Current Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2009

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Disappointing to hear that they don't think Rinehart is at least ready to compete for significant playing time in 2009. Maybe I was actually wrong about him. Wouldn't that be something?!

yeah, to me that was the worst news (assuming accuracy) of the article. I wonder if he can be coached up along w/lots of work in the offseason to get him to the point that by maybe mid season when we'll need him, he'd be ready to step in for whoever is injured? Or if they seriously question his long-term ability to ever start in the nfl.

Just goes to show us again how the lack of picks over the years comes back to bite us. Because they're always trading picks, the lack thereof means that the ones they have need to be starters. Little to no margin of error for each pick.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I am much like Desert Storm I.........Shocked and Awed!

You mean "Operation Iraqi Freedom". In Desert Storm they just Rock and Rolled.

[Son Of Man]

Building a team takes time. We have some pieces in place but we need to keep getting younger. The team should look to accumulate as many draft picks as possible and be weary of signing any free agents that are over the age of 27. Build from the trenches outward. How do you think the Gibbs/Casserly combo won 3 titles with 3 different "veteran" quaterbacks?

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

yeah, to me that was the worst news (assuming accuracy) of the article. I wonder if he can be coached up along w/lots of work in the offseason to get him to the point that by maybe mid season when we'll need him, he'd be ready to step in for whoever is injured? Or if they seriously question his long-term ability to ever start in the nfl.

Just goes to show us again how the lack of picks over the years comes back to bite us. Because they're always trading picks, the lack thereof means that the ones they have need to be starters. Little to no margin of error for each pick.

*Wouldn't be the first time LaConfora is wrong!!!

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't think we should get rid of ALL of our older players, but we should be selective and not be so damn worried about keeping together a core group for a "one last run at it" kind of thing. The Ravens, Flacons, and Dolphins all proved that if you build the lines, you can succeed (overnight) in spite of other weaknesses. IMO, we should adopt that strategy and move forward.

i agree with you 100% that we don't HAVE to be horrible next year in order to rebuild - it IS possible to succeed "overnight" but addressing the lines... but the Ravens and Dolphins both had far more draft picks last year than we do (at this time), far more salary cap space, and far more accomplished men making the decisions. I would love for us to build through the lines and have instant success, but right now, i dont think we can "count" on it. Miami and baltimore greatly improved in one year, but neither of them are playing in Tampa this sunday.

Anyone who is not in our plans for 2010 and beyond, and is eating up a large chunk of salary and a roster spot should be jettisoned now. theres no reason to waste salary cap room and roster spots. Yes, we may or may not take a hit in performance in 2009 because of it. But for every old declining veteran we get rid of, it opens up another spot on our roster and/or practice squad to develop future talent.

Guys like Griffin, Washington, Taylor, Thrash, Daniels, and Springs should be cut. If Springs or Griff wanted to come back at a reduced salary, i'd consider it, but it would depend on what else is out there. Kendall may be worth keeping, but in the end, he's not in the plans for 2010 so he'd be more of a stop-gap depth guy at the vet min. anything more and i'd look elsewhere.

Guys like Jansen, Rabach, and ARE or Moss may stick around another year because theyre more valueable to us this year than they are cut (price v. performance v. depth), but we need to start looking for their replacements as well.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Just read JLCs new article after my previous post, so its got me thinking slightly differently.

JLC has been reporting for over a month that the team doesnt like Rinehart.

I like the fact that Bugel is finally admitting that his old guys dont cut it, cut its saddening to hear that we wont really try to do anything about it.

I do not understand why on earth we would try to keep Griffin without asking him to take a reduced salary. Good to know Taylor will probably be gone and likely Springs too (at least at his salary). I wouldnt mind extending Springs at a reduced annual salary (no more than 3.5M/year), moving him to FS and Landry to SS, but i think Springs would rather be a FA and sign with Dallas.

The only thing I can think of to explain the FOs thinking here is if we plan on letting our defense suffer another year so we can focus in the draft soley on offensive line.

That logic makes sense to a degree:
-our defense was our strength last year
-Its JCs contract year (and essentially the same for Zorn) and we need to get them as much help as possible on offense to see if theyre worth keeping around...

I personally dont know if I agree with the strategy (assuming its their strategy). What do you guys think?

[RedskinMike]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Building a team takes time. We have some pieces in place but we need to keep getting younger. The team should look to accumulate as many draft picks as possible and be weary of signing any free agents that are over the age of 27. Build from the trenches outward. How do you think the Gibbs/Casserly combo won 3 titles with 3 different "veteran" quaterbacks?

casserly was gm for only 1 of those titles

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

yeah, to me that was the worst news (assuming accuracy) of the article. I wonder if he can be coached up along w/lots of work in the offseason to get him to the point that by maybe mid season when we'll need him, he'd be ready to step in for whoever is injured? Or if they seriously question his long-term ability to ever start in the nfl.

Just goes to show us again how the lack of picks over the years comes back to bite us. Because they're always trading picks, the lack thereof means that the ones they have need to be starters. Little to no margin of error for each pick.

You gotta wonder what it is he did or didn't do to make them change their minds on him, because it's not like he had ample playing time in games.

[Defensewins]

I am not surprised to read that Redskin players and sources are saying Jason Taylor and Shawn Springs will NOT accept a pay cut or a contract renegotiation. This is going to make for an interesting offseason.
The Reinhardt comments are not really a surprise. He is clearly in Bugel's dog house and that fact despite all of the injuries to the OL, Reinhard was not even considered for even a few minutes of play time is very telling. This guy must be stinking it up in practice. This rookie class is not really showing signs of improvements.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You gotta wonder what it is he did or didn't do to make them change their minds on him, because it's not like he had ample playing time in games.

He is showing the coaches in practice that he does not have the ability to play on an NFL field.

[MTK]

LOL my god is it that hard to spell Rinehart folks?

[GMScud]

That JLC article was deflating:

Rinehart can't play NFL football (how could we have so grossly misjudged him??), neither Heyer or Jansen are viable starters anymore but will both be back in '09. Thomas and Kendall are both in decline with health issues and will both be back in '09. We may go after a guard who could push for a starting job but nothing fancy. Hopefully we'll draft a tackle with our first pick. Sounds like our O-line (our biggest problem) won't be fixed much at all. No mention of Rabach either. I guess he'll be around.

We need a home run hitter compliment to Portis but can't afford one in free agency and are limited in draft picks.

Jason Taylor may come back, but if he does it will be for an overpaid $8.5M, and it sounds like he doesn't want to be here anyway. Griffin isn't going anywhere and it doesn't sound like we'll be a player for any real FA D-line contributors. I guess the possibility of landing a Connor Barwin type in the 3rd round is cool.

We desperately need help with kicking/punting, but we'll do little more than give our current bums some competition in training camp.

And we're stuck at WR.

It's not looking up for 2009.

[Trample the Elderly]

It's taken years to dig this hole. It will take years to climb out of it.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

That JLC article was deflating:

Rinehart can't play NFL football (how could we have so grossly misjudged him??), neither Heyer or Jansen are viable starters anymore but will both be back in '09. Thomas and Kendall are both in decline with health issues and will both be back in '09. We may go after a guard who could push for a starting job but nothing fancy. Hopefully we'll draft a tackle with our first pick. Sounds like our O-line (our biggest problem) won't be fixed much at all. No mention of Rabach either. I guess he'll be around.

We need a home run hitter compliment to Portis but can't afford one in free agency and are limited in draft picks.

Jason Taylor may come back, but if he does it will be for an overpaid $8.5M, and it sounds like he doesn't want to be here anyway. Griffin isn't going anywhere and it doesn't sound like we'll be a player for any real FA D-line contributors. I guess the possibility of landing a Connor Barwin type in the 3rd round is cool.

We desperately need help with kicking/punting, but we'll do little more than give our current bums some competition in training camp.

And we're stuck at WR.

It's not looking up for 2009.

If I didnt know better, I would say Vinny WANTED to get fired.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GMScud

That JLC article was deflating:

Rinehart can't play NFL football (how could we have so grossly misjudged him??), neither Heyer or Jansen are viable starters anymore but will both be back in '09. Thomas and Kendall are both in decline with health issues and will both be back in '09. We may go after a guard who could push for a starting job but nothing fancy. Hopefully we'll draft a tackle with our first pick. Sounds like our O-line (our biggest problem) won't be fixed much at all. No mention of Rabach either. I guess he'll be around.

We need a home run hitter compliment to Portis but can't afford one in free agency and are limited in draft picks.

Jason Taylor may come back, but if he does it will be for an overpaid $8.5M, and it sounds like he doesn't want to be here anyway. Griffin isn't going anywhere and it doesn't sound like we'll be a player for any real FA D-line contributors. I guess the possibility of landing a Connor Barwin type in the 3rd round is cool.

We desperately need help with kicking/punting, but we'll do little more than give our current bums some competition in training camp.

And we're stuck at WR.

It's not looking up for 2009.

I tried to tell y'all this by creating this thread, but I ended up with a bunch of "No dude, we'll cut this guy and that guy and that guy and turn our whole team over and we'll be good to go" posts.

I ain't going to say "I told you so" yet, not until we actually see what they do. But the numbers - by and large - tell the tale.