue to pay her until the end of June or whatever it was. She is going to regret her decision. When her unemployment runs out jobs are going to be hard to come by. The fallout from changes in people's spending habits are going to make things worse than they are now for a long, long time.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1251726]My step-mother works/worked in medical billing for a local eye doctor & surgery center. When they closed down, she signed up for the special unemployment. Now, the surgery center is slated to open on May 18th. She was contacted last week and told them that she was not coming back, because she was making more on unemployment.

Is this a state by state thing? Because i would think as a layman, if your company opens back up, and you choose to not return to your job, is it right that you still get unemployment benefits even though you are now choosing to remain unemployed over going back to your job?

Her and I disagree on this. I think it should only be for the people who truly cannot work because their companies closed down.[/quote]

This here is the moral hazard that comes with paying too high a rate for unemployment.

Of course, it simultaneously says that the minimum wage needs to be raised, because someone at some point determined that what she's getting from unemployment is their best guess at the minimum needed.