Is Kicker Top Priority?

gibbsisgod · 01-23-2006, 04:15 PM

I am tired of the kickoffs barely making it past the 15 yard line. Starting FP is very important in todays nfl. We put our d at a disadvantage simply because Hall cant kickoff. I thought i had heard Frost could kickoff if need be but he must not be any better because we still had the master off the 55 yard kickoff playing for us. IMO we need to address this as much as our other needs simply because Gibbs likes to play the feild position game.thoughts???

RMSkins · 01-23-2006, 04:24 PM

Kicking should not be a top priority but it should be adressed I think we should bring in some competition for Hall and see how it goes from there. I think Hall's injury really affected him this year in terms of kickoffs he was pretty solid kicking field goals. But overall I think Hall will overcome his injury and be ready to go in 2006.

Dirtbag59 · 01-23-2006, 05:23 PM

I didn't get to see the games Novack kicked in expcept for the end of the first Seahawks game (since the Falcons game ended early). However if I remember right he got blocked 2 or 3 times. Was that his fault or the protections fault?

Cooley 350Z · 01-23-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I didn't get to see the games Novack kicked in expcept for the end of the first Seahawks game (since the Falcons game ended early). However if I remember right he got blocked 2 or 3 times. Was that his fault or the protections fault?

I believe his kicks were coming out low which resulted in those couple blocks. If he works on his form a little bit to improve the height of his kicks I think we should give him another loook.

70Chip · 01-23-2006, 05:31 PM

I realize that in college kickoffs are from the 35 and not the 30, but why is it that nearly every Division 1 kicker I see regularly boots the ball to or beyond the goaline and the Redskins as a professional team have not had anyone who could get it to the 5 since Lohmiller? Possibilities:

1. College uses a different ball.
2. Shorter kickoffs are on purpose because they are easier to cover.

Just wondering if anyone else had any thoughts?

Texanskin · 01-23-2006, 05:56 PM

I am tired of these punk kickers getting hurt. All you do is KICK!!!
I will tell you this John Hall better get his act in gear, he didnt kick ONE in the end zone. I would like to see Nick Novak back at Redskins Park.

Frosty just sucks. We need another punter as well. period.

Gibbs is God · 01-23-2006, 05:58 PM

WOW wat is happening to kickers these days?!?!?!
i thought vanderjagt was the best in the league up until he choked big time against pitt. john hall is DONE. im tired of waiting for him 2 come bak from injury after injury, we need a reliable, healthy, powerful kicker. where is mark mosely wen u need him.

jordanz301 · 01-23-2006, 06:38 PM

maybe we should give tom tupa another look, i cnt remmemebr did he leave from getting on the "ir" or fammily issues, cant rememmber...he was a decent punter

Dana87 · 01-23-2006, 07:02 PM

I would like to find a Jeff Hayes Clone. Back in the 80's he was the Redskins Punter that also handled kickoffs for Mosley. He was athletic enough to run fake punts and kicked off very well. A player like that would be hard to find I know, but it would allow us to keep Hall at what he does best FG's without hurting him on KO's.

dmek25 · 01-23-2006, 07:12 PM

hall makes too much money and is too injury prone.isnt there any good kickers coming out of college?punters are a dime a dozen

SKinsFanatiK777 · 01-23-2006, 07:15 PM

Hall stinks it up. We need someone with some leg. I can't stand seeing teams start near or at the 40 yard line. What happened to Novak, he was a great rookie. Maybe could have made that game winner against San Diego, and maybe would have made a crucial kick in the Seattle playoff game. Plus Hall is constantly injured and costs over 1Mil on the cap, dish him out to Buffalo or somethin.

skinsguy · 01-23-2006, 07:24 PM

I believe after Hall's string of injuries, he's toast. Let's face it, when your range ends at 45 yards, something is wrong. That shouldn't be THAT difficult of a field goal for an NFL kicker. I know I'm not qualified to say, but I've always felt that a 45 yard field goal is somewhere in the moderate range of difficulty, but not a breaking point. I don't mind if we have one of those deals where there is a field goal kicker, a seperate kick off guy, and of course a punter.

As it stands right now - a kicker is a priority, but it isn't the TOP priority. That title would go to getting a Wide Receiver.

sportscurmudgeon · 01-23-2006, 10:59 PM

1. Kicker is not nearly the #1 priority. In fact it may not even be #4.

2. What happened to the John Hall Adoration Society? When he arrived here from the Jets, his digning was one of the great thefts of NFL talent in history - - if I were to believe The Warpath threads at the time. Just last year when the Jets missed the playoffs because their kicker missed field goals in playoff games, people here chortled because the Skins had stolen the kicker who would have put the Jets "over the top". And now he's a bozo such that his replacement might be the team's "#1 priority"? Hall is a good but not great kicker; that's what he was when Danny Boy signed him and the rest of the "Jetskins" and that's what he will always be. If the Skins want a great kicker, it will cost them a lot more than they have been paying for Hall.

hurrykaine · 01-23-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

1. Kicker is not nearly the #1 priority. In fact it may not even be #4.

2. What happened to the John Hall Adoration Society? When he arrived here from the Jets, his digning was one of the great thefts of NFL talent in history - - if I were to believe The Warpath threads at the time. Just last year when the Jets missed the playoffs because their kicker missed field goals in playoff games, people here chortled because the Skins had stolen the kicker who would have put the Jets "over the top". And now he's a bozo such that his replacement might be the team's "#1 priority"? Hall is a good but not great kicker; that's what he was when Danny Boy signed him and the rest of the "Jetskins" and that's what he will always be. If the Skins want a great kicker, it will cost them a lot more than they have been paying for Hall.

He's not a great kicker as you say, but the problem is that he's gone from being a good kicker in 2003 to being below serviceable. Injuries surely are to blame, but what's the sense in paying a kicker that can't kickoff more than 50-55 yards and can't make 50+ yard FGs $ 1.8 million? I know that given needs on WR#2 , O-line and Defense that we can't afford a Vinetieri or Vanderjagt, but we can surely get some competition into camp to give Hall a run for his money.

MTK · 01-23-2006, 11:57 PM

Hall's stock has fallen because he just can't seem to stay healthy and it's definitely hurt his power.

I don't think we'll cut him outright without having a solid replacement, I think he'll be challenged in camp, and not by some camp fodder kicker who's just there to keep him company.

01-23-2006, 05:23 PM	#3
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 38 Posts: 14,750	Re: Is Kicker Top Priority? I didn't get to see the games Novack kicked in expcept for the end of the first Seahawks game (since the Falcons game ended early). However if I remember right he got blocked 2 or 3 times. Was that his fault or the protections fault?

01-23-2006, 05:31 PM	#5
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 53 Posts: 3,048	Re: Is Kicker Top Priority? I realize that in college kickoffs are from the 35 and not the 30, but why is it that nearly every Division 1 kicker I see regularly boots the ball to or beyond the goaline and the Redskins as a professional team have not had anyone who could get it to the 5 since Lohmiller? Possibilities: 1. College uses a different ball. 2. Shorter kickoffs are on purpose because they are easier to cover. Just wondering if anyone else had any thoughts? __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

01-23-2006, 05:56 PM	#6
Texanskin Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Skins fan in the Dallas area Posts: 187	Re: Is Kicker Top Priority? I am tired of these punk kickers getting hurt. All you do is KICK!!! I will tell you this John Hall better get his act in gear, he didnt kick ONE in the end zone. I would like to see Nick Novak back at Redskins Park. Frosty just sucks. We need another punter as well. period. __________________ We are finally looking like a respectable opponent.....Lets keep it going!!!

01-23-2006, 05:58 PM	#7
Gibbs is God Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Richmond,VA Age: 32 Posts: 20	Re: Is Kicker Top Priority? WOW wat is happening to kickers these days?!?!?! i thought vanderjagt was the best in the league up until he choked big time against pitt. john hall is DONE. im tired of waiting for him 2 come bak from injury after injury, we need a reliable, healthy, powerful kicker. where is mark mosely wen u need him.

01-23-2006, 06:38 PM	#8
jordanz301 Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: damascus, maryland Age: 36 Posts: 161	Re: Is Kicker Top Priority? maybe we should give tom tupa another look, i cnt remmemebr did he leave from getting on the "ir" or fammily issues, cant rememmber...he was a decent punter

01-23-2006, 04:15 PM	#1
gibbsisgod Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: 129 W 81st street Age: 45 Posts: 3,503	Is Kicker Top Priority? I am tired of the kickoffs barely making it past the 15 yard line. Starting FP is very important in todays nfl. We put our d at a disadvantage simply because Hall cant kickoff. I thought i had heard Frost could kickoff if need be but he must not be any better because we still had the master off the 55 yard kickoff playing for us. IMO we need to address this as much as our other needs simply because Gibbs likes to play the feild position game.thoughts???

01-23-2006, 04:24 PM	#2
RMSkins The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 35 Posts: 1,066	Re: Is Kicker Top Priority? Kicking should not be a top priority but it should be adressed I think we should bring in some competition for Hall and see how it goes from there. I think Hall's injury really affected him this year in terms of kickoffs he was pretty solid kicking field goals. But overall I think Hall will overcome his injury and be ready to go in 2006.

01-23-2006, 07:02 PM	#9
Dana87 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Saint Augustine, Florida Age: 62 Posts: 130	Re: Is Kicker Top Priority? I would like to find a Jeff Hayes Clone. Back in the 80's he was the Redskins Punter that also handled kickoffs for Mosley. He was athletic enough to run fake punts and kicked off very well. A player like that would be hard to find I know, but it would allow us to keep Hall at what he does best FG's without hurting him on KO's. __________________ "Home Field Advantage Throughout the '06 Playoffs"

01-23-2006, 07:12 PM	#10
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 62 Posts: 10,672	Re: Is Kicker Top Priority? hall makes too much money and is too injury prone.isnt there any good kickers coming out of college?punters are a dime a dozen

01-23-2006, 07:15 PM	#11
SKinsFanatiK777 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3	Re: Is Kicker Top Priority? Hall stinks it up. We need someone with some leg. I can't stand seeing teams start near or at the 40 yard line. What happened to Novak, he was a great rookie. Maybe could have made that game winner against San Diego, and maybe would have made a crucial kick in the Seattle playoff game. Plus Hall is constantly injured and costs over 1Mil on the cap, dish him out to Buffalo or somethin.

01-23-2006, 07:24 PM	#12
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Is Kicker Top Priority? I believe after Hall's string of injuries, he's toast. Let's face it, when your range ends at 45 yards, something is wrong. That shouldn't be THAT difficult of a field goal for an NFL kicker. I know I'm not qualified to say, but I've always felt that a 45 yard field goal is somewhere in the moderate range of difficulty, but not a breaking point. I don't mind if we have one of those deals where there is a field goal kicker, a seperate kick off guy, and of course a punter. As it stands right now - a kicker is a priority, but it isn't the TOP priority. That title would go to getting a Wide Receiver. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

01-23-2006, 10:59 PM	#13
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Is Kicker Top Priority? 1. Kicker is not nearly the #1 priority. In fact it may not even be #4. 2. What happened to the John Hall Adoration Society? When he arrived here from the Jets, his digning was one of the great thefts of NFL talent in history - - if I were to believe The Warpath threads at the time. Just last year when the Jets missed the playoffs because their kicker missed field goals in playoff games, people here chortled because the Skins had stolen the kicker who would have put the Jets "over the top". And now he's a bozo such that his replacement might be the team's "#1 priority"? Hall is a good but not great kicker; that's what he was when Danny Boy signed him and the rest of the "Jetskins" and that's what he will always be. If the Skins want a great kicker, it will cost them a lot more than they have been paying for Hall. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

01-23-2006, 11:57 PM	#15
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 51 Posts: 99,449	Re: Is Kicker Top Priority? Hall's stock has fallen because he just can't seem to stay healthy and it's definitely hurt his power. I don't think we'll cut him outright without having a solid replacement, I think he'll be challenged in camp, and not by some camp fodder kicker who's just there to keep him company.

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