Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We would still have 8 picks to fill holes.

I think we're going a little overboard here if trading away one pick means the draft is blown.

If we were one player away or we were a team knocking on the door to the SB then I could see. Kind of like how Philly traded for TO. But we barely made the playoffs and we were one and done. We need a solid two years of good drafting before we're that type of team. The whole O-line is going to have to be replaced in 2 years. Most people might not want to admit it but we're a team in transition right now. Why potentially set yourself back for the future by trading for this guy. It's just not smart football.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We would still have 8 picks to fill holes.

I think we're going a little overboard here if trading away one pick means the draft is blown.

What's one or two of the team's early picks over the past 5 years?

Overboard is thinking that this has no ill effect on the future of our franchise.

[SBXVII]

No for some reason some people believe that we should draft a non proven WR which is a crap shoot as to how they will play in the NFL.

Others would have you believe we need Defensive players only......again not mentioning the fact that they may not pan out any better either. People here would rather waist a draft pick on some one who has a 50/50 chance of staying on the team. I think out of the 7 picks last yr only 4 stayed with the team. Hell we did better with our invites....Marcus Mason and the O-Lineman who filled in for Jansen. The only sure bet and it still is a crap shoot is the 1st round pick. Defensively you can usually pick up good talent in the later rounds...especially if the draft is deep on that side of the ball as it is this yr.

[MTK]

No, overboard is thinking that this trade would somehow ruin the entire immediate future of the team.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If we were one player away or we were a team knocking on the door to the SB then I could see. Kind of like how Philly traded for TO. But we barely made the playoffs and we were one and done. We need a solid two years of good drafting before we're that type of team. The whole O-line is going to have to be replaced in 2 years. Most people might not want to admit it but we're a team in transition right now. Why potentially set yourself back for the future by trading for this guy. It's just not smart football.

We're trading away one pick ONE PICK in the 2008 draft for one of the best wide receivers in the game, a position we need. We'll still have 8 more picks. Plus who's to say we can't trade back into the 3rd round next year if need be? Not to mention a couple more comp picks will probably come our way from the Reche and Macklin signings (at least one).

I think that people just aren't thinking here. They just have it ingrained in their minds that because of failed maneuvers like Lloyd and Duckett. Yet we tend to forget failed draft maneuevers like Taylor Jacobs.

[redskinsfanatic]

espn says the bengals have
REJECTED any trade for chad johnson.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Hackett is at least a scheme player and has played along Zorn in the WCO the last three years.

Not comparable to CJ in physical talent but he would at least fit in with our offensive scheme and would not have come at a great cost.

So what is our Offensive scheme? If I'm correct they are still drawing up the plays.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We would still have 8 picks to fill holes.

I think we're going a little overboard here if trading away one pick means the draft is blown.

Yes and no. It won't "blow" our draft, but it will hurt it since the traded pick will be our highest. Also, of the remaining 8 picks, 3 are 7th rounders. 7th rounders are definitely a crap shoot.

I'm in between. I think this proposed trade would hurt and help at the same time. It's not going to ruin the franchise by any means, but it will certainly be odd given the way we lowballed DJ Hackett, didn't even give Bryan Johnson a sniff, and have been preaching restraint and building through the draft.

As great as CJ is, it's still trading multiple picks for a very expensive 30 year old with a huge mouth and a penchant for whining when his team underperforms.

I'm still baffled the way we let Hackett get away. He's 4 years younger than Chad, waaaaay cheaper, big, very fast, and played for a few years with Zorn. Granted he's not the player CJ is, but he would have helped a lot at a smallish price and we wouldn't have had to give up a single draft pick.

[steveo395]

why do you guys want a guy like that on our team. idc how good he is. and that is too much to give up for anybody

[MTK]

Originally Posted by steveo395

why do you guys want a guy like that on our team. idc how good he is. and that is too much to give up for anybody

Looking back on last year would you say Randy Moss would have been worth that sort of compensation?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

What's one or two of the team's early picks over the past 5 years?

Overboard is thinking that this has no ill effect on the future of our franchise.

Besides Arch, and Lloyd the only complaint I have is the Ducket deal. I for one did not believe we needed a RB. We were set at RB. No one will be able to change my mind but I totally believe that deal was about Gibbs wanting to keep a good/great RB out of the other NFC East teams. Philly was looking at him hard and was possibly looking to make another run at the playoffs with a better RB they might have done just that. The deal was a total waist! No bones about it. Totally agree with everyone on that deal. We traded to much for talent we already had on the team. As for the WR spot I don't see us giving up to much, especially for a WR like CJ. I would give it up for Williams also. Either one would be fine by me. I just get upset at the people who think CJ is an issue and we sign a kick returner who allegedly assaulted his pregnant girlfriend/wife. CJ will rock the boat but no one was up in arms when CP was putting on the ritz. CJ is to old...but we have older players in other possitions. CJ will cost to much...Snyder's going rate has been 30 mill for what 5-6 yrs for the past positional players WR and CB. CJ it sounds like was only going to make 21 mill. Our team can't handle the likes of a CJ......everyone forgot Arrington I guess. His tempertantrum led him to the bench. He was more humiliated there than missing his blocks.

The best Cincy can do is pull what we did to Arrington...bench him. The best CJ could do is show up and maybe be only 50% on the field. Drop a few ball or better yet tip a few balls and have them accidently fall into the opponants hands. He would quickly be benched (getting paid the whole time) or traded. I would certainly welcome sitting on the bench and getting paid to not break a leg.

Cincy thinks it's just a tempertantrum....I wonder what will be next.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Looking back on last year would you say Randy Moss would have been worth that sort of compensation?

It's a very different situation than Randy Moss.

As the old ball coach would say, "hindsight is 50-50," but the Pats gave up a 4th rounder for Randy and only paid him $3M for a record setting season. A far cry from a 1st and 3rd (or higher), not to mention I'm sure Rosen-shit will negotiate a 6 yr, $60M+ contract for him if he lands elsewhere.

[WaldSkins]

I can't believe that the Bengals wouldnt jump on that trade.

That is a lot to give for a disgruntled receiver even if it is CJ. And if we are going to be stuck at #21 id rather trade for a star receiver then waste a first round pick on a bust.

This is Detroit's misses at Top Ten Receivers:
2005: Passed on Shawn Merriman to select Mike Williams- USC
2003: Passed on Troy Palumalu to select Charles Rogers-Michigan State

Can you imagine how much improved this team would be if they would not have wasted there picks on receivers who are NOT on the team anymore. Lets draft someone else then a WR with our number 1. Ill trade the pick for an elite receiver rather then take the gamble of a bust.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So that's two potential starters for one?? Either way it's a bad deal and I'm glad Cinn saved us from the FO's stupidity. That's why we have no depth cause we always do these two for one deals.

the key word there is POTENTIAL starters, you dont know what your going to get with the draft, CJ is a proven player

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The conditions would probably be pretty steep for it to escalate to a 1st, I think SS speculated the Skins would have to make the NFC Championship and CJ would have to break the all time TD record.

Ah! That being said, I'm cautiously optimistic.