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[quote=Mattyk;891492][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/02/gregg-williams-apologizes-for-terrible-mistake/]Gregg Williams apologizes for “terrible mistake” | ProFootballTalk[/url]

What else do you need to see?[/quote]

Whether it was bounties for hard but clean hits, or for knockout hits to injure other players. Playing for bounties is against league rules regardless, but it makes a BIG difference if it was meant for legal or illegal hits. If it is for legal hits then the whole league will be fined and suspended. The penalty for the Saints should be a lot different based on the meaning of the program IMO.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;891502]OMG [url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8275c188/article/report-nfl-looking-into-redskins-bounty-system-under-williams?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Report: NFL looking into Redskins' 'bounty' system under Williams[/url][/quote]

Well here we f*cking go. Ex players need to keep their mouth shut...stop snitchin

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[quote=SkinzWin;891503]Whether it was bounties for hard but clean hits, or for knockout hits to injure other players. Playing for bounties is against league rules regardless, but it makes a BIG difference if it was meant for legal or illegal hits. If it is for legal hits then the whole league will be fined and suspended. The penalty for the Saints should be a lot different based on the meaning of the program IMO.[/quote]

They broke the rules, plain and simple, and tried to cover it up. We're arguing semantics at this point.

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[quote=Mattyk;891506]They broke the rules, plain and simple, and tried to cover it up. We're arguing semantics at this point.[/quote]

I understand that. But that's like saying the penalty for rape or murder is the same as assault or petty larceny. Rules can be broken in a more or less severe way. Don't you think that if the program was to intentionally hurt the penalty by the league should be worse than if it was a pay for performance program but with clean hits?

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;891502]OMG [url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8275c188/article/report-nfl-looking-into-redskins-bounty-system-under-williams?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Report: NFL looking into Redskins' 'bounty' system under Williams[/url][/quote]

Of course they're investigating us. At the very least it's a violation of the CBA. Lets hope they only view it as a minor violation and fine us money or a mid round pick and that the reason the hammer is being brought down on New Orleans is due to the fact that they were asked to stop.

[quote]So the New Orleans Saints were dumb enough to continue a “bounty” system even after the NFL investigated them once, after owner Tom Benson told general manager Mickey Loomis to have it stopped and, worst of all, long after it had stopped working. [/quote]

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[quote=That Guy;891466]no, that just LL.

and i don't know why people are so surprised or defensive about it. We caused a LOT of opposing injuries when GW was here, and playing after the whistle was pretty common too.

people are always going to want to take out the other guys QB though, it just makes sense if you want a better shot at winning. but an illegal hit is still an illegal hit, and they all violated the NFL's contract law, which is sorta like getting capone on tax evasion, but there's that too.[/quote]

Heck in 2010 we got 2 of our 6 wins by knocking the starting QB out of the game in games against Philly and Tennessee.

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To be fair in the Eagles game we were already winning when Vick was knocked out.

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[quote=SkinzWin;891507]I understand that. But that's like saying the penalty for rape or murder is the same as assault or petty larceny. Rules can be broken in a more or less severe way. Don't you think that if the program was to intentionally hurt the penalty by the league should be worse than if it was a pay for performance program but with clean hits?[/quote]

I don't think you can draw a line between paying for clean hits or knockout shots. Either way it's illegal and the penalty should be severe regardless.

Let's not be naive, I think GW was paying for rewarding players for both types of hits.

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[quote=Mattyk;891511]I don't think you can draw a line between paying for clean hits or knockout shots. Either way it's illegal and the penalty should be severe regardless.

Let's not be naive, I think GW was paying for rewarding players for both types of hits.[/quote]

He was using the phrase "kill shots." How anyone can be arguing that this is on the up and up is funny and stupid.

He wanted to knock out the top players on the opponents offense, and likened doing so to cutting off the head of a snake. He wanted the opponents best players out of the game, plain and simple. That doesn't mean he didn't reward good play that wasn't dirty- a la Philip Daniels getting $1500 for 4 sacks- but to encourage "kill shots" is deplorable. You're talking about peoples lives and livelihood. Football is dangerous enough without that kind of thuggery.

I mean, Williams himself apologized for it, called it a mistake, and said he knew it was wrong while he was doing it. Like you said, if the main culprit admitted it and said he was wrong, what else is there to defend?

Those of you excusing any of this should just stop. You're lowering the overall IQ of this message board.

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Major difference is that it was not an issue that the whole staff and organization were complicit in. We will likely get hit with a fine akin to lack of organizational control but I doubt we lose a pick.

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[quote=Paintrain;891523]Major difference is that it was not an issue that the whole staff and organization were complicit in. We will likely get hit with a fine akin to lack of organizational control but I doubt we lose a pick.[/quote]

True dat. Perhaps another difference is that the Saints continued after a warning. It remains unclear that we were warned but continued on anyway.

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[quote=Paintrain;891523]Major difference is that it was not an issue that the whole staff and organization were complicit in. We will likely get hit with a fine akin to lack of organizational control but I doubt we lose a pick.[/quote]


Are you sure?I ask becuase if I remember right Gegg Williams was the #1 canidate to replace Joe Gibbs and even Williams himself thought he was getting the job,what happen ...did Dan Snyder know and just dump him ,Vinnie??? Your thoughts?

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I really hope we don't get punished for this. When is it enough time to say 'hey we can't punish them for this.' ??

I mean really, if the Raiders of the 80s we doing steroids and coaches supplied them of it, do the coaches, players and organization really get punished for what happened years ago with players that aren't even on that team anymore?

I will be furious if we lose a pick that could be crucial in us getting RG3..

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[quote=Lotus;891527]True dat. Perhaps another difference is that the Saints continued after a warning. It remains unclear that we were warned but continued on anyway.[/quote]

It's pretty unbelievable that the owner, GM, and head coach all knew about it, and yet it continued.

[QUOTE=GMScud;891512]He was using the phrase "kill shots." How anyone can be arguing that this is on the up and up is funny and stupid.

He wanted to knock out the top players on the opponents offense, and likened doing so to cutting off the head of a snake. He wanted the opponents best players out of the game, plain and simple. That doesn't mean he didn't reward good play that wasn't dirty- a la Philip Daniels getting $1500 for 4 sacks- but to encourage "kill shots" is deplorable. You're talking about peoples lives and livelihood. Football is dangerous enough without that kind of thuggery.

I mean, Williams himself apologized for it, called it a mistake, and said he knew it was wrong while he was doing it. Like you said, if the main culprit admitted it and said he was wrong, what else is there to defend?

Those of you excusing any of this should just stop. You're lowering the overall IQ of this message board.[/QUOTE]

The GMScud missile ftw here.