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[quote=Ruhskins;872708]Just curious what people think about getting Stevie Johnson, if the Bills let him walk. I wouldn't mind seeing him along with Hank as our top WRs next season. McCardell would need to control his TD celebration antics, but I think this is minor compared to a diva like DJax.[/quote]

Did you see his second game against Revis? 8 catches and a td. Not many people put up those numbers on Revis. It looked even more impressive when you saw him create separation. He is certainly worth trying to sign but I doubt the Bills let him go.

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Ok, I saw this on another site (Boo) but it was fun to look at. Every year we get excited for the next year and when that year arrives we seem to get let down. So, in normal fashon let the excitement begin again... lol.

[QUOTE]Redskins following Rams' template for rebuilding?
In an effort to take any sliver of factual information and twist it into something unrecognizable, I present to you irrefutable PROOF (!!!) that Mike Shanahan is copying Dick Vermeil's template to rebuilding the Rams.

Vermeil: Took over a team who had not had a winning season in the last 7 years
Shanahan: took over a team that had only two winning seasons in the last 7 years

Vermeil: took over a team that had 3 different head coaches in the last 7 years
Shanahan: took over a team that had 3 different coaches in the last 7 years


Records:
Rams:
Vermeil’s first year: 5-11
Vermeil’s second year: 4-12

Redskins:
Shanahan’s first year: 6-10
Shanahan’s second year: 5-11


Rankings-offense:
Rams
1995: 15th
1996: 27th
(Vermeil takes over)
1997: 21st
1998: 27th

Redskins
2008: 19th
2009: 22nd
(Shanahan takes over)
2010: 18th
2011: 16th


Rankings-defense:
Rams
1995: 12th
1996: 26th
(Vermeil takes over)
1997: 17th
1998: 10th

Redskins
2008: 4th
2009: 10th
(Shanahan takes over)
2010: 31st
2011: 13th


Number of starters brought in during their first three seasons
Vermeil: 9 starters on offense / 8 starters on defense
Shanahan: 8 starters on offense / 7 starters on defense (2 seasons so far)

Quarterbacks:
Vermeil: signed 13 year vet Steve Bono, only on the team for 1 year
Shanahan: signed 12 year vet Donovan McNabb, only on the team for 1 year

Vermeil: tried to make it work with Tony Banks; went in another direction in Year Three
Shanahan: tried to make it work with Rex Grossman; (???) in Year Three

Receivers:
Rams: only one WR was still on the team 2 years after Vermeil took over (Bruce)
Redskins: only one WR still on the team 2 years after Shanahan took over (Moss)


Draft:
Year One: Vermeil had 6 draft picks
Year One: Shanahan had 6 draft picks

Year One: Vermeil drafted a LT in the 1st round (Pace)
Year One: Shanahan drafted a LT in the 1st round (Williams)

Year Two: Vermeil drafted a DE in the 1st round (Winstrom)
Year Two: Shanahan drafted a DE in the 1st round (Kerrigan – converted to 3-4 OLB)

Year Three: Rams had the #6 pick in the draft – spent it on a WR (Holt)
Year Three: Redskins have the #6 pick in the draft – spent it on a (???)


Year in which they tried to get their franchise QB:
Vermeil: Year 3 (free agent, another team’s backup)
Shanahan: ???

Year in which they GOT their franchise QB:
Vermeil: Year 3 (backup who was already on the team)
Shanahan: ???

Get ready for the Super Bowl this upcoming season, gentlemen ...
[/QUOTE]

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After watching the Eagles game, I think I missed that Tyler Polumbus played very well in the run and in the pass. We was on Babin for most of the game and did fairely well.

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[quote=That Guy;871871]I'd rather bet on flynn than campbell. we know campbell is, at best, a slight improvement.[/quote]Flynn seems like a huge money dump though. It seems more preferable to pay for future performance you can value from a guy like Chad Henne, Jason Campbell, Kyle Orton, David Garrard or even Vince Young. I think we're wise enough to know that throwing money at a problem doesn't do anything to solve it.

The thing with Flynn is that once you get him by outbidding more WCO based teams like Seattle and Cleveland, where do you set the expectations? If slight improvement isn't what we're looking for, why did we go after a backup? If you set the expectations at the level of the contract you signed him to, I think he will struggle to meet those expectations.

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[quote=SBXVII;873305]Ok, I saw this on another site (Boo) but it was fun to look at. Every year we get excited for the next year and when that year arrives we seem to get let down. So, in normal fashon let the excitement begin again... lol.[/quote]If our quarterback wins the MVP this upcoming year, there is a good chance of being the 1999 Rams.

Of course, even if we get our Torry Holt in the draft, and already have our Orlando Pace and Grant Withstrom, I'm not sure where we are getting our Isaac Bruce, Marshall Faulk, or Kurt Warner from.

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or the other small speedy receiver i forget his name, or our dre bly (in his prime). we do have our london fletcher though!!

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[quote=GTripp0012;873494]Flynn seems like a huge money dump though. It seems more preferable to pay for future performance you can value from a guy like Chad Henne, Jason Campbell, Kyle Orton, David Garrard or even Vince Young. I think we're wise enough to know that throwing money at a problem doesn't do anything to solve it.

The thing with Flynn is that once you get him by outbidding more WCO based teams like Seattle and Cleveland, where do you set the expectations? If slight improvement isn't what we're looking for, why did we go after a backup? If you set the expectations at the level of the contract you signed him to, I think he will struggle to meet those expectations.[/quote]

Flynn could get the same contract that Rodgers is playing for now. And yes, Rodgers should be renegotiating soon...

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[quote=SBXVII;873305]Ok, I saw this on another site (Boo) but it was fun to look at. Every year we get excited for the next year and when that year arrives we seem to get let down. So, in normal fashon let the excitement begin again... lol.[/quote]

Wasn't that free agent back-up Trent Green? That he got from us? He was playing at a high level for the Rams before his injury ushered in the Kurt Warner era. Maybe we should get Flynn, draft a guy in rounds 1 or 2 and find a guy bagging groceries somewhere. My money is on the bagger;)

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I've been watching Ryan Kerrigan videos and man that kid is a baller. Great guy, Hard Worker. I'm so excited to see him continue to grow for the Redskins over the next few years. Props to Allen/Shanahan for the pick

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One advantage the Redskins will have is that Shanahan and his staff will be coaching the South squad in the senior bowl.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;865057]I agree, I would put money on us signing Eddie Royal, at WR. I also think Michael Bush would be a great fit.[/quote]
I think my money is looking good.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;874008]I think my money is looking good.[/quote]

His agent must be giddy right now

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[quote=tryfuhl;874011]His agent must be giddy right now[/quote]
I doubt that. His talent has been wasted since Shannahan left. In my opinion, he is the most undervalued free agent out there.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;874020]I doubt that. His talent has been wasted since Shannahan left. In my opinion, he is the most undervalued free agent out there.[/quote]

Yeah he wont get the Flynn treatment but he's made some plays.. that's really what I was getting at

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[quote=tryfuhl;874023]Yeah he wont get the Flynn treatment but he's made some plays.. that's really what I was getting at[/quote]
Yeah, I think Shannahan will try to sign him. I think he will be successful. But who knows, Shannahan can be very unpredictable.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;874020]I doubt that. His talent has been wasted since Shannahan left. In my opinion, he is the most undervalued free agent out there.[/quote]

MS will sign him in all likelihood. He had his best numbers with MS. It seems like more and more players are following coaches around the league. Which means Brandon Lloyd will be a patriot next year.

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I didn't know where to put this and I don't really feel like a new thread is necessary...

In honor of Moneyball, I decided to put up some numbers of the Skins OL and DBs (Maybe I'll throw in LBs).

Jamaal Brown
GP/GS 12/12 Holds 1 False Starts 2 Sacks allowed 9

Will Montgomery
16/16 Holds 1 FS 1 SA 2

Chris Chester
16/16 Holds 1 FS 0 SA 2

Maurice Hurt
8/8 Holds 2 FS 0 SA 2.5

Tyler Polumbus
5/4 Holds 1 FS 1 SA .5

Willie Smith
4/3 Holds 0 False Starts 0 Sacks Allowed 3

Trent Williams
10/10 H 4 FS 2 SA 3

Korey Lichtensteiger
GS/GP 5/5 H 0 FS 0 SA 0

Who Allowed the Most Sacks/Game?
Jamaal Brown and Willie Smith

Least sacks/game? Lichtensteiger

Most Holds/Game? Trent Silverback Williams

Least Holds/Game? Lichtensteiger

Most False Starts/Game? Tyler Polumbus & Trent Williams

Least FS/Game? Our boy Lichtensteiger, Again!

Where is our biggest OL problem? Tackle, for those that are suggesting that we need a new center or guard we need a new tackle and depth behind Guard and Center (I didn't put Erik Cook in nor Locklear, because I see no way that they are on this team next year, Cook actually would be the leader in false starts per game, barely, over trent and tyler)


Secondary

DHall
Targeted 94 Times Receptions allowed 63..Completion % 67 % ([url=http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/12/cornerbacks-a-glance-at-the-2011-numbers/]Cornerbacks: A Glance at the 2011 Numbers | ProFootballFocus.com[/url] )

Josh Wilson
T 92 RA 46 C% 50 ([url=http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/sports/Josh-Wilson-Underappreciated-or-Free-Agent-Signing-Gone-Wrong-137301788.html]Josh Wilson: Under-Appreciated or Free Agent Signing Gone Wrong? | NBC4 Washington[/url])

I couldn't find out Barnes, Westbrook, or Thompson. However in the article attached to DHall, is some of the best CB performances and a couple of those guys are FA to be..

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Kory L has a very small sample size compared to some of the others.

TW is our guy with the biggest upside.

Kory L and Chester are good to above average guards. TW is ranked slightly above those two. T and C are needs with RT being the biggest or sliding TW to RT if a better LT option is available. Just my opinion. C can be addressed in the middle rounds. T maybe a better piece to add in FA or an early pick.

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Interior lineman don't face the same caliber of pass rushers as the tackles do, but interesting info regardless.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;875840]Kory L has a very small sample size compared to some of the others.

TW is our guy with the biggest upside.

Kory L and Chester are good to above average guards. TW is ranked slightly above those two. T and C are needs with RT being the biggest or sliding TW to RT if a better LT option is available. Just my opinion. C can be addressed in the middle rounds. T maybe a better piece to add in FA or an early pick.[/quote]

You draft DeCastro as G,Slide Lichetensteiger to C, Smith to RT, now you got a hell of an OL. Montgomery and Hurt are your backup G's, draft another T in the 4th round. Williams, Chester/Monty, Lichentesnteiger, Decastro, Smith.

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I don't think Smith is quite ready for the starter role just yet. I would give him another year or two on the bench as a backup before I start him going into a season.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;875858]You draft DeCastro as G,Slide Lichetensteiger to C, Smith to RT, now you got a hell of an OL. Montgomery and Hurt are your backup G's, draft another T in the 4th round. Williams, Chester/Monty, Lichentesnteiger, Decastro, Smith.[/quote]

Smith was one of the worst grades I just put up. It's polumbus who's better than him..

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Just from watching the games Polumbus passed the eye test a few times though he struggled with some of the top pass rushers when they moved to his side. I remember Ware having a go at him more then a few times.

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Polumbus was/is really awful. It's not like we have a recent history of strong RT play, so I understand why he would pass the eye test for some. He looks like a starter out there!

(that's not a compliment)

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Anybody else like David Molk center from Michigan with one of our 4th round picks.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;875912]Anybody else like David Molk center from Michigan with one of our 4th round picks.[/quote]I don't think he's the best C in the draft, but if you can get him in the 4th round, that'd seem like a smart use of a pick.

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Smith and Polumbus were both absolutely dreadful. I can't say who's worse between the two, but at least Smith has some potential I guess.

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Smith went against Pierre-Paul, Sack leader Jared Allen and Trent cole. He gave up 2 sacks and held his own after a few shaky starts. The kid is got a future and the only way to get better which he did, is to play him.

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honestly both smith and polumbus were bad, but in terms of what I saw, I thought Polumbus looked better. I still would draft a RT though, a lot of good ones are coming out.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;875935]honestly both smith and polumbus were bad, but in terms of what I saw, I thought Polumbus looked better. I still would draft a RT though, a lot of good ones are coming out.[/quote]

Well, if don't get DeCastro (because we didn't get RGIII) then the backup plan is Jonathan Martin T also from Stanford.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;875940]Well, if don't get DeCastro (because we didn't get RGIII) then the backup plan is Jonathan Martin T also from Stanford.[/quote]

Look man, I love DeCastro, I think he's a great player, but this line's weakness is Tackle, so Martin is more likely, I don't see us going guard until atleast 3rd round.

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Report: Carl Nicks “expected to leave” New Orleans in free agency
i would seriously look into him

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[quote=dmek25;875942]Report: Carl Nicks “expected to leave” New Orleans in free agency
i would seriously look into him[/quote]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/15/nicks-expected-to-leave-new-orleans-in-free-agency/]Report: Carl Nicks “expected to leave” New Orleans in free agency | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/01/free-agent-watch-should-redskins-raid-ravens-ol-again.html]Free agent watch: Should Redskins raid Ravens' OL again? - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

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not saying we should go after either of those guys in those links, but two great players that are going to be FA's Carl Nicks and Ben Grubbs, both young all pro guards. I'm happy with Chester and Lichtensteiger, but that doesn't mean Shanny/Allen/snyder are happy with them..

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I have had a man crush on Ben Grubbs since he came out of Auburn, he is also better than anyone currently on our team at the position.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;875941]Look man, I love DeCastro, I think he's a great player, but this line's weakness is Tackle, so Martin is more likely, I don't see us going guard until atleast 3rd round.[/quote]

Yes and no, both G and T need shoring. When you have the best G prospect since Hutchinson you go for him, not only that but he's a pulling guard. have you seen him play? The guy is fantastic, the running game would be awesome, which opens the passing game. Smith can play even though you think, Shanahan does so do many writers out there.

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I would not have a problem with the team adding a top OL propest with our first pick in the draft if that is the most beneficial move for the squad. If we can find a QB in FA and not have to worry about moving up in the draft to grab him then we can use our 6th pick to add someone of importance. It is also nice to have 4 picks in the first 100. We can add some starters with those picks.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;875959]I would not have a problem with the team adding a top OL propest with our first pick in the draft if that is the most beneficial move for the squad. If we can find a QB in FA and not have to worry about moving up in the draft to grab him then we can use our 6th pick to add someone of importance. It is also nice to have 4 picks in the first 100. We can add some starters with those picks.[/quote]

Aaron Rodgers said today that he believes that Matt Flynn will leave to become a starter next year, and that he believes that Matt Flynn is a top 10 NFL QB.


I remember hearing reports on one of those pregame shows (ESPN, FOX, CBS) that Matt Flynn was playing better than Aaron Rodgers in their practices, in terms of accuracy, calling plays, identify the blitz, etc. Yeah I know Its Practice, but when the organization is hyping him up that much, and he throws for 6 TD's, it makes you lean more towards he's a boom more than a bust.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;875953]Yes and no, both G and T need shoring. When you have the best G prospect since Hutchinson you go for him, not only that but he's a pulling guard. have you seen him play? The guy is fantastic, the running game would be awesome, which opens the passing game. Smith can play even though you think, Shanahan does so do many writers out there.[/quote]

Hahaha Yes! Of Course I have seen him play! I watched him against Oregon, USC, and OK St, he was the same consistent player against all guys. I just feel like he's the same case as say a Trent Richardson; Great player, but not a Major need like QB, CB, ILB, Tackle, WR.