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[quote=SFREDSKIN;773313]Instead of trading Cooley, I would trade:

McNabb
Haynesworth
DHall- now that he has been voted to the pro-bowl he can fetch a decent pick, re-sign Rogers and go after Champ Bailey in FA.[/quote]

Haynesworth has no value in a trade.

So you'd rather trade our only defensive playmaker and re-sign Rogers (who will be 30 and has a spotty injury & benching history) and Champ, who is on the wrong side of 30 with multiple injuries over the past 3 years..

Vinny???

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[quote=Mattyk;773304][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/29/cardinals-havent-shown-interest-in-re-signing-breaston/"]Cardinals haven’t shown interest in re-signing Breaston | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

anyone interested?[/quote]

Breaston is solid. He's probably better than Armstrong so he could come in here and probably be a solid number 2 and move AA to #3. If the price is right I'd be for it. But do not overpay for him.

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[quote=Mattyk;773316]Why the hate for FD? I wish we used him more.[/quote]

Yeah the so called 2 TE sets never really came into form this year...FD needs to see more of a role.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;773003]If a 32 year old Tony Gonzalez can fetch a second round pick for the Chiefs then I would expect the Skins to be able to get the same for a 28 year old Cooley. Assuming we even decide to trade him. I mean this isn't like McNabb or Haynesworth were we have no leverage.[/quote]

You're talking about maybe the best TE in the history of the NFL. Cooley is simply not in the same neighborhood as TG. If we put him out on the trade market we'd probably get a mid rounder. No way do we get a 2nd rounder IMO.

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[quote=Paintrain;773333]Would you prefer Breaston, Jacoby Jones (with Kyle in Houston) or Braylon Edwards?[/quote]

Plan A: Vincent Jackson or AJ Green with a Moss extention

Plan B: Breaston and Jackson/orGreen

Either option is fine with me with our recievers. Just want Armstrong to return with both options.

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[quote=Paintrain;773334]Haynesworth has no value in a trade.

So you'd rather trade our only defensive playmaker and re-sign Rogers (who will be 30 and has a spotty injury & benching history) and Champ, who is on the wrong side of 30 with multiple injuries over the past 3 years..

Vinny???[/quote]

I want people that can cover 1 on 1 not clowns that can't tackle and get burnt. Rogers might have stone hands but he can cover, Champ can play into his late 30's, Barnes is young and you can draft a young CB in two or three years. So back to you Vinny.

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[quote=Mattyk;773316]Why the hate for FD? I wish we used him more.[/quote]

Ya something bugs me about this guy...

Maybe it was the Eagles game when FD was beating his chest, despite the fact that the CB/S ran him down from 20 yards back... o ya and we were down by 30 points... :mad:

Or maybe it was the ball he dropped in the endzone in the Bucs game...

And blocking is supposed to be his weakness!!

Maybe hate is a strong word but I'm just not that impressed. And how long are we supposed to wait for him to come of age? It's been 3 years already and he barely sees the field. I knew Cooley was here to stay after 6 games, just don't get that vibe from FD...

Hope he proves me wrong though.

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Rogers and Hall all suffer from mediocrity. Both have the talent to be a shutdown corner, but neither of them are because there are huge flaws to their game that costs wins. Rogers covers but can't get finishing turnovers...ever. Hall gets turnovers SOMETIMES, but his gambling allows for opponents to easily move the chains and thus score. I'm willing to take a hit in secondary play if that means eventually nabbing a shutdown corner.
That said, Mike Shanahan can't find that kind of elite defensive talent...so we're stuck with mediocre CB play for years to come. I dislike them both. I'm sick of having guys who are "playmakers but choke" like Hall, Rogers, Moss.

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revis is the only shut down corner in the league right now. I honestly think our tandem of Rogers and Hall is one of the top in the league. I wouldnt go as high as top 5, but definitely top 10. i'm honestly pretty happy with our corner situation.

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[quote=Mattyk;773307]I think he could easily be our #2[/quote]

Maybe we should consider bringing back this guy since he has such fond memories of his short stay. [syke]

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[quote=skinsfan69;773337]You're talking about maybe the best TE in the history of the NFL. Cooley is simply not in the same neighborhood as TG. If we put him out on the trade market we'd probably get a mid rounder. No way do we get a 2nd rounder IMO.[/quote]

You're right, Gonzo is the best Tight End in history. However they traded for him at 33 years old. So from a historical perspective you're correct Gonzo is much better than Cooley. However from a 2010 perspective Cooley is the better player. On top of being younger he also has better stats on a team with unsteady play from the Quarterback position. The fact that both players are the second best receiving option on their respective teams would make that part of the comparison a wash.

Not that I want to trade Cooley but I do believe that a 29 year old Cooley has equal trade value to that of a 33 year old Gonzalez.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;773340]I want people that can cover 1 on 1 not clowns that can't tackle and get burnt. Rogers might have stone hands but he can cover, Champ can play into his late 30's, Barnes is young and you can draft a young CB in two or three years. So back to you Vinny.[/quote]

Speaking of Champ, I hear-tell that Champ isn't going to be on the Bronco's next year in all reality. I know he is getting older but what does everyone think about a Champ and Burgundy/Gold reunion tour!?!?

Re: Is it finally time to rebuild??
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;773340]I want people that can cover 1 on 1 not clowns that can't tackle and get burnt. Rogers might have stone hands but he can cover, Champ can play into his late 30's, Barnes is young and you can draft a young CB in two or three years. So back to you Vinny.[/quote]

Since we play majority zone it's not necessary to have lock down man corners. Rogers isn't as strong in zone coverage and the 3-4 is predicated on getting turnovers when opportunities exist, not Rogers strength. Sure Champ CAN play into his late 30's but he won't do us much good injured 6 games on the sideline. You were saying Vinny..

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[quote=Dirtbag359;773346]You're right, Gonzo is the best Tight End in history. However they traded for him at 33 years old. So from a historical perspective you're correct Gonzo is much better than Cooley. However from a 2010 perspective Cooley is the better player. On top of being younger he also has better stats on a team with unsteady play from the Quarterback position. The fact that both players are the second best receiving option on their respective teams would make that part of the comparison a wash.

Not that I want to trade Cooley but I do believe that a 29 year old Cooley has equal trade value to that of a 33 year old Gonzalez.[/quote]


what team out there needs a pass catching TE? it's an easy position to find so i really don't see anyone making a trade for him. maybe seattle?

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[quote=skinsfan69;773360]what team out there needs a pass catching TE? it's an easy position to find so i really don't see anyone making a trade for him. maybe seattle?[/quote]

They drafted John Carlson for that.