Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)

[Dirtbag59]

Posted a couple of Gus's highlights on YouTube. Hopefully this will get you an invitation to join a team in camp

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Posted a couple of Gus's highlights on YouTube. Hopefully this will get you an invitation to join a team in camp

Classic!!!!!

[BYUClark]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You'd be correct that 2 years spent elsewhere doesn't make you four years older than the competition. But he was 25.5 years old during the 2007 scouting combine, and most of the amateur draft prospects are between 21 and 22.5 years old at the same combine, which is a significant difference.

As for where the difference between two and four come in, an August birthday is pretty advanced in the context of a high school graduating class (i.e. most classmates are younger, some by half a year or more), and he took a redshirt year in 2000 before going on a two year mission.

John Beck played four consecutive seasons at BYU from 2003-2006 after concluding a two year mission. Surely, you're not implying the Beck wasn't in football shape in Feb. 2007 because he spent 24 months between 2001 and 2003 on things more important than football? That timeline seems to undermine what you're trying to say about his college performance, given the unique circumstances.

Point taken, GTripp. Thanks.

The main thrust of my posts were to point out that the knocks on Beck's arm strength have been largely unfounded and ignorant. The guy has shown, in game, how strong his arm is.
What always impressed me most, however, was his football IQ. He had touch, accuracy, and most of all, was capable of turning nothing into something (see last play against Utah in '06).

He was a fantastic player in College, and has largely gotten the shaft in his NFL stints so far. I'm hopeful for him, believe he can beat out Grossman, and I hope ya'll are pleased with him in the future (or for as long as you have him).

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BYUClark

Point taken, GTripp. Thanks.

The main thrust of my posts were to point out that the knocks on Beck's arm strength have been largely unfounded and ignorant. The guy has shown, in game, how strong his arm is.
What always impressed me most, however, was his football IQ. He had touch, accuracy, and most of all, was capable of turning nothing into something (see last play against Utah in '06).

He was a fantastic player in College, and has largely gotten the shaft in his NFL stints so far. I'm hopeful for him, believe he can beat out Grossman, and I hope ya'll are pleased with him in the future (or for as long as you have him).

I have a ton of respect for John Beck's college career. His age on draft day made him not-such-a-great-prospect (not unlike Chris Weinke seven years before him), but I'd be very comfortable with him making the Redskins as Donovan McNabb's primary backup.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by BYUClark

The main thrust of my posts were to point out that the knocks on Beck's arm strength have been largely unfounded and ignorant. The guy has shown, in game, how strong his arm is.
What always impressed me most, however, was his football IQ. He had touch, accuracy, and most of all, was capable of turning nothing into something (see last play against Utah in '06).

He was a fantastic player in College, and has largely gotten the shaft in his NFL stints so far. I'm hopeful for him, believe he can beat out Grossman, and I hope ya'll are pleased with him in the future (or for as long as you have him).

I view Beck as a potential back-up for next year.
I think its a little late in camp to challenge for the back-up spot.
I don't know if he's eligible for the practice squad but i think a good sign for how he's doing and how the staff views his progress/potential will be evidenced by wether or not they keep him as the 3rd QB or he(longshot) wins the back-up spot.
My best case scenario is that he really catches on and becomes a solid back-up to McNabb.(Hopefully a clear improvement over Grossman)
And buys time along (with McNabb) to draft and develop a QB of the future.
And who knows? Maybe he could develop quickly (1-2 years) and become a tradeable commodity ala Charlie Whitehurst or any of the Holmgren's back-ups.

[BYUClark]

Appreciate the comments here, guys. Skins fans are definitely intelligent and thoughtful. It will be interesting to see what happens.
You could be right, 30gut, next year's QB draft will be pretty loaded.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by BYUClark

Appreciate the comments here, guys. Skins fans are definitely intelligent and thoughtful. It will be interesting to see what happens.
You could be right, 30gut, next year's QB draft will be pretty loaded.

Thanks for the great insight...I dont think we'd get better info elsewhere than a BYU fan

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by BYUClark

Appreciate the comments here, guys. Skins fans are definitely intelligent and thoughtful. It will be interesting to see what happens.
You could be right, 30gut, next year's QB draft will be pretty loaded.

I don't know. Next years class looks to me like a bunch of physical specimens that can't complete 60% of their passes. And when you can't do that at the collegiate level then chances are you'll never do it at the pro level.

Last year had a great draft with two of the most accurate passers in college history with Bradford and McCoy. We'll see how everything shapes up but I'm not to excited about Mallet, Prior, and Locker. Luck won't be out next year as he wants to finish his Stanford education before going pro. Then again we'll probably never be in position to draft Luck.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I don't know. Next years class looks to me like a bunch of physical specimens that can't complete 60% of their passes. And when you can't do that at the collegiate level then chances are you'll never do it at the pro level.

Last year had a great draft with two of the most accurate passers in college history with Bradford and McCoy. We'll see how everything shapes up but I'm not to excited about Mallet, Prior, and Locker. Luck won't be out next year as he wants to finish his Stanford education before going pro. Then again we'll probably never be in position to draft Luck.

Christian Ponder and Jacory Harris are both intriguing prospects, and Terrell Pryor might end up useful before it's all said and done, but yeah, Mallett and Locker haven't accomplished very much at the college level yet.

There's still time to turn it around -- or to reinforce the believe that they're not accurate passers.

[BYUClark]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I don't know. Next years class looks to me like a bunch of physical specimens that can't complete 60% of their passes. And when you can't do that at the collegiate level then chances are you'll never do it at the pro level.

Last year had a great draft with two of the most accurate passers in college history with Bradford and McCoy. We'll see how everything shapes up but I'm not to excited about Mallet, Prior, and Locker. Luck won't be out next year as he wants to finish his Stanford education before going pro. Then again we'll probably never be in position to draft Luck.

What about Ponder out of FSU? He's a solid QB, given the right players around him.

[BYUClark]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Christian Ponder and Jacory Harris are both intriguing prospects, and Terrell Pryor might end up useful before it's all said and done, but yeah, Mallett and Locker haven't accomplished very much at the college level yet.

There's still time to turn it around -- or to reinforce the believe that they're not accurate passers.

Interestingly, BYU plays both Locker (UW) and Ponder (FSU) this year. I'm excited to see those games.

You're right about Locker, from what I've seen. Hasn't done a whole lot, despite his hype going in.

From what I've seen of both of them, Ponder appears to be the more polished QB, though both of them are very physical, and can run.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by BYUClark

What about Ponder out of FSU? He's a solid QB, given the right players around him.

He REALLY impressed me against my Canes last year. He's going to be very good for a while I think.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BYUClark

Appreciate the comments here, guys. Skins fans are definitely intelligent and thoughtful. It will be interesting to see what happens.
You could be right, 30gut, next year's QB draft will be pretty loaded.

BYUClark, care to start a Beck Bandwagon? The recently disbanded Cult of Colt left a void in Redskins land..

I hope Beck develops into a nice #2 for us. I was in Miami his rookie year and that was such an awful team around him there was no way he'd succeed. I wish he was 3 years younger but I guess it doesn't really matter. I like his pedigree and his promise coming out of college so hopefully he grows under Kyle and Mike.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I'm going to go ahead and call it right now -

McNabb and Haynesworth (whom we'll force into the deal) to the Vikings for Percy Harvin and their 2011 1st rounder.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm going to go ahead and call it right now -

McNabb and Haynesworth (whom we'll force into the deal) to the Vikings for Percy Harvin and their 2011 1st rounder.

I think they're going to make us throw in Byron Westbrook, who will have earned the franchise tag by then.