Griffin's Impact on our Offense

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

We should see our running game much more productive in terms of YPC and YPG even if Kyle stays with a 60-40 ratio (though likely it will be closer to 50-50 with a rookie QB).

We can only hope.
But I have my doubts.
The ratio was 60-40 with Rex Grossman; a clearly limited QB, athlete, passer and decision maker.
Short of knowing the system (which Kyle says is easy to learn) I can't think of 1 thing that Rex does anywhere close to as well as Griffin.
Giving a pass first OC like Kyle a gifted QB, athlete, passer and decision maker may probably won't bring more balance to the pass/run ratio.
But it sure as hell is gonna help the passing game and the offense at large to justify the imbalance.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I don't know how to answer those questions above.
But between Cam and Griffin I think Cam was the better prospect.
Cam is alot like Griffin except bigger.

That Auburn team net-net had less talent then the Baylor team.
o I can't recall any good draftable OL, the Panthers either drafted late or UDFA signed an Auburn OL but I doubt that happens without Cam.

o Cam's best receiver was Darvin Adams and IIRC Adams went undrafted?

o And Auburn was heavily dependent on Cam's ability to run the ball to generate and sustain there offense.

Yeah, but Robert didn't have a good defense like Auburn did. Especially a player like Nick Fairley.

[CrustyRedskin]

Yeah but Warrern Sapp filed for bankruptcy.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Yeah but Warrern Sapp filed for bankruptcy.

And that is how much impact has with our offense.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

And that is how much impact has with our offense.

Plenty, when you think about it. See you just gotta follow the train.

Warren Sapp = bankrupt.

Kyle Shanahan = son of Mike Shanahan.

Mike Shanahan = former Raiders coach.

Warren Sapp = used to play for the Raiders.

Probability of Mike Shanahan knowing Warren Sapp because of tight inner NFL circle/also based on Warren Sapp being in the media = high

How oh how can Mike and/or Kyle S. sleep at night and/or prepare this offense to be the best it could possibly be if Warren Sapp is bankrupt!?!

We're doomed! Doomed I tells ya!

[CrustyRedskin]

Yeah but what about Antonio Cromartie.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Yeah but what about Antonio Cromartie.

Easy.

Cromartie = has many children

Mike Shanahan = has at least one child.

It's a bond only parents share!

[REDSKINS4ever]

Cam Newton had a defense at Auburn.

RG3 although a dynamic QB, was in a sense Baylor's best defensive player because of how well he played on the offensive side of the ball.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I don't know how to answer those questions above.
But between Cam and Griffin I think Cam was the better prospect.
Cam is alot like Griffin except bigger.

Mike Mayock and many other scouts disagree with you. RGIII and Cam were nothing alike in terms of a prospect other than they had speed.


The fact you have 1) Cam 2) RGIII 3) Luck rated as prospects tells me a lot...lol


You do realize Luck would have been the unquestioned #1 last year had he came out. Pretty much like he is this year.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Mike Mayock and many other scouts disagree with you. RGIII and Cam were nothing alike in terms of a prospect other than they had speed.

I'mvery comfortable having a unpopular opinion.
And speed wasn't the aspect of their games that even consider similar but you wouldn't know what aspects I'm refering to because you didn't ask you just assumed.

The fact you have 1) Cam 2) RGIII 3) Luck rated as prospects tells me a lot...lol

That I form my own opinion? or That I'm right?
I take pride in the fact that I had this opinion before Cam's rookie season and feel quite validated by Cam's rookie season.

You do realize Luck would have been the unquestioned #1 last year had he came out. Pretty much like he is this year.

Maybe in the same draft media community that tried to sell Gabbert as a better prospect then Newton and Locker but Luck wouldn't have been the unquestioned #1 for me, the same as Gabbert was not a better prospect then Locker.
And you know what? I think my thoughts although unpopular at the time were right.

-Oh and I bet dollars to doughnuts Luck wouldn't have been higher on the Panther's board either.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

-Oh and I bet dollars to doughnuts Luck wouldn't have been higher on the Panther's board either.

LOLOLOLOL. Riiiigghht. Your opinion isn't just unpopular, it's unfounded. I don't look at McShay or Kiper to get a feel for a player so disregard any media hype.

I would bet you everything I own that the Panthers would trade Cam for Luck right now in a straight up trade.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

LOLOLOLOL. Riiiigghht. Your opinion isn't just unpopular, it's unfounded. I don't look at McShay or Kiper to get a feel for a player so disregard any media hype.

Okay.
Then where do you look Mayock? He also had Gabbert ahead of Cam and Locker was he correct?

Let me get this straight.
You realize that drafting a QB is basically a crap shoot.
The NFL hits about roughly 50% of the time.
Therefore whomever you're getting your information from is only right 50% yet my dissentings opinions like having Newton and Locker ahead of Gabbert.
Are laughable even though they proved correct?
Okay.

I would bet you everything I own that the Panthers would trade Cam for Luck right now in a straight up trade.

Its ironic that you claim to 'disregard media hype' yet you honestly believe your quote above is true.
You think that the Panthers would trade their record setting landslide rookie of the year franchise QB to take a 50-50 shot?
Sure.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Okay.
Then where do you look Mayock? He also had Gabbert ahead of Cam and Locker was he correct?

He should of had Gabbert rated above Cam due to the character and off the field issues. You don't just rate a player based on his ability alone. Cam had character issues and questions about his intelligence, Gabbert didn't.


Same with RGIII. You don't see people questioning his work ethic and intelligence (aka...caught stealing/cheating)

I don't give a shit what kind of year Cam had, I without a doubt believe they would trade Cam for Luck in a heartbeat. I know I (and many others) would as well.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'mvery comfortable having a unpopular opinion.
And speed wasn't the aspect of their games that even consider similar but you wouldn't know what aspects I'm refering to because you didn't ask you just assumed.

That I form my own opinion? or That I'm right?
I take pride in the fact that I had this opinion before Cam's rookie season and feel quite validated by Cam's rookie season.

Maybe in the same draft media community that tried to sell Gabbert as a better prospect then Newton and Locker but Luck wouldn't have been the unquestioned #1 for me, the same as Gabbert was not a better prospect then Locker.
And you know what? I think my thoughts although unpopular at the time were right.

-Oh and I bet dollars to doughnuts Luck wouldn't have been higher on the Panther's board either.

I'll take that bet.

Panthers owner Jerry Richardson called Andrew Luck and asked him if it was the idea of playing for the panthers that made him return to college. Andrew said no I just want to finish school. Richardson said you would've been the pick.

Its pretty simple Luck is really good and already knows and has played in a pro style offense. Thats why he'd get picked over Cam last year and over RG3 this year.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

He should of had Gabbert rated above Cam due to the character and off the field issues. You don't just rate a player based on his ability alone. Cam had character issues and questions about his intelligence, Gabbert didn't.

Same with RGIII. You don't see people questioning his work ethic and intelligence (aka...caught stealing/cheating)

I don't give a shit what kind of year Cam had, I without a doubt believe they would trade Cam for Luck in a heartbeat. I know I (and many others) would as well.

Cam rookie season destroyed the misconceptions that exsisted about him pre-draft thus effectively proving the pre-draft analysis 'question marks' by 'people' invalid.
The mere fact that he was selected #1 overall proves that draft media and actual team scouts/execs/decision makers don't share the same opinions.

You can believe whatever you like and plunge your head as deep into the sand as you like.
But, you're not gonna be able to make Cam actual on the field production vanish simply because

Originally Posted by you

...don't give a shit what kind of year Cam had

The draft media that you listen to were wrong and therefore you were wrong.
Cam proved you wrong, just deal with it and move on.

BTW-Here's what a media memeber that's a former actual team scout/exec that actually meet Cam and his family (i.e. actually did his research about Cam) said about him last year prior to draft:

Originally Posted by Gil Brandt

Despite the big media splash over Newton’s comments last month about wanting to be an “icon and entertainer,” I have no doubt that Newton is much more grounded than people think. His stability has a lot to do with his family. And after visiting with his mother and father, who have been together for 25 years, I can see Newton has a great deal of stability.

The one thing most people will agree on is that Newton has a ton of talent, both as a passer and a natural athlete. The biggest concern is perhaps his lack of experience, having only played one season of major college football. But when you factor in his work habits and his character, the experience becomes less of a concern.

NFL.com news: Believe the hype: Newton has intangibles to be a star

You chose to believe whomever you chose to believe.
I believe people that actually know what the heck they're talking about.

-Cheers
I'm done unless you wanna talk about Griff?