Sportsline.com/Judge giving us no love

gortiz · 07-13-2005, 12:14 AM

By Clark Judge
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer

7. Will Joe Gibbs get it turned around in Washington?

No, and, trust me, it hurts to say it. The classy Gibbs was a great coach who pulled the most out of his clubs in the 1980s. But that was two decades ago, and Gibbs last year seemed out of step with the times. I know, the Redskins changed their offense and blocking schemes, but does anyone really believe this team is better with Santana Moss instead of Laveranues Coles? Without Fred Smoot? Without Antonio Pierce? Plus, what's the deal with Sean Taylor? Then there's this: If the organization doesn't believe it can win with Patrick Ramsey -- as the draft of first-rounder Jason Campbell suggests -- why should we? The problem with Washington is that there hasn't been consistency with the players or the coaching staff since Dan Snyder took over, and that's a recipe for disaster. Fasten your

This is what kills me, Smoot and Pierce have one good year each and all of a sudden they are the backbone to this team and losing them will be one of the main reasons why joe gibbs WILL NOT "turn it around" in D.C. Did he forget we were 6-10? We had other issues, and they were not entirely with personel.

Also, he acts like losing Coles was some blow to the offense? Weak, very weak.

Was Gibbs "out of step with the times" last year. At times, yes. Does he deserve the benefit of the doubt to turn it around? Hmmmm, I wonder.

manicd · 07-13-2005, 12:28 AM

Yeah, I'm so sick of hearing about the departure of Smoot and Peirce killing our team. I can't beleive it. These idiots are just quoting other idiots. I have yet to hear anything original in why the Skins won't succeed this coming year. It is always 1. Smoot and Peirce leaving 2. Gibbs doesn't trust Ramsey, and 3. Moss isn't as good as Coles. Fine, have your opinion. Problem is, this isn't this guys opionion. I don't know who was the first jackass writer to type this dribble down, but it is the same article every freaking time. It's almost bordering on comical. In all seriousness, I've seen this article at least a dozen times, with the wording slightly different.

SmootSmack · 07-13-2005, 12:32 AM

Here's someone on our side

Daseal · 07-13-2005, 12:38 AM

Smoot played pretty well for his entire career. Not just one good season. Walt Harris at starting CB scares me a bit, and with the delays to Rogers, I think GWs system could be hurting. CBs are so important in his system, if Walt doesn't really step up our defense could be in trouble.

SmootSmack · 07-13-2005, 12:43 AM

What scares you about Walt Harris starting?

Jamaican'Skin · 07-13-2005, 12:44 AM

Thats was a fair and refreshing artice, Thnks TAFKAS

JWsleep · 07-13-2005, 12:52 AM

Keep underestimating us. Fine with me. See us as an easy week, look ahead to the next "big" game, go ahead. Everybody knows that Drew Bledsoe's Dallas cowroids are the real rising power in the division.

(I like that article, TAFKAS--a refreshing change.)

Redskins8588 · 07-13-2005, 01:59 AM

Smoot did play well for us while he was here, but I dont understand how these analists keep talking about Perice like he was our 1st round draft choice that we just lost. Last time I checked wasnt he a undrafted free agent that we got lucky on? Yes Perice was awesome for us last season and I wished that he would have stayed, but just the fact that he left us for bigger money kinda spells out that even he knew that the system made him what he is and figured that it is time for him to get paid...

mooby · 07-13-2005, 03:05 AM

let him go. im tired of this negativity. seven or eight games into the season, critics will be talking about a turnaround, similar to the nats in the mlb, and the chargers in the nfl. oh and btw, tafkas, that article made me happy. that's hard to do nowadays considering all the bull that comes our way.

offiss · 07-13-2005, 04:26 AM

What he doesn't understand is Williams made Smoot and Pierce what they have become, Rogers is more talented than Smoot, and I think Harris is as good as Smoot, anytime he was in last year he was all over his reciever, as far as MLB we have more depth now than we did last season before Pierce stepped up.

His point about Ramsey is right on though, picking Campbell and giving up everything we gave up for him just screams disgust and distain for what Gibbs really thinks of Ramsey.

All that aside Gibbs is the key, will he catch up to today's NFL, or is he just really washed up?

07-13-2005, 12:14 AM	#1
gortiz Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 498	Sportsline.com/Judge giving us no love By Clark Judge CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer 7. Will Joe Gibbs get it turned around in Washington? No, and, trust me, it hurts to say it. The classy Gibbs was a great coach who pulled the most out of his clubs in the 1980s. But that was two decades ago, and Gibbs last year seemed out of step with the times. I know, the Redskins changed their offense and blocking schemes, but does anyone really believe this team is better with Santana Moss instead of Laveranues Coles? Without Fred Smoot? Without Antonio Pierce? Plus, what's the deal with Sean Taylor? Then there's this: If the organization doesn't believe it can win with Patrick Ramsey -- as the draft of first-rounder Jason Campbell suggests -- why should we? The problem with Washington is that there hasn't been consistency with the players or the coaching staff since Dan Snyder took over, and that's a recipe for disaster. Fasten your This is what kills me, Smoot and Pierce have one good year each and all of a sudden they are the backbone to this team and losing them will be one of the main reasons why joe gibbs WILL NOT "turn it around" in D.C. Did he forget we were 6-10? We had other issues, and they were not entirely with personel. Also, he acts like losing Coles was some blow to the offense? Weak, very weak. Was Gibbs "out of step with the times" last year. At times, yes. Does he deserve the benefit of the doubt to turn it around? Hmmmm, I wonder.

07-13-2005, 12:28 AM	#2
manicd Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 155	Re: Sportsline.com/Judge giving us no love Yeah, I'm so sick of hearing about the departure of Smoot and Peirce killing our team. I can't beleive it. These idiots are just quoting other idiots. I have yet to hear anything original in why the Skins won't succeed this coming year. It is always 1. Smoot and Peirce leaving 2. Gibbs doesn't trust Ramsey, and 3. Moss isn't as good as Coles. Fine, have your opinion. Problem is, this isn't this guys opionion. I don't know who was the first jackass writer to type this dribble down, but it is the same article every freaking time. It's almost bordering on comical. In all seriousness, I've seen this article at least a dozen times, with the wording slightly different.

07-13-2005, 12:32 AM	#3
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07-13-2005, 12:38 AM	#4
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Sportsline.com/Judge giving us no love Smoot played pretty well for his entire career. Not just one good season. Walt Harris at starting CB scares me a bit, and with the delays to Rogers, I think GWs system could be hurting. CBs are so important in his system, if Walt doesn't really step up our defense could be in trouble. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

07-13-2005, 12:43 AM	#5
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Sportsline.com/Judge giving us no love What scares you about Walt Harris starting? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

07-13-2005, 12:44 AM	#6
Jamaican'Skin The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Age: 38 Posts: 2,418	Re: Sportsline.com/Judge giving us no love Thats was a fair and refreshing artice, Thnks TAFKAS

07-13-2005, 12:52 AM	#7
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,717	Re: Sportsline.com/Judge giving us no love Keep underestimating us. Fine with me. See us as an easy week, look ahead to the next "big" game, go ahead. Everybody knows that Drew Bledsoe's Dallas cowroids are the real rising power in the division. (I like that article, TAFKAS--a refreshing change.) __________________ Hail from Houston!

07-13-2005, 01:59 AM	#8
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	Re: Sportsline.com/Judge giving us no love Smoot did play well for us while he was here, but I dont understand how these analists keep talking about Perice like he was our 1st round draft choice that we just lost. Last time I checked wasnt he a undrafted free agent that we got lucky on? Yes Perice was awesome for us last season and I wished that he would have stayed, but just the fact that he left us for bigger money kinda spells out that even he knew that the system made him what he is and figured that it is time for him to get paid... __________________ "I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor

07-13-2005, 03:05 AM	#9
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,468	Re: Sportsline.com/Judge giving us no love let him go. im tired of this negativity. seven or eight games into the season, critics will be talking about a turnaround, similar to the nats in the mlb, and the chargers in the nfl. oh and btw, tafkas, that article made me happy. that's hard to do nowadays considering all the bull that comes our way.

07-13-2005, 04:26 AM	#10
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Re: Sportsline.com/Judge giving us no love What he doesn't understand is Williams made Smoot and Pierce what they have become, Rogers is more talented than Smoot, and I think Harris is as good as Smoot, anytime he was in last year he was all over his reciever, as far as MLB we have more depth now than we did last season before Pierce stepped up. His point about Ramsey is right on though, picking Campbell and giving up everything we gave up for him just screams disgust and distain for what Gibbs really thinks of Ramsey. All that aside Gibbs is the key, will he catch up to today's NFL, or is he just really washed up?

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