Dockery Cut:

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok, some one with cap knowledge please help.

People keep posting how we can get all the free agents ...Haynesworth, Hall, Dockery, Canty and keep Taylor and even look for others. How can we do it? and are they correct in what they say ie; the thread starter. Is it possible?

Secondly, why are so many people or few people ready to shift Samuels to RT? #1 can he do it and #2 would he even want to?

Thirdly,(LOL) Why would we expierment with putting DD at RT or LT? He was used as a Guard cause he was not Tackle material. They tried to make the move with Wade cause he was taller and bigger but he could not do the job.

I'm not knocking DD I'm glad to have him back even if he did false start more often then anyone else.

I stand corrected it was not the thread starter. I think it was in another thread about free agency and salary cap I think.

if you cut springs (for 6.5mill) and taylor (for 8.5mill) you have about 27mill of space to work with.

rookies and tender offers can cost us up to 4mill (1.5 for monty/golston i believe, and our kicker signed his 1mill deal already). rookies should be 3mill-3.5mill.

haynes i believe would cost 12mill for 2009 (other people have said 7mill, but i don't think that'd be a workable, league approved and compliant type of contract for a 6 year 100mill deal with 35mill in signing bonus).

so that leaves you with about 8mill (though there can be a few small restructures etc left for maybe 2mill more if needed).

that leaves 8-10 to work with...

canty is probably 6mill for a first year. dockery (hopefully) would only be 4... hall would probably be 5-6.

so it'd be cut springs/haynesworth, sign one other major FA and 1-2 minor ones.

2 big names, 1-2 very low level guys (kendall/depth LB/etc).

[That Guy]

as far as the line moves... we don't have a spare LT, so samuels isn't moving. dockery is NOT a tackle (he's straight run blocking anyways), so kicking him out there would be a bad idea.

[EternalEnigma21]

I guess I'm the only one who didn't really care for him when he was here. It seemed like his head wasnt into the game as much as it needed to be. He made a lot of mistakes. I say go for youth and build for the future.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by EternalEnigma21

I guess I'm the only one who didn't really care for him when he was here. It seemed like his head wasnt into the game as much as it needed to be. He made a lot of mistakes. I say go for youth and build for the future.

he was the 26th best starting OG i think when he walked... he's decent, but he'll never be a stud.

still, our OL is TERRIBLE right now. if samuels heals up well we've got one spot locked up. thomas (hopefully) will be back to being good and rabach is okay, kendall is ancient and we don't have a RT at all. so if he's 3-4mill per, dock is a decent deal and a huge upgrade.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by That Guy

he was the 26th best starting OG i think when he walked... he's decent, but he'll never be a stud.

still, our OL is TERRIBLE right now. if samuels heals up well we've got one spot locked up. thomas (hopefully) will be back to being good and rabach is okay, kendall is ancient and we don't have a RT at all. so if he's 3-4mill per, dock is a decent deal and a huge upgrade.

Also i thought Dock improved markedly in '06, before he left us. Our rushing attack was stellar even after CP was hurt - Betts racked up more yards in the last 8 games than any RB save for LT - big Dock had a lot to do w/ that.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by That Guy

he was the 26th best starting OG i think when he walked... he's decent, but he'll never be a stud.

still, our OL is TERRIBLE right now. if samuels heals up well we've got one spot locked up. thomas (hopefully) will be back to being good and rabach is okay, kendall is ancient and we don't have a RT at all. so if he's 3-4mill per, dock is a decent deal and a huge upgrade.

Agreed, I don't think anyone expects him to come and be a beast of an o-lineman (it'd be nice if he did). I think Dock could replace Kendall or if the Redskins do get Jason Brown, could be a nice insurance in case Thomas gets hurt (dude had back surgery!).

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Agreed, I don't think anyone expects him to come and be a beast of an o-lineman (it'd be nice if he did). I think Dock could replace Kendall or if the Redskins do get Jason Brown, could be a nice insurance in case Thomas gets hurt (dude had back surgery!).

I don't know if we'll get Brown and Dock. Either way, Thomas or Kendall are going to be gone. We're definitely not considering either of those guys to be insurance policies for current players.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't know if we'll get Brown and Dock. Either way, Thomas or Kendall are going to be gone. We're definitely not considering either of those guys to be insurance policies for current players.

Well I don't think Brown would be anyone's insurance, and come to think of it, you're right, we wouldn't get both Dock and Brown. I do want Brown though.

[RedskinPete]

Is Dock one of those pickups that looks good now but turns out bad? Why did the Bill give up on him? Is thier someone else better in the draft or FA? Were taking a big chance on Hall so I like the next few pick up to be more of a sure things!

[itvnetop]

I have a feeling we're gonna be seeing our guy return home... he was a truck opening holes for our running game in DC. Hopefully, Dock's cleaned up the false starts and our line can get back to business.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Is Dock one of those pickups that looks good now but turns out bad? Why did the Bill give up on him? Is thier someone else better in the draft or FA? Were taking a big chance on Hall so I like the next few pick up to be more of a sure things!

they paid a 3mill/year OG 7mill/year. that's pretty much all there is to it. they expected a top tier OL addition by taking our (at the time) 4th best lineman and vastly overpaying him, and then magically were surprised when they found out he played there the same way he played here.

I guess the forgot that the rest of that line wasn't coming with him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Is Dock one of those pickups that looks good now but turns out bad? Why did the Bill give up on him? Is thier someone else better in the draft or FA? Were taking a big chance on Hall so I like the next few pick up to be more of a sure things!

I don't think it was performance related at all. He's still a very solid player the Bills are just realizing they need to seriously tighten their belts.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think it was performance related at all. He's still a very solid player the Bills are just realizing they need to seriously tighten their belts.

Yes, they overpaid for him and now realize it. I'm sure they were satisfied with his performance, but the deal was just TOO BIG for a lineman in the first place. They got their man, then realized it was a bad financial position...sort of like some guy that walks into an auto auction and immediately says "$50,000!" for a car currently bidding at $20,000...of course everyone else is going to just let him have it for that price.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I thought about starting another thread for this post, but now that we have Haynesworth, our top 4 DTs are now: Haynesworth, Griffin, Montgommery and Golston. Alexander is now our #5DT. We dont need that many DTs so Alexander is the odd man out.

Why the heck would we pursue Dockery when we could just move Alexander back to guard? I think it would be much wiser to pursue a FA Strong Side LB or DE (whichever position Jason Taylor will not be playing).

That way, we could go into the draft with the only starter needed at RT.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I thought about starting another thread for this post, but now that we have Haynesworth, our top 4 DTs are now: Haynesworth, Griffin, Montgommery and Golston. Alexander is now our #5DT. We dont need that many DTs so Alexander is the odd man out.

Why the heck would we pursue Dockery when we could just move Alexander back to guard? I think it would be much wiser to pursue a FA RT. That way, we could go into the draft with no GLARING needs.

It's not that easy. Remember, Alexander was an undrafted free agent who played his way onto the team for being able to do a little bit of everything. Ever hear the phrase Jack of all trades, master of none? That's LoAx. If anything, the fact they are going after Dock it's an indictment on Chad Reinhart that he's not ready to step up into the starting lineup despite being a 3rd round pick last year.