Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

[quote=30gut;927790]Bringing Cousins into the discussion just confuses the discussion with peoples knee jerk desire to defend the Cousins pick so I'm not gonna comment on it.
But, with Jammal Brown's level of play, injury and missed starts an argument could be made that addressing the RT position should have been a higher priority.
I like profootball focus metrics and Jammal Brown had a terrible rating. (-18)
According to PFF Tyler was better then Brown but not by much (-16), but at least Tyler is young and you expect him to improve with playing time and maybe he develops into a league average RT?

But, right now that's just a hope.
And if Tyler is gonna be a starter then where is our quality depth?

Imo finding a more certain solution to the RT situation should have been a much higher priority.[/quote]

I don't think there can be any reasonable argument made backup QB was a greater need than RT starter/depth for what it's worth. The debate of WR vs RT is a good one; however, I come down solidly on the oline side of the debate, particularly when it's a rookie QB expected to be our superstar. In that respect, the risk, calculated or not, our FA took by neglecting the RT position is pretty shocking...something I'd expect from the 1st time HC like Zorn.

Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

I have, for the past couple of years, been a strong advocate that we need two strong young QBs. I stand by that.

Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;927818]When the opportunity arose to pick apart the decisions of the front office again based on a little injury news.

Fact of the matter is I'd rather this happen now than after week 1. At least KL is expected back for the regular season.[/quote]

And it does present an opportunity for the young guys to get a lot of reps with the first and second groups. Better to fail now then when it counts.

Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

[quote=skinsfan69;927817]If we had to go a full season with these guys I'd be pretty concerned.[/quote]

...and yet they handled some of the best defensive lines in the NFL?? (see JR's post)


You guys absolutely kill me. :postcop:


Hatters! :hater:

Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

Never ending JB saga continues.

May not be any decision tomorrow. It's actually sounding like he may not need surgery. Question now is do you cut bait now, or maybe PUP him for the first 6 games and have him available for the back end?

Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

Can he still be put on the pup? My understanding was if you practiced at all during camp you couldnt be put in the pup. (Malcolm Kelly last year)

Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;927820]I have, for the past couple of years, been a strong advocate that we need two strong young QBs. I stand by that.[/quote]

You definitely need two strong QBs when your OL is weak. I think the guys they have now will get better soon and when cut downs start and practice squads are designated, a OT or two will be brought in. I know for sure the team has guys already on their radar who are currently playing for other teams.

Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;927832]Can he still be put on the pup? My understanding was if you practiced at all during camp you couldnt be put in the pup. (Malcolm Kelly last year)[/quote]

He hasn't practiced, so yeah

Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;927806]When did the RT position become so important in lieu of everything else?[/quote]

Since chico's Oline Offseason Edition thread where many agreed Oline and RT in particular were issues. I think QB, WR, S, RT, CB were all positions where improvement was needed. The Cap penalty was certainly an issue, but there were certainly veteran players who were available and affordable. Ill still point to both the 3rd and 4th round where there was solid RT talent. Options were available and we got fooled again.

Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

[quote=Chico23231;927835]Since chico's Oline Offseason Edition thread where many agreed Oline and RT in particular were issues. I think QB, WR, S, RT, CB were all positions where improvement was needed. The Cap penalty was certainly an issue, but there were certainly veteran players who were available and affordable. Ill still point to both the 3rd and 4th round where there was solid RT talent. Options were available and we got fooled again.[/quote]

And we made an effort to get those guys. If we hadn't drafted LeRibeus in the 3rd people would be complaining we have no depth behind Lichtensteiger

Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;927820]I have, for the past couple of years, been a strong advocate that we need two strong young QBs. I stand by that.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more.

But IMO Cousins is not the second young QB we need and we could have used the Cousins pick more wisely.

Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;927829]Never ending JB saga continues.

May not be any decision tomorrow. It's actually sounding like he may not need surgery. Question now is do you cut bait now, or maybe PUP him for the first 6 games and have him available for the back end?[/quote]

I would rather young talent get the snaps. JB is a known commodity; we know he wont be healthy down the road. If consistency is key to O-Line play, he shouldnt be a part of it. Cut bait.

Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

[quote=NC_Skins;927827]...and yet they handled some of the best defensive lines in the NFL?? (see JR's post)


You guys absolutely kill me. :postcop:


Hatters! :hater:[/quote]

Your's and Joe's argument is a good one.

However, multiple reports from camp say that Polumbus and Smith have struggled mightily. If they have regressed, then the argument for what they did last year is moot and the RT position is a concern.

Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

[quote=Monksdown;927838]I would rather young talent get the snaps. JB is a known commodity; we know he wont be healthy down the road. If consistency is key to O-Line play, he shouldnt be a part of it. Cut bait.[/quote]

I'm with you.

Re: We've got big trouble on the OL.
 

[quote=Monksdown;927838]I would rather young talent get the snaps. JB is a known commodity; we know he wont be healthy down the road. If consistency is key to O-Line play, he shouldnt be a part of it. Cut bait.[/quote]+2
I was with you 2 offseasons ago.