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[quote=Chico23231;929265]agree...damn Im ready for this game now. Just want to see RG3 throw in live action...cant wait to the see the hatters jaws drop.

[B]And that Oliver Stone football movie...always been a fan of.[/B][/quote]

Another Oliver Stone fan? Really? That guy is so overrated. Stone has coasted of the critical success of one frickin' movie. He's a terrible director and an even more insane human being.

Agh don't get me started or I'll have to move over to the "grinds my gears" thread and give Stone a piece of my mind.

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[quote=mbedner3420;929271]Another Oliver Stone fan? Really? That guy is so overrated. Stone has coasted of the critical success of one frickin' movie. He's a terrible director and an even more insane human being.

Agh don't get me started or I'll have to move over to the "grinds my gears" thread and give Stone a piece of my mind.[/quote]

Natural Born Killers was freaking awesome. that movie is on acid, sweet.

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[quote=mbedner3420;929271]Another Oliver Stone fan? Really? That guy is so overrated. Stone has coasted of the critical success of one frickin' movie. He's a terrible director and an even more insane human being.

Agh don't get me started or I'll have to move over to the "grinds my gears" thread and give Stone a piece of my mind.[/quote]

Of one frickin movie?...LOL


[url=http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000231/#Director]Oliver Stone - IMDb[/url]


*mind boggled*

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[quote=NC_Skins;929290]Of one frickin movie?...LOL


[url=http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000231/#Director]Oliver Stone - IMDb[/url]


*mind boggled*[/quote]

Yes, because Alexander, Savages, Wall Street 2, W., World Trade Center, Any Given Sunday, and Natural Born Killers were all tour de force films.

Ugh. I'm done with this topic. On to something else!

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I have to agree Oliver Stone is vastly overrated. Alexander was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Natural Born Killers is awful, anyone who likes that movie needs their brain checked because odds are you have to be on drugs or really messed up to like that kind of crap.


Changing subjects I see that Compton and DHall are getting into it. Good stuff Compton is going to surprise people this year IMO.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;929306]I have to agree Oliver Stone is vastly overrated. Alexander was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. [B]Natural Born Killers is awful, anyone who likes that movie needs their brain checked because odds are you have to be on drugs or really messed up to like that kind of crap.[/B]
Changing subjects I see that Compton and DHall are getting into it. Good stuff Compton is going to surprise people this year IMO.[/quote]

dude it was the mid ninties, of course I was. Natural Born is a visual masterpiece.

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I apologize for the Al Pacino reference which started this. Stone is overrated - but I do recall enjoying Natural Born Killers and would watch it again rite now.

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So I read from practice reports that Gettis is improving.

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[quote=Lotus;929325]So I read from practice reports that Gettis is improving.[/quote]

I've read some good reports lately on Gettis, LeRibeus, and Compton. They all obviously have a long way to go, but it's nice to hear they are improving.

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As we all know art is subjective, just take a look at the supposed "top 10 films of all time" list, most of which were released well before we were born. As for any given Sunday, I thought it was mediocre when I first watched it, that's because I was way to young to understand the behind the scene politics and intricacies of playing, coaching, and owning a team in the NFL.

Fast forward 15 years later, now that I've matured, and became more educated about the greatest league to ever form, I see the movie in a completely different light, it's remarkable how deep he went into the psychological aspects and struggles that everyone has to endure, the astronomical amount of pressure that's put on everyone involved. In my opinion it's arguably the greatest football movie ever made, although the longest yard and remember the Titans were great ones too.

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[quote=Mattyk;929328]I've read some good reports lately on Gettis, LeRibeus, and Compton. They all obviously have a long way to go, but it's nice to hear they are improving.[/quote]
I saw a stat yesterday (I forget where though) that the Redskins have drafted the most OL in the NFL since 2010.. Combine that with the stat that we've drafted the most players in the past 2 drafts it seems like there is a plan to build depth..

In addition to the good reports on Gettis, LeRibeus and Compton I am also that I haven't seen where Hurt has regressed or peaked. It would be nice to have him as a solid backup that we could count on if needed.

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[quote=Mattyk;929328]I've read some good reports lately on Gettis, LeRibeus, and Compton. They all obviously have a long way to go, but it's nice to hear they are improving.[/quote]

yeah . . . that's what i want to see out of the rookies, especially the lower round draft picks . . .

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[quote=Shadowbyte;929332]As we all know art is subjective, just take a look at the supposed "top 10 films of all time" list, most of which were released well before we were born. As for any given Sunday, I thought it was mediocre when I first watched it, that's because I was way to young to understand the behind the scene politics and intricacies of playing, coaching, and owning a team in the NFL.

Fast forward 15 years later, now that I've matured, and became more educated about the greatest league to ever form, I see the movie in a completely different light, it's remarkable how deep he went into the psychological aspects and struggles that everyone has to endure, the astronomical amount of pressure that's put on everyone involved. In my opinion it's arguably the greatest football movie ever made, although the longest yard and remember the Titans were great ones too.[/quote]

Rudy, Brians Song, Radio - all three trump any given sunday - imo of course

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LeRibeus has some real dirtbag potential.
(i mean that as a positive, dirtbag like a baby hog)

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[quote=30gut;929395]LeRibeus has some real dirtbag potential.
(i mean that as a positive, dirtbag like a baby hog)[/quote]

I'm kind of surprised he isn't starting the first preseason game for us..as in over Gettis..

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[quote=CultBrennan59;929409]I'm kind of surprised he isn't starting the first preseason game for us..as in over Gettis..[/quote]

He's a LG, Gettis is a RG. Different footwork, responsibilities, etc. He will get plenty of reps out there with Hurt running with the starters.

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[quote=Paintrain;929411]He's a LG, Gettis is a RG. Different footwork, responsibilities, etc. He will get plenty of reps out there with Hurt running with the starters.[/quote]

really. I see a major difference between a Guard and a Center or a Guard and a tackle, hell I see the major difference between a LT and a RT, but is there really a difference between a LG and a RG? I say the only difference is the side your on. Please tell me how much differently they are cause I don't buy it. I'm giving that a Seth Meyers Really?!?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;929409]I'm kind of surprised he isn't starting the first preseason game for us..as in over Gettis..[/quote]Huh, *shrugs* I didn't even know Gettis was starting.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;929435]really. I see a major difference between a Guard and a Center or a Guard and a tackle, hell I see the major difference between a LT and a RT, but is there really a difference between a LG and a RG? I say the only difference is the side your on. Please tell me how much differently they are cause I don't buy it. I'm giving that a Seth Meyers Really?!?[/quote]

Im going to say that there are two reasons why someone would be better suited playing one or the other.........
first - i think it depends on who you are playing next to, like if the LT is the dominant force on the line you may want to put a certain individual at LG if he is a weak link - so that way you dont have a right side that is totally vulnerable.
second - unless everyone is pulling right or left on a certain play it might be difficult for a right gaurd who is used to going forward and right to go forward and left - the footwork is all different and the direction - like a right handed person throwing left handed ,,,that being said I think most gaurds can change sides if need be -

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Would anyone liked to have seen the Skins make the move the Chargers made to solidify depth for their OL?

[url=http://www.chargers.com/news/press-releases/article-1/Chargers-Sign-Davis-and-Toudouze/33f4f943-aa97-4c0a-9e59-357ca90ba67a]Chargers Sign Davis and Toudouze[/url]

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[quote=RGIII;929460]Would anyone liked to have seen the Skins make the move the Chargers made to solidify depth for their OL?

[url=http://www.chargers.com/news/press-releases/article-1/Chargers-Sign-Davis-and-Toudouze/33f4f943-aa97-4c0a-9e59-357ca90ba67a]Chargers Sign Davis and Toudouze[/url][/quote]

I would say, "Who cares?" But since they are both former Tuskers, obviously the Chargers got two steals.

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[quote=Lotus;929463]I would say, "Who cares?" But since they are both former Tuskers, obviously the Chargers got two steals.[/quote]

Haslett coached the Tuskers a year or two I believe. One would think either of these guys would be a better option than Black. Just throwing this out there for discussion that's all. I think it speaks volumes for the talent pool for quality OTs. Wondering if team explores all avenues.

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Im all for signing and exploring depth, etc. However I would much rather go with young draftpicks than old veterans that spent the majority of their career in the UFL - Oh and who is the "Black" you are referring to?

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[quote=punch it in;929466]Im all for signing and exploring depth, etc. However I would much rather go with young draftpicks than old veterans that spent the majority of their career in the UFL - Oh and who is the "Black" you are referring to?[/quote]

Jordan Black. I'm with you on the draft picks whichever round they were drafted.

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Flew under my radar - I would have to agree with you on him not being a good option - if for no other reason than I never heard of him. lol - I want to call him camp fodder but if we keep dropping like flies on the line who the hell knows?

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[quote=RGIII;929467]Jordan Black. I'm with you on the draft picks wherever round they were drafted.[/quote]

Yeah , at least Shanny can mold them young and teach them our scheme - I think Gettis is going to be a solid player - thought that when we drafted him - Iowa is like an o-line breeding ground.

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Montgomery is a backup at best and we started this guy all last year.

Man im glad our QB had the wheels to dodge danger and believe me thats what hell be doing alot this year.. NEXT YEAR well address this bigtime. I really hope they can get theyre act together and protect.

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[quote=Skins4L;929496]Montgomery is a backup at best and we started this guy all last year.

Man im glad our QB had the wheels to dodge danger and believe me thats what hell be doing alot this year.. NEXT YEAR well address this bigtime. I really hope they can get theyre act together and protect.[/quote]

Montgomery was considered to be one of the leagues better centers. I remember seeing him ranked as the #16 best center in the NFL out of 32. RT is the biggest problem on this team by far.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;929498]Montgomery was considered to be one of the leagues better centers. I remember seeing him ranked as the #16 best center in the NFL out of 32. RT is the biggest problem on this team by far.[/quote]

#16 out of 32 says "exactly average" to me, not necessarily "leagues better centers", but I get your point..

As far as Davis and Toudouze -- would they have fit into the zone blocking system? I'm guessing Shanny / Allen know about all the O-linemen out there and passed on these, and I'd trust them.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;929498]Montgomery was considered to be one of the leagues better centers. I remember seeing him ranked as the #16 best center in the NFL out of 32. RT is the biggest problem on this team by far.[/quote]

I've heard that before too. But I've also heard that Montgomery is the Selvish Capers of centers in the NFL. Will Montgomery was a seventh round draft choice. He was never heralded as a good or very good center. He plays the position and that's all you can ask of him. But he's not Jeff Saturday or Mangold.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;929498]Montgomery was considered to be one of the leagues better centers. I remember seeing him ranked as the #16 best center in the NFL out of 32. RT is the biggest problem on this team by far.[/quote]

Says top-12 here, at least in run blocking.
[URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/4016/Will-Montgomery"]Will Montgomery - Washington Redskins - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/URL]

Rated best center in NFC East here:
[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/24/2011-pff-all-nfc-east-team-2/[/url]


Will's definitely not a problem on our line.

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[quote=Monkeydad;929580]Says top-12 here, at least in run blocking.
[URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/4016/Will-Montgomery"]Will Montgomery - Washington Redskins - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/URL]

Rated best center in NFC East here:
[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/24/2011-pff-all-nfc-east-team-2/[/url]


Will's definitely not a problem on our line.[/quote]

Who knew?

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[quote=Monkeydad;929580]Says top-12 here, at least in run blocking.
[URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/4016/Will-Montgomery"]Will Montgomery - Washington Redskins - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/URL]

Rated best center in NFC East here:
[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/24/2011-pff-all-nfc-east-team-2/[/url]


Will's definitely not a problem on our line.[/quote]

I read on bleecher report that he was ranked #16..But I'll listen to this more credible sites about him than bleecher. Good finds.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;929610]I read on bleecher report that he was ranked #16..But I'll listen to this more credible sites about him than bleecher. Good finds.[/quote]

PFF is very credible. They grade and rank the O-linemen every year with a bunch of formulas.


Bleacher is pretty much a tabloid, along with Florio's PFT.

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[quote=Monkeydad;929580]Rated best center in NFC East here:
[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/24/2011-pff-all-nfc-east-team-2/[/url]


Will's definitely not a problem on our line.[/quote]This site also says Landry was one of the top safeties in the division last year.

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If healthy, yes.

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[quote=Monkeydad;929618]If healthy, yes.[/quote]

But how often is he actually healthY?

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To add to our OL woes....ugh

Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980
We have a report that Trent Williams went in for an X-Ray on one of his lower legs/ankles at halftime. No updates right now. Can't find him

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@Rich_Campbell: Yeah, Trent is laughing with teammates on the sideline. No crutches or anything like that. It's not noticeably wrapped or anything.

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@Russellmania980: Trent Williams is signing autographs behind #Redskins bench,appears to be limping a bit...but putting all weight on it. Should be no issue.