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[quote=hooskins;848030]How good does Jason Campbell look right about now? Better than Grossman and Beck IMO.[/quote]

I wish Shanahan would have had the balls to keep Campbell the way Harbaugh kept A. Smith. It would have made our draft strategy for the past two offseasons much better if we had not wasted picks on McNabb. Oh well, could've, should've, would've.

[QUOTE=Defensewins;848035]We have not seen anything of Beck yet. We do not yet know for sure what we have in Beck. Hopefully we will see in the next week or two. It is too soon to make that comment.[/QUOTE]

Not soon enough for me. I've seen plenty of Campbell and enough of Beck. Campbell is better.

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Rex stunk but I suspect he will start next week.

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[quote=Defensewins;848035]We have not seen anything of Beck yet. We do not yet know for sure what we have in Beck. Hopefully we will see in the next week or two. It is too soon to make that comment.[/quote]

Agree. Back up QBs always have a bit of an advantage when subbing in. Starting for the team after the opponent has time to gameplan against you is a whole different ball game. Yet I still think MS needs to make the call to start Beck ASAP.

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I have a hard time giving a feck what Jason Butterfingers Campbell is doing today.
When he was here, he sucked.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;848085]I have a hard time giving a feck what Jason Butterfingers Campbell is doing today.
When he was here, he sucked.[/quote]

I don't think I would say Campbell ever totally "sucked".
He just wasn't good, he rarely lost games for us, he rarely won them too.
He didn't throw a lot of picks, but he did take sacks...he was coached by Gibbs who told him to throw it away or take a sack instead of throwing into double coverage the way Grossman does chronically.

Campbell is a game manager and that is all, ironically, that is what we kind of need right now...of course better that that would be good too, which is what they thought they'd get with McNabb...if Beck can get to Campbell's level, I'd say we got a steal from the Ravens when we got him.
I sure hope Beck can manage a game without turning the damn ball over so much they way Grossman does

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Unless Ryan Kerrigan turns into a year-in year-out All Pro, (and I think he could), not taking a QB in the last draft might be legitimately questioned.

Especially if there's still not going to be a QB worth taking next year. How long can you go without even starting to look for your quarterback of the future?

[QUOTE=skinsnut;848096]

Campbell is a game manager and that is all, ironically, that is what we kind of need right now...of course better that that would be good too, which is what they thought they'd get with McNabb...[/QUOTE]

This

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[quote=hooskins;848103]This[/quote]

I've seen this new phrase several times in the last year...can you let me know what "this" is short for?

I understand it means "I agree" but it must be short for something.

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I think more often than not you need a quarterback to go out and win the game. That's what separates the playoff and championship teams in this league. Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rivers aren't "managers". You put the ball in their hands to score points and get the win.

A "game manager" would not have helped today. We were behind, couldn't run the ball, and needed two scores in the fourth quarter just to tie the game.

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[quote=Beemnseven;848098]Unless Ryan Kerrigan turns into a year-in year-out All Pro, (and I think he could), [B]not taking a QB in the last draft might be legitimately questioned[/B].

Especially if there's still not going to be a QB worth taking next year. How long can you go without even starting to look for your quarterback of the future?[/quote]

No way, Kerrigan was the right choice. The QB last draft class wasnt very good. We made the right moves in the draft.

This year's top prospects are much higher quality guys IMO. Much better.

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[quote=Beemnseven;848098]Unless Ryan Kerrigan turns into a year-in year-out All Pro, (and I think he could), not taking a QB in the last draft might be legitimately questioned.

Especially if there's still not going to be a QB worth taking next year. How long can you go without even starting to look for your quarterback of the future?[/quote]

You have to debate Ponder/Gabbert at 10 vs. what we got instead, which includes Kerrigan, Hankerson, Gomes, and Hurt.

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[quote=Chico23231;848138]No way, Kerrigan was the right choice. The QB last draft class wasnt very good. We made the right moves in the draft.

This year's top prospects are much higher quality guys IMO. Much better.[/quote]agree 100%

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One thing about Shanahan is that he will not take a QB unless he's truly a skilled one. That's why Cutler is the only 1st round QB he has ever taken.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;848140]You have to debate Ponder/Gabbert at 10 vs. what we got instead, which includes Kerrigan, Hankerson, Gomes, and Hurt.[/quote]

This is true.

And Ponder presumably has not shown enough to unseat DMac5. Gabbert has played poorly. So if we were looking for a QB for RIGHT NOW, neither of those guys would have provided much of an option.

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[quote=hooskins;848103]This[/quote]

Its funny cause I never thought JC was much of a game manager, he always seemed lost out there. It also amazed me that for a guy that played QB his whole life he had 0 pocket awareness.

I think the Skins are better coached and schemed than they have been in years but my bigests concern with Shanny is that he has never done anything with with with a QB not named Elway.

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[quote=Chico23231;848138]No way, Kerrigan was the right choice. The QB last draft class wasnt very good. We made the right moves in the draft.

This year's top prospects are much higher quality guys IMO. Much better.[/quote]

Not to start an argument, but this QB class wasn't good, huh??

Newton is lighting it up and Dalton has been very effective... leading the Bengals to a 4-2 record. Ponder looked decent in preseason as well... can't judge this class yet, really, but they aren't terrible I know that and I know there is at least 2 that are better than what we have now.

Kerrigan was the right choice... but right now, I think I'd take Dalton over Hankerson, Gomes, and Hurd combined.... that's just me.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;848167]Not to start an argument, but this QB class wasn't good, huh??

Newton is lighting it up and Dalton has been very effective... leading the Bengals to a 4-2 record. Ponder looked decent in preseason as well... can't judge this class yet, really, but they aren't terrible I know that and I know there is at least 2 that are better than what we have now.

Kerrigan was the right choice... but right now, I think I'd take Dalton over Hankerson, Gomes, and Hurd combined.... that's just me.[/quote]

Cam been super human. Locker, yet to be seen. But neither were in a position to be drafted by us. Ponder and Gabbert were reaches. Dalton, yeah id take him, but not over Kerrigan. I liked Dalton coming out...not as a first round pick. Take a look at some of the QBs coming out this year, there is some really good talent.

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[quote=Chico23231;848138]No way, Kerrigan was the right choice. The QB last draft class wasnt very good. We made the right moves in the draft.

This year's top prospects are much higher quality guys IMO. Much better.[/quote]

Absolutely agree. Hard to argue with one of, if not the best, drafts we've had in years. And as you mention, by all accounts this years QB class should be much better. I think the FO did an excellent job and had the foresight to look ahead to next years class.

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[quote=53Fan;848177]Absolutely agree. Hard to argue with one of, if not the best, drafts we've had in years. And as you mention, by all accounts this years QB class should be much better. I think the FO did an excellent job and had the foresight to look ahead to next years class.[/quote]
Matt Barkley in a Skins Uniform? Maybe....thing is This unknown we have on the roster would really need to screw up next week

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What was very clear to me was on one play where Beck looked to his left where a couple routes were going, then whipped his head to the right side of the field and through an incomplete pass.

It was the first time i've felt the QB has made a progression all year.

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yes, beck sure did look alot more poised and cerebral than grossman, as well as heaps more mobile than fat boy. I dunno, Ive been calling for him for the past 3 weeks, but I think I truly believe that shanahan made a HUGE mistake starting grossman over beck. It put beck 4 weeks behind the power curve, but I guess being 3-2 after the grossman factor can't be looked at as a loss, it seems that lady luck was on her knees for us lately. We are truly lucky to have a winning record. Maybe Beck can show more poise back there, and start to make some plays. If he is going to show he can succeed in this league, he needs to show it in the red zone. If he can bump up our production down there a bit and limit the turnovers, this season can still be salvageable, and we could contend for the division still. If Shanahan stays with grossman, I will not watch one more washington redskin game until the guy gets benched again or cut. I just don't have the intestinal fortitude to withstand watching Grossman try to play the quarterback position any longer. If he stays with Rex, then his ego is WAY bigger than anyone thought. We will see.

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9 int's in 5 games.......that is all that needs to be said. Lost by 7 points with 4 int's easily could've been a game we won.

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[quote=Gtothearry;848221]9 int's in 5 games.......that is all that needs to be said. Lost by 7 points with 4 int's easily could've been a game we won.[/quote]

But but he's 3-2 as a starter.

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[quote=Gtothearry;848221]9 int's in 5 games.......that is all that needs to be said. Lost by 7 points with 4 int's easily could've been a game we won.[/quote]

9? IN 5 GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean, how the f*ck can Shanny defend Rex starting another game? That is just god aweful

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[quote=Dirtbag59;848223]But but he's 3-2 as a starter.[/quote]

I say the defense is a 3-2 starter.

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66.5 rating so far this season. We have the 31st ranked qb!

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jeez, i feel sick to my stomach thinking that after the first week I was thinking to myself that Mike Shanahan might have been onto something with rex grossman. my god is hindsight 20 20.

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[quote=Gtothearry;848228]66.5 rating so far this season. We have the 31st ranked qb![/quote]

nice thanks for the stat. Im using that in the S Smackdown...just a horrible QB

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[quote=Chico23231;848224]9? IN 5 GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [B]I mean, how the f*ck can Shanny defend Rex starting another game?[/B] That is just god aweful[/quote]

I don't think he will. Hard to imagine a worse game than the one Grossman played today.

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That was the worse display of passing I've seen since Brunell. There is no way Shanny can justify allowing this guy to start another game. I'll much rather go with Beck.

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I think he will make the switch. In the presser he said he would look at the film and then make a decision. If you have confidence in your qb u wouldn't say that.

I thought often today "who are you throwing too"? I like how Beck does moves through his reads and then makes a throw or tucks it and runs. I actually feel like he can get away from DE's and LB's where with Rex u may as well count on a INT or fumble strip.

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The biggest loss today is the Offensive Line. First we get Erik Cook in their which is a Rabach deja vu with a couple extra inches. Then we got Trent "dumb penalty" Williams out for maybe 2 to 3 weeks.

I love Beck but this team was built around a fancier version of Martyball. Play great defense, run the ball well, and make sure the QB doesn't turn the ball over 4 times.

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I don't think either qb is a good choice. If it's Beck hopefully he can play game manager football for the rest of the season, but I think our offensive line is about to suffer from losing Lichtensteiger and potentially T.Will for a few weeks. We can't run the ball for shit with them out, and if we can't run the ball we've got nothing.

I'm looking forward to next year with a better qb under center.

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I haven't posted on here for a while, but I'm pretty pissed-off at this team. I wished that the NFL season got canceled due to the lock-out. I'm sick and tired of this team sucking balls season after season regardless of who the coach is. F this team!!!

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Whoever thought that going into a season with John Beck and Rex Grossman as the only quarterbacks would come back to bite us?

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Sorry, but I have to say this again; F this team!!! There I feel better, now I can go back to my life.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;848241]The biggest loss today is the Offensive Line. First we get Erik Cook in their which is a Rabach deja vu with a couple extra inches. Then we got Trent "dumb penalty" Williams out for maybe 2 to 3 weeks.

I love Beck but this team was built around a fancier version of Martyball. Play great defense, run the ball well, and make sure the QB doesn't turn the ball over 4 times.[/quote]

I didn't think Cook looked any worse then a backup, and that's what he is. He protected well at times and did give up a sack. I think both reserves played good, but not as good as our starters. I really am regretting not having a backup G on the roster right now. Monty is becoming the best center we've had in FOREVER for this team, and now we move him back to guard? :(

I do think having a 6'8 center is going to hurt us though lol

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[quote=GTripp0012;848248]Whoever thought that going into a season with John Beck and Rex Grossman as the only quarterbacks would come back to bite us?[/quote]

No sarcasm in that post.

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[quote=GTripp0012;848248]Whoever thought that going into a season with John Beck and Rex Grossman as the only quarterbacks would come back to bite us?[/quote]

:laughing- Right?! How could not having an established starting quarterback hurt us? With Grossman crapping it up and Beck not really tearing it up either, I think back to an excellent point made by somebody else. If you've got 2 starting quarterbacks, you really don't have any.