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[quote=redskin29633;871030]Really makes me wonder why Gibbs was so fascinated with Campbell. When he was at Auburn, I could never see anything that would lead you to conclude that he would become even an average NFL QB. That's one that I will probably never understand.[/quote]

he is and has been an average NFL quarterback. he sure worked out a lot better for oakland than those palmer games i watched.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;871043]One guy that hasn't been mentioned is WR Malcolm Floyd out of Notre Dame... I know a lot of people on here are in love with Justin Blackmon... but Floyd is a monster. Great size, strong as an Ox, can leap, and has great hands.

I've liked him since last year.

When is he supposed to go? Late 1st?

I seriously doubt we end up with him... but I think he's going to be a good pro.[/quote]

It's Michael Floyd. Malcolm Floyd is a Charger WR.

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[quote=That Guy;871057]he is and has been an average NFL quarterback. he sure worked out a lot better for oakland than those palmer games i watched.[/quote]

JC may be slightly better than he appeared based on his collegiate performance, but not by much. My view of him is slightly below average, but that's not really the point. Regardless, average or just below, neither category explains Gibbs' fascination nor the Redskins' investment in him!

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;871028]JC-to-McNabb was a lateral move. A foolish, costly lateral move, but still a lateral move. Had we kept JC, patience with him would be wearing very thin by now and he might have lost out to Grossman anyway, just like McNabb.[/quote]I would have crapped on this comment two years ago, but watching Mike and Kyle work with these quarterbacks, I tend to think you're right. Campbell wouldn't have improved under Kyle Shanahan the way he improved under Hue Jackson. He would have just remained frustrating and have lost playing time to Rex Grossman.

Which, of course, would have been a way better course of action than we've actually gone.

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It would be nice to have the 2nd round pick we used to trade for McNabb, We could have gotten Gronkowski, Taylor Mays, Ben tate, Sean lee, or terrance cody with that pick.

I know I shouldn't on the could haves.

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Coaching changes could be coming.
[QUOTE]2. Would it surprise anyone if changes were made to the coaching staff? No. And I don’t think it would surprise some of the coaches. Shanahan will address this, as much as he is wont to do, on Monday.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/12/redskins-notes-shanahan-confident-return/2045766#ixzz1i0Hbg23Q]Redskins Notes: Shanahan confident in return | John Keim | NFL | Washington Examiner[/url][/QUOTE]

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[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2011/12/redskins-will-have-extra-cap-money-in-2012.html]Redskins will have extra cap money in 2012 - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

Some info that should make us happy, a good amount of play money.

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I have been watching Texas A&M and North Western today, and news to me that Tannehill was on target with most of his throws. Quite a few drops on him. MAybe we should go Alshon Jeffery or Blackmon first then go Tannehill second. Thoughts?

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[quote=musicmaster45;871332]I have been watching Texas A&M and North Western today, and news to me that Tannehill was on target with most of his throws. Quite a few drops on him. MAybe we should go Alshon Jeffery or Blackmon first then go Tannehill second. Thoughts?[/quote]

Might not have a choice. But Alshon? No. Blackmon yes.

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[quote=musicmaster45;871332]I have been watching Texas A&M and North Western today, and news to me that Tannehill was on target with most of his throws. Quite a few drops on him. MAybe we should go Alshon Jeffery or Blackmon first then go Tannehill second. Thoughts?[/quote]

This

I love this strategy; Tannehill is on time and accurate and has high upside. He has played QB for only one and a half seasons. Also young man seems really composed in pocket but has some running/scrambling skills. Right now, I would say his skills are better fit in Redskins' scheme than RGIII. It's going to an interesting draft; looking forward to see which way we go!

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[quote=musicmaster45;871332]I have been watching Texas A&M and North Western today, and news to me that Tannehill was on target with most of his throws. Quite a few drops on him. MAybe we should go Alshon Jeffery or Blackmon first then go Tannehill second. Thoughts?[/quote]

Similar to bengals of last year. I would say it worked out, so why not.

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[quote=musicmaster45;871332]I have been watching Texas A&M and North Western today, and news to me that Tannehill was on target with most of his throws. Quite a few drops on him. MAybe we should go Alshon Jeffery or Blackmon first then go Tannehill second. Thoughts?[/quote]

the little bit I have seen Tannehill he has looked ok.

But if you look at the draft history of qbs that go in the second round almost all of them are backups or bust. Only four second rounders currently start in the NFL, Drew Brees, Andy Dalton, Tavrius Jackson, and Kevin Kolb. TJax should be a backup. Same for Kolb. Drew brees would have been taken in the first if he had been 5 inches taller (he was the first pick of the second round). Andy Dalton is the only one who seems out of place in the second and his career in the NFL is so young its hard to say for certain if he will be an overwhelming success.

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Tannehill likely won't make it to the second round. He'll likely go in the top 15 to 20.

I would flip the strategy mentioned above - take Tannehill in the first and then take a WR early in the second or even trade back into the late first round and grab someone like Baylor's Wright.

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[quote=Lotus;871343]Tannehill likely won't make it to the second round. He'll likely go in the top 15 to 20.

I would flip the strategy mentioned above - take Tannehill in the first and then take a WR early in the second or even trade back into the late first round and grab someone like Baylor's Wright.[/quote]

Alot to be decided from now til the combine. But yes, IF MS likes Tannehill/Foles might be wise to go that route.

RGIII plays in a spread offense. It's tough to guage how he fits into a nfl style offense. Tannehill, from what I say today, looked pretty decent. He had one bad throw, but very accurate.

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Should be a offseason to watch. Draft picks/cap space. Jenkins/Lightensteiger/Cooley should come back healthy. Gotta have another nice draft though.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;871333]Might not have a choice. But [B]Alshon[/B]? No. Blackmon yes.[/quote]

hilarious this guy is getting this much hype.

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[quote=GTripp0012;871075]I would have crapped on this comment two years ago, but watching Mike and Kyle work with these quarterbacks, I tend to think you're right. Campbell wouldn't have improved under Kyle Shanahan the way he improved under Hue Jackson. He would have just remained frustrating and have lost playing time to Rex Grossman.

Which, of course, would have been a way better course of action than we've actually gone.[/quote]

Watching Campbell twice play before he went down, nothing from his performances I witnessed said he had gotten better from a average-below average QB. Hue done a decent job in a fairly poor AFC west, but I didnt expect a step back this year. Raiders always have underrated talent on their teams, which was a nice place for JC to land. I actually think JC will have a fair amount of suitors this offseason, a couple in starters situations, a couple in back up situations.

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[quote=Chico23231;871349]Watching Campbell twice play before he went down, nothing from his performances I witnessed said he had gotten better from a average-below average QB. Hue done a decent job in a fairly poor AFC west, but I didnt expect a step back this year. Raiders always have underrated talent on their teams, which was a nice place for JC to land. I actually think JC will have a fair amount of suitors this offseason, a couple in starters situations, a couple in back up situations.[/quote]Campbell actually turns 30 today.

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[quote=GTripp0012;871377]Campbell actually turns 30 today.[/quote]

wow...will he be turning 31 in Jacksonville or Kansas City next year?

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[quote=Chico23231;871378]wow...will he be turning 31 in Jacksonville or Kansas City next year?[/quote]I predict no.

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[quote=GTripp0012;871379]I predict no.[/quote]

Where does he end up? I just think those 2 spots will see some serious regime change...Gabbert not guaranteed a thing, with serious change and his performance this year...well its gonna add more pressure to his starting situation. KC, got to see JC...Cassel was a predictable flop, with their WRs...bigger arm is needed. All a guess......where you think he pops up? He could come back to Raiders

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[quote=Chico23231;871381]Where does he end up? I just think those 2 spots will see some serious regime change...Gabbert not guaranteed a thing, with serious change and his performance this year...well its gonna add more pressure to his starting situation. KC, got to see JC...Cassel was a predictable flop, with their WRs...bigger arm is needed. All a guess......where you think he pops up? He could come back to Raiders[/quote]I think he could choose to stay in Oakland if he doesn't get a starter's offer. I think Seattle could offer him to compete for the starters job. I think Denver might offer him. The Jets maybe. Cleveland maybe.

If he signs as a backup, I think Detroit is the best situation for him. Even better than Oakland.

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[quote=GTripp0012;871382]I think he could choose to stay in Oakland if he doesn't get a starter's offer. I think Seattle could offer him to compete for the starters job. I think Denver might offer him. The Jets maybe. Cleveland maybe.

If he signs as a backup, I think Detroit is the best situation for him. Even better than Oakland.[/quote]

Yeah as a backup, I thought Detroit. Also Pittsburg might not be a bad fit. Batch and Leftwich, dont know how much longer they may be there.

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[quote=Chico23231;871383]Yeah as a backup, I thought Detroit. Also Pittsburg might not be a bad fit. Batch and Leftwich, dont know how much longer they may be there.[/quote]I also thought of Pittsburgh, good call there.

I feel like some desperate team will probably offer him starters money, though I doubt the opportunity for him to succeed will be as nicely set up as it was in Oakland. Ah well, people die sometimes. Speaking of that, I wonder how he would be perceived here if Sean hadn't passed. Maybe the same, maybe not.

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If the Redskins can't land Andrew Luck or RG3 in the draft, where do they look then? Free agency? Is Matt Flynn really the answer? Although Flynn is supposed to be the best QB free agent, he's seen limited action. He really hasn't played a lot because he's a back up. Would anyone here approve of Mike Shanahan bringing Jason Campbell back? Campbell, although he has tons of baggage, would be better than Grossman or Beck. Campbell would be a upgrade over both of those bums.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;871407]If the Redskins can't land Andrew Luck or RG3 in the draft, where do they look then? Free agency? Is Matt Flynn really the answer? Although Flynn is supposed to be the best QB free agent, he's seen limited action. He really hasn't played a lot because he's a back up. Would anyone here approve of Mike Shanahan bringing Jason Campbell back? Campbell, although he has tons of baggage, would be better than Grossman or Beck. Campbell would be a upgrade over both of those bums.[/quote]

If this scenario really happens, then I would draft Foles or Cousins and Kellen Moore. If the "Dirty Sanchez" is available, I would try to trade for him, however I would not give up more than a 3rd rounder. I firmly believe he could be a much better QB with a good OC like KS.

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Save the picks....Sign Flynn!!!!

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By the way, Willie Smith played terrible today.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;871655]By the way, Willie Smith played terrible today.[/quote] How did he play terrible today? He only gave up one sack against Trent Cole.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;871655]By the way, Willie Smith played terrible today.[/quote]

Willie Smith did give up a sack, several pressures, and had some struggles in the run game. Smith proved he was human today.

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[quote=Lotus;871726]Willie Smith did give up a sack, several pressures, and had some struggles in the run game. Smith proved he was human today.[/quote]
We ran over a 100 yds today with him starting. He couldn't have been that bad. He protected Grossman much better than TW.

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[quote=Landry44;871734]We ran over a 100 yds today with him starting. He couldn't have been that bad. He protected Grossman much better than TW.[/quote]

yeah, like when the DLineman used him as a ragdoll and pushed him right into and on top of grossman. great. he's a backup. our OL couldn't pass pro for ish today.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;871407]If the Redskins can't land Andrew Luck or RG3 in the draft, where do they look then? Free agency? Is Matt Flynn really the answer? Although Flynn is supposed to be the best QB free agent, he's seen limited action. He really hasn't played a lot because he's a back up. Would anyone here approve of Mike Shanahan bringing Jason Campbell back? Campbell, although he has tons of baggage, would be better than Grossman or Beck. Campbell would be a upgrade over both of those bums.[/quote]


I'd rather bet on flynn than campbell. we know campbell is, at best, a slight improvement.

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[quote=Landry44;871734]We ran over a 100 yds today with him starting. He couldn't have been that bad. He protected Grossman much better than TW.[/quote]

Something I've been saying since the beginning of the year and even dating back to last year. As the season goes on and the more chemistry developed by the O-Line the better the running game.

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[quote=Landry44;871701]How did he play terrible today? He only gave up one sack against Trent Cole.[/quote]
If you watched the game you would see that he was being used like a bowling ball. Rex sucks, but he did a great job of getting the ball out, but he sucked more than normal, because he was throwing of his back foot the whole game.

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The iggles have a good pass rush. I thought the o-line wasn't bad, but Rex was hurried a fair bit. One thing about old Rex--mobile he ain't.

Obviously, this isn't the starting o-line we want. Trent is far better than Willie. But the nice thing to see is that the running game is beginning to go, no matter who we have in there. This is key to Shanny's system. Now we need depth (and health... and put down that doobie...) and a few more serious bodies on the o-line and a real QB.

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if we get trent back and sign/draft 1 guy, we'll be decent at OL, sign/draft 2 guys and we'll be good. (RG/RT). bouncing 3 of these "starters" back to depth (and dumping brown) would leave me pretty happy.

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Just curious what people think about getting Stevie Johnson, if the Bills let him walk. I wouldn't mind seeing him along with Hank as our top WRs next season. McCardell would need to control his TD celebration antics, but I think this is minor compared to a diva like DJax.

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[quote=Ruhskins;872708]Just curious what people think about getting Stevie Johnson, if the Bills let him walk. I wouldn't mind seeing him along with Hank as our top WRs next season. McCardell would need to control his TD celebration antics, but I think this is minor compared to a diva like DJax.[/quote]

He seems to suffer from the dropsies far too often for me.

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[quote=Ruhskins;872708]Just curious what people think about getting Stevie Johnson, if the Bills let him walk. I wouldn't mind seeing him along with Hank as our top WRs next season. McCardell would need to control his TD celebration antics, but I think this is minor compared to a diva like DJax.[/quote]

what's the price? he's a good WR, but he's not blackmon or CJ, and I'd prefer a difference maker.