Skins-Jags Positives and Negatives

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think they want to ruin him behind that OL.

That is what I am thinking. Plus they aren't exactly stocked with offensive weapons.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think they want to ruin him behind that OL.

Good point.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Separate question, anyone surprised that the Jags didn't put in Bortles? If they knew our history against backups they would have found any excuse to put him in!

Even the commentators during the game said that it made no sense to put Bortles.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Separate question, anyone surprised that the Jags didn't put in Bortles? If they knew our history against backups they would have found any excuse to put him in!

That and rookie QBs, but behind that line he might have gotten the David Carr treatment.

[WillH]

I have been firmly in the RG3 camp since the 2 were drafted, because he's talented and showed us so his rookie year, he seems like a good leader, we gave up a lot for him, and well he was our starting QB.

From day 1 though, with RG3, I held my breath on every play. And to be honest with myself, I have never seen a high profile player on this team EVER that was as fragile.

Maybe it is psychological because Cousins came at less of a price, but today I felt confident. I wasn't bracing for the hit every play. HE didn't seem to be either. He stood tall and confident, he made his reads, and delivered the ball quickly, accurately, and on time.

I think we all knew that he was the better pocket passer at this point, and surprise surprise it was Griffin going back to his run-first style that led to his injury (freak and flukey as it may have been) rather than sticking to their guns and developing him as a pocket passer.

Griffins young, and he has talent, so I don't want to count him out yet, but if Cousins keeps putting up the numbers he did today, I'm ready move on. Not that I have to be in the camp of 1 player or another, but we all know there is no room for 2 starting QBs on any team, and I just want to win.

I felt sick for Robert (I like him, he has good character), but then I finally exhaled and enjoyed good football without high blood pressure for the first time since these two were drafted, and I could totally get used to that.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by WillH

I have been firmly in the RG3 camp since the 2 were drafted, because he's talented and showed us so his rookie year, he seems like a good leader, we gave up a lot for him, and well he was our starting QB.

From day 1 though, with RG3, I held my breath on every play. And to be honest with myself, I have never seen a high profile player on this team EVER that was as fragile.

Maybe it is psychological because Cousins came at less of a price, but today I felt confident. I wasn't bracing for the hit every play. HE didn't seem to be either. He stood tall and confident, he made his reads, and delivered the ball quickly, accurately, and on time.

I think we all knew that he was the better pocket passer at this point, and surprise surprise it was Griffin going back to his run-first style that led to his injury (freak and flukey as it may have been) rather than sticking to their guns and developing him as a pocket passer.

Griffins young, and he has talent, so I don't want to count him out yet, but if Cousins keeps putting up the numbers he did today, I'm ready move on. Not that I have to be in the camp of 1 player or another, but we all know there is no room for 2 starting QBs on any team, and I just want to win.

I felt sick for Robert (I like him, he has good character), but then I finally exhaled and enjoyed good football without high blood pressure for the first time since these two were drafted, and I could totally get used to that.

The problem with RGIII is that he is very competitive and plays with a reckless style, he didn't play in a pro style offense in college and for him playing in the pocket is a learning process. Today he reverted to his reckless style of play and got hurt.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The problem with RGIII is that he is very competitive and plays with a reckless style, he didn't play in a pro style offense in college and for him playing in the pocket is a learning process. Today he reverted to his reckless style of play and got hurt.

I don't know if I called that super reckless...he landed on his foot in an odd way. If he lands okay, he probably doesn't get injured. But oh well.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't know if I called that super reckless...he landed on his foot in an odd way. If he lands okay, he probably doesn't get injured. But oh well.

When he takes of running he has taken lots of hits because he wants to do it all.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

When he takes of running he has taken lots of hits because he wants to do it all.

He was running well today, so I was focusing on that. Didn't think that was "super reckless" or anything like that. I mean he converted a first down on that pass. As I said, if his foot doesn't land in an odd way, there's prob no injury. But like I said, oh well.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't know if I called that super reckless...he landed on his foot in an odd way. If he lands okay, he probably doesn't get injured. But oh well.

This. The pocket collapsed, I honestly have no idea how people wouldn't expect a mobile quarterback to bail when he's in imminent danger of being sacked. It looked like a freak injury to me. I just hope he will still be decent when he comes back.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The problem with RGIII is that he is very competitive and plays with a reckless style, he didn't play in a pro style offense in college and for him playing in the pocket is a learning process. Today he reverted to his reckless style of play and got hurt.

Griffin made two outstanding passes from the pocket - the bomb to Jackson, and a 19 yarder up the seam to Paul. On the play he was injured, it was a called bootleg rollout, and he planted his foot at an awkward angle avoiding the LB. How is any of that reverting to reckless play? He didn't even take a hit. I call that bad luck, and I'm thankful to have a competent backup on the roster.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The problem with RGIII is that he is very competitive and plays with a reckless style, he didn't play in a pro style offense in college and for him playing in the pocket is a learning process. Today he reverted to his reckless style of play and got hurt.

RGIII did nothing "reckless" yesterday. The problem is not that he put himself in harm's way.

The problem is that he is the unluckiest dude around, or he is made of glass, or both.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Lotus

RGIII did nothing "reckless" yesterday. The problem is not that he put himself in harm's way.



The problem is that he is the unluckiest dude around, or he is made of glass, or both.

Him running outside the pocket, stiff arming a defender then throwing off balance to get a 12 yard completion could easily be considered reckless. That's just how he plays though, he always wants to extend the plays. And to be fair that's what the great ones do, but they also know when to scrap it and go to the next down.

IMO he is just not built to do what he did in college in the NFL. He is no Newton, Kap or Luck, those guys are built to with stand a few hits. RG has shown he just can't stay healthy trying to play the elusive QB that extends plays. In the NFL everyone is bigger faster and stronger, it's no where near as easy to get out of bounds as college. And after the knee surgery he easily lost at least one step if not two. And I think that's hard for him to take and understand.

[Paul Nichols]

Great win by the boys - how long has it been since we've seen something so great?

Agree with the disdain for Rambo - how he even made an NFL team is beyond me.

RGIII getting hurt gives me a bad "Mike Green" kind of feeling...

And for RG's ankle - I don't know who that announcer was, but for crying out loud, on the first replay, I said to my son - look at the way his ankle is sticking up there - that's an ankle! And the announcer after two replays was saying "Oh, he came down on his right leg". WTF?

Jaguars ain't much of a test, so it's a good sign that they slapped them down the way they did.

Next up is a good test against those damn Eagles.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

Him running outside the pocket, stiff arming a defender then throwing off balance to get a 12 yard completion could easily be considered reckless. That's just how he plays though, he always wants to extend the plays. And to be fair that's what the great ones do, but they also know when to scrap it and go to the next down.

IMO he is just not built to do what he did in college in the NFL. He is no Newton, Kap or Luck, those guys are built to with stand a few hits. RG has shown he just can't stay healthy trying to play the elusive QB that extends plays. In the NFL everyone is bigger faster and stronger, it's no where near as easy to get out of bounds as college. And after the knee surgery he easily lost at least one step if not two. And I think that's hard for him to take and understand.

All he did was roll out and throw on the run, just like 1,000 other QB's did this weekend.