Spagnuolo stays with Giants!

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I agree he did so well with the Lions crab him quick.

Are you talking about giving somebody the crabs? j/k

Seriously though, I'm all for giving Fassel a shot. I think he needs to be here to help develop Zorn as an offensive coordinator. The biggest knock I see with Fassel is that I'm not sure he's a long term investment. Fassel is 58 years old, and probably not wanting to coach for another 10 years. If he's relatively successful in his first couple of seasons, I'd say he's good for at least 5 seasons. But, I don't see him being here very long if the Skins struggle early on.
It would be nice to finally find the hidden young treasure somewhere. Such as what Jack Kent Cooke found in a 40 year old Joe Gibbs in 1980.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Are you talking about giving somebody the crabs? j/k

Seriously though, I'm all for giving Fassel a shot. I think he needs to be here to help develop Zorn as an offensive coordinator. The biggest knock I see with Fassel is that I'm not sure he's a long term investment. Fassel is 58 years old, and probably not wanting to coach for another 10 years. If he's relatively successful in his first couple of seasons, I'd say he's good for at least 5 seasons. But, I don't see him being here very long if the Skins struggle early on.
It would be nice to finally find the hidden young treasure somewhere. Such as what Jack Kent Cooke found in a 40 year old Joe Gibbs in 1980.

I agree, I was hoping that this was the case when DS was talking about "continuity" that we were going to hire a long term HC.

[GusFrerotte]

Schwartz wouldn't be the man to get this thing going. You don't want a rookie HC in the toughest division in the NFL. Fassel isn't ideal, but he did get an only decent Giants team to a SB. He seemed to get the most out of what he had during his tenure at NY. If Marty was a bit younger I would be tempted to want him back.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Oakland Red

Steve Mariucci is still in this I hope. We are very lucky he is still available. It's time to sign him.

Agreed!! If not him, then Meeks. You and I living in the Bay area have seen what Mooch can do that Fassel can't.

[wordsmithgk]

Let's see did someone actually compare fassel to bellichek?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Schwartz wouldn't be the man to get this thing going. You don't want a rookie HC in the toughest division in the NFL. Fassel isn't ideal, but he did get an only decent Giants team to a SB. He seemed to get the most out of what he had during his tenure at NY. If Marty was a bit younger I would be tempted to want him back.

I don't want any guarantee "All-in" business. Any guy that puts his figurative betting chips all-in in front of national audience is douchey.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Mort reported on NFL Live that the plane is going to pick up Fassel and to expect a Friday afternoon presser to announce him as HC..

There you go. Now your getting what you wanted...them to name someone.

1. The reason we did not have a really good list of candidates for HC is because usually the GM would be doing this. Probubly making lists every year and updating them in case of sudden HC changes(as with Gibbs). No real GM to real list.

2. A lot of you keep bringing up how all the hatred toward Fassel is a direct result of GM being let go or not getting the HC job and that we all would have simply accepted him in 04. Sorry I was not one who wanted him in 04. When he was brought up this time I looked elsewhere until he seemed to be the only coach with experience of being a HC and figured he would only be a figure head with the coordinator positions already picked. Then Mooch was brought into the picture...I was not even thinking of him until he was mentioned. I did like him because it would be a good match having an offensive minded HC to help out a first time OC. Plus they both know the WC. I learned that Fassel may have been in the WC also and may know that style as well. He would not be a bad choice but I still prefer Mooch over Fassel.

3. Where were all you people when the polls were happening. It seemed there was an overwhelming population that wanted Mooch over Fassel per the 75% who picked Mooch. Now everyone is .."oh well Fassel is not bad." "Why does everyone not like Fassel?" "Fassel is the man." lol. ok I made up the last one.

I guess the DS hold out has worked in his favour. Hold out long enough and the people will be glad he hired anyone.

4. DS has messed this whole HC hiring up. I would almost love to see everyone turn him down at this point. If all he wants is a figure head as a coach then he should just stand on the side lines himself. Atleast he could boast to Jerry Jones that he made it there before JJ did. lol.

Theres no wonder why people are hessitant to take this job. Who on gods green earth would want to interview for 10-12 hours? Oh don't get me wrong the money is a big motivator but one would have to guess that there would be many more 10-12 hour meetings every year. Perhaps thats not the case but if I was an outsider I would be thinking " Nah....he might be having marathon meetings all the time. Not for me."

So now who do we have left? Fassel, Mooch, and Meeks. I'm betting he is out picking up Fassel right now. It's not rocket science. He wanted him in 04 and he wanted him in 08. He spoke with Fassel and picked up most of the coordinators he requested. These were Fassels choices. Meeks has no HC abilities yet. His defensive schemes would probubly not co exist with Blache's (which is why I think Spag did not take the job.) Now your stuck with Mooch or Fassel and as I'm sure Mooch would probubly take the job(even if DS had to throw money at him to come out East) and he worked for Holmgren also. Something to commiserate about. However if you think about it Fassel makes sence. Everyone's fire about not hiring him has fizzled. If he leads the team into the play offs then DS is a master mind( he looks good.) If Fassel fizzles as his popularity did and goes no where then DS can look at all the possibilities available next year including Cowher.

I'm still holding out hope Mooch gets it. He's a tad younger. Knows the Holmgren branch of the WC. Coached Farve. Is a QB coach also and can help out Zorn while he is working with the other units..ie WR, RB, OL and TE. Yes he is a QB coach but a coordinator will have to make sure all the other units are understanding the offensive scheme also. Observe the other units and decide which players should start. He possibly can't be with JC through the whole training camp.

Mooch has a hotter looking wife.

[skinsnut]

I voted against Spags anyways...never thought he'd get it...zero head coaching..
This is Fassell job whether we like it or not.

Don't worry, Snyder would never consider Shottenheimer or Dom Capers....both with hc experience.

At this point, they may be preferable to Fassell

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I think the Cowboys did it last year, the Dolphins did it this year. I think it could be a new trend where the front office will be responsible for not just the players but also the coaching staff (the entire staff).

Anyhow, we can't pretend that Zorn and Blache don't exist so let's be sure to consider that when asking ourselves what makes Fassel a good candidate, better than Spagnuolo, Meeks, or Mariucci:

-Fassel was a head coach in the NFC East for seven years (seven right?). Even though his last head coaching gig was four years ago. No other candidate could claim that, Spags was at best a coordinator for one year

-Fassel is battle tested dealing with the New York media. So DC shouldn't be too hard. As I mentioned in another thread, the only job more scrutinized in DC than President is Redskins Head Coach. It may not seem like a big deal but the HC of this team is someone who has to have a "presence" and not wilt under the spotlight. The only other head coach was Mariucci who had to deal with the "hard-hitting" San Fran and Detroit media

-There are many recent examples of head coaches getting a second chance, and being largely successful the second time around. More so than sustained success for first time coaches. Here's where you can argue for Mooch perhaps as well

-Fassel has made it to the Super Bowl so he knows what it takes to get there, and it's more than the majority of NFL coaches throughout history can claim

-Fassel is highly regarded by some of the NFL's best ever QBs who have had some of their best seasons under his tutelage. Together with Jim Zorn (who along with Holmgren got more out of Matt Hasselbeck than anyone probably ever expected) they can turn Campbell into a bonafide star

-This is Zorn's first time as an offensive coordinator so I don't think it hurts to have someone with experience on that side of the ball to help him out

-Meeks and Spags are defensive minded coaches so it would just be redundant to have them along with a proven defensive coach in Greg Blache. Fassel won't get in Blache's way. (Neither would Mooch either I suppose)

-Snyder and Cerrato are comfortable with him. (Remember they were this close to hiring him in 2004). And that's very important. For one thing, it makes for a better working environment. Secondly, the more comfortable Snyder is with the coach, the less likely he is to intervene. This isn't to say they weren't comfortable with the other candidates, but I don't think to the same extent as to with Fassel

You make some great points! One other is this team has some big needs come the draft and free agency. Maybe to many for one off season. Is Fassel someone that can fill these needs and say yes or no to Danny?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

You make some great points! One other is this team has some big needs come the draft and free agency. Maybe to many for one off season. Is Fassel someone that can fill these needs and say yes or no to Danny?

Scott Campbell and Vinny Cerrato will be the key drivers behind the draft and free agency. Yes Snyder writes the checks, but when's the last time he hesitated to give his coaches what they asked for?

[MTK]

I am a bit surprised over this, I really thought Snyder would have wanted to make a splash and go with the sexy hire. Maybe he wanted to and the Giants got to Spags before an offer was made, or maybe the report that Spags and Snyder agreed he wasn't quite ready was true, who knows. All signs seem to point to Fassel and I guess they probably have all along. We'll see though.

[SBXVII]

You all know we have missed interviewing several coaches. Mora SR., Dan Reeves, Jerry Glandville(has always been a favorite of mine.), John Madden(BOOM), hey maybe we can find a way to get Al Davis. Great Minds think alike. lol.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

You all know we have missed interviewing several coaches. Mora SR., Dan Reeves, Jerry Glandville(has always been a favorite of mine.), John Madden(BOOM), hey maybe we can find a way to get Al Davis. Great Minds think alike. lol.

At this rate, why doesn't he just go dig up Lombardi and have him coach. I bet he still could. Can't do any worse than Spurrier.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

At this rate, why doesn't he just go dig up Lombardi and have him coach. I bet he still could. Can't do any worse than Spurrier.

You actually might have something here. Kinda like Lennon in Russia. Put him(Lombardi) in a wheel chair....yeah that's it. Put him in a wheel chair. Who's gunna deny us the privilage of hiring a handicap coach? DS would look like a Saint, People would be talking about his ability to get the great old coaches back, Handicap people everywhere would be rooting for the Skins which means more sales. I can only think of one negative and thats that he would probubly request handicap parking close to the building.

[MTK]

I've got a good buddy who's a Giants fan and is pretty in tune to some of their behind the scenes workings. Take this for what it is but he says that while Spags was genuinely interested in sitting down and discussing the HC job with Snyder, his main motivation was to use the interview as leverage for a nice pay increase from the Giants, and Snyder was aware of this. He really didn't want to leave NY and the report that said he wasn't quite ready for a HC job actually holds some merit. Snyder probably wasn't going to offer him the job. Spags is quite happy in NY, he's now the highest paid DC in the league, and in another year or two he will get serious again for a HC job.