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[quote=mooby;1045934]Why would anyone think RG3 has played terrible enough to deserve a qb competition in the offseason? I mean, does anyone remember the Rex Grossman/John Beck disaster? Quite amazing what one bad season can do.[/quote]

If Griffin had the type of season he's having last year, I think we'd be pretty damn pleased.

He's on pace to throw for 4,000 yards and 20 TDs.

Problem is his rookie year set the bar so ridiculously high and add in the knee injury and I think most people's expectations never quite meshed with reality.

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Griffin's lack of development been exposed because the Redskins are throwing a lot more.

The Redskins are throwing a lot more because they've been trailing the whole season.

They've been trailing the whole season because they lack quality players and entire quality units, and also can't hold leads that Griffin does get them.

They lack quality players in some part because of the Griffin trade -- but also because they can't identify them.

There is a single, central problem with this team from which all the losing stems from.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1045966]Griffin's lack of development been exposed because the Redskins are throwing a lot more.

The Redskins are throwing a lot more because they've been trailing the whole season.

They've been trailing the whole season because they lack quality players and entire quality units, and also can't hold leads that Griffin does get them.

They lack quality players in some part because of the Griffin trade -- but also because they can't identify them.

There is a single, central problem with this team from which all the losing stems from.[/quote]

36 mill will do that. I think for any coach thinking about coming here, looking at our cap situation and the our starting QB, should make this job highly attractive. Thats really an unspoken positive, our contract situations with personel is outstanding.

Another attractive thing is the way of course Snyder throws money at coaching staffs...Shanny is a 7 mil per year coach?thats crazy to me.

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$110 million is plenty if you can identify good football players. And if you can't, an extra $16 million isn't going to make it any easier.

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[quote=Chico23231;1045970]36 mill will do that. I think for any coach thinking about coming here, [B]looking at our cap situation[/B] and the our starting QB, should make this job highly attractive. Thats really an unspoken positive, our contract situations with personel is outstanding.

Another attractive thing is the way of course Snyder throws money at coaching staffs...Shanny is a 7 mil per year coach?thats crazy to me.[/quote]

What's our most expensive/onerous contract that we have? Garcon maybe? I can't think of anyone on the roster (who is sure to be here next year) that has a unwieldly contract like we've had in the past.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1045971]$110 million is plenty if you can identify good football players. And if you can't, an extra $16 million isn't going to make it any easier.[/quote]

It would help. Thats why you cant be stupid and sign an Albert Haynesworth. I think in the end could be a blessing, someone gonna come in here with an excellent situation, with alot of young guys not locked up and more important alot of old vet not locked up AND with 18 mil clear on the books. Oh and a franchise QB.

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[quote=Paintrain;1045972]What's our most expensive/onerous contract that we have? Garcon maybe? I can't think of anyone on the roster (who is sure to be here next year) that has a unwieldly contract like we've had in the past.[/quote]

off the top, silverback, garcon, and Bowen stick out as big contracts

Garcon and Silverback, nice contributors. Bowen is meh in his performance.

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[quote=Chico23231;1045974]off the top, silverback, garcon, and Bowen stick out as big contracts

Garcon and Silverback, nice contributors. Bowen is meh in his performance.[/quote]

Coming off of two average years production wise and microfracture surgery, I don't see Bowen back next year. Cofield makes big coin as well now that I think of it. He may restructure but he's a keeper, regardless of scheme.

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[quote=Chico23231;1045974]off the top, silverback, garcon, and Bowen stick out as big contracts

Garcon and Silverback, nice contributors. Bowen is meh in his performance.[/quote]

Compared to what Mike Wallace got and the production factor thrown in I would say we got Garcon on a bargain compared to that. Silverback was a rookie and that is when they were still overpaying rookies, Bowen is an average player to me. We signed him to a 25 million dollar deal over 5 years if I remember correctly, but we will be fine as far as cap goes. This off season I really wanna see a rebuild on the defensive side.

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[quote=Paintrain;1045972]What's our most expensive/onerous contract that we have? Garcon maybe? I can't think of anyone on the roster (who is sure to be here next year) that has a unwieldly contract like we've had in the past.[/quote]There's going to be a considerable amount of deadcap in 2014 from the Morgan, Fletcher, and Meriweather contracts. But that's not a long term issue, it's a one time deferred cap hit. And the only actual effect of the cap penalty on the long term health of the organization.

The issue isn't the deadcap, it's that those contracts didn't make the team any better.

Garcon and Cofield have bulky contracts, but they're both going to make the team next season. Bowen (I'm guessing) will not, because he's getting knee surgery and they can save a lot of cap by cutting him. The Garcon contract is going to look bad in hindsight, but I think that if they move on from Bowen after the season and Cofield a year from now, you could say that those contracts were cap dollars well spent.

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[quote=Paintrain;1045975]Coming off of two average years production wise and microfracture surgery, I don't see Bowen back next year. Cofield makes big coin as well now that I think of it. He may restructure but he's a keeper, regardless of scheme.[/quote]

If I remember correctly, Cofield makes exactly what Bowen makes. I could be wrong but I thought they were in the 5 year 25 million range along with Josh Wilson.

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London Fletcher and Josh Morgan both bring huge savings to the skins if we part ways. I believe those two alone account for roughly 10Mil in cap space.

Carrikier and Chester would save 3M a piece if cut. Montomery would save 2M in space if cut.

Credit to Cpayne5 for these numbers. We discussed it previously and I decided to steal his hard work!

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[quote=GTripp0012;1045978]There's going to be a considerable amount of deadcap in 2014 from the Morgan, Fletcher, and Meriweather contracts. But that's not a long term issue, it's a one time deferred cap hit. And the only actual effect of the cap penalty on the long term health of the organization.

The issue isn't the deadcap, it's that those contracts didn't make the team any better.

Garcon and Cofield have bulky contracts, but they're both going to make the team next season. Bowen (I'm guessing) will not, because he's getting knee surgery and they can save a lot of cap by cutting him. The Garcon contract is going to look bad in hindsight, but I think that if they move on from Bowen after the season and Cofield a year from now, you could say that those contracts were cap dollars well spent.[/quote]

Looks like Garcon could lead the league in receptions this year, not too shabby.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1045976]Compared to what Mike Wallace got and the production factor thrown in I would say we got Garcon on a bargain compared to that. Silverback was a rookie and that is when they were still overpaying rookies, Bowen is an average player to me. We signed him to a 25 million dollar deal over 5 years if I remember correctly, but we will be fine as far as cap goes. This off season I really wanna see a rebuild on the defensive side.[/quote]You're right with Trent's contract, nothing that could be done with that. Got the pick right, which is all that matters.

I'm not sure I'd compare Garcon to the worst contract of a different offseason. The most comparable contract in timing and size was Vincent Jackson, who was a better (though older) player, and signed a deal that was more team friendly for Tampa, in exchange for more dollars up front.

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[quote=Chico23231;1045982]Looks like Garcon could lead the league in receptions this year, not too shabby.[/quote]Not sure it matters if he does or doesn't. With Hankerson and Reed out, there's no other place to go with the ball. So it doesn't matter if Garcon isn't in the right place, isn't catching the ball, or is getting it stripped with the game on the line: you've still got to keep throwing it to him.