Suisham = Momentum Killer

HOGTIMUS PRIME · 01-07-2008, 01:04 PM

To blame Suisam is nonsense, I told a friend we needed a TD at that point a field goal would not do it, our line as usual couldn't open holes when a D is playing short yardage football, granted we had a lot of backups in there the starters haven't faired any better in those type of situations, the offensive line needs to be over hauled with the exception of Samuels.

We lose 35-17 if Suisam makes that kick. The plays that killed us were Sellars and his block in the back on Rocks kick off return which would have put us on the Seattle 25 instead of our own 40 which lead to Collins throwing that deep ball, and Moss with his head up his ASS all game dropping ball after ball, what an absolute joke on the INT!

sandtrapjack · 01-07-2008, 01:09 PM

Ok well I can see that there is no way I can convince you guys about Suisham. So we can agree to disagree on that one. I was merely trying to point out that I watched the Redskins and Suisham all year as well and he appears to be the same PK we had in Dallas when were deep in the quagmire of our kicking woes. But I admire your patience with him.

To answer your question SmootSmack, Suisham choked early in San Francisco, he got released in training camp.

MTK · 01-07-2008, 01:25 PM

Hey, if 83% and 29 FGs = a kicking quagmire, bring it on. We've seen much, much worse over the years here. We've gone through kicker after kicker including dumping David Akers prematurely.

Redskins_P · 01-07-2008, 01:37 PM

One thing I wanted add....

I think special teams as a whole killed alot of our momentum with all those penalties. Rock kept getting great returns that put us in good field position. Also, the coverage wasn't that great either. Seattle won the field position game.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-07-2008, 02:32 PM

Just like many of us said before the game, Seattle had to play the game of their lives and we had to play at least "equal" to the past four weeks before that.

Seattle held up it's end of the bargain, we just crapped the bed. It happens and it just so happened it was the playoffs.

qb1717 · 01-07-2008, 03:57 PM

OK, I keep reading about how awful Suisham has been - a choker from this Dallas guy. Now, start talking facts instead of what you think is fact. Your first problem is the San Francisco take. He wasn't even there in the preseason. When released from Dallas he was signed to the practice squad for one week because Joe Nedney was hurt. He did not play AT ALL and was released after the week because Nedney was OK. So, that was a real choke??? Now, in Dallas, he did not even have a chance to kick many field goals - in fact he was originally on the team as a kick-off specialist for Vanderjagt. And in the revolving door that was there at the time - how could any kicker do well? I would say that if Folk had been in that same soap opera with the Parcell's mind games, then his performance may not have been so good either.
Should Suisham have missed - of course not. But, lets look at the whole picture. That was the first pressure kick he missed in Washington. How many games did he actually help Washington win this year?? This was the FIRST game that you could tie him to the loss. The Redskins DID NOT PLAY like they SHOULD have won that game. COULD THEY HAVE - SURE. BUT, how do you hang the inept play for most of the game on the kicker. Oh, and by the way - your boy has not proven himself in playoff competition yet either. Maybe he will shank the ball similar to what he did two weeks ago on a gimme field goal.

sandtrapjack · 01-07-2008, 04:17 PM

Should have know this was going to turn into a Cowboys fan bashing a Redskins kicker. Guess there is no escaping that here.

Was just sharing observations is all. If you are happy with Suisham, well I am happy for you. As I said earlier...we agree to disagree. Why don't we just leave it at that? I for one could not be happier that he is on your roster.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 01-07-2008, 04:47 PM

I'm not buying. I personally would prefer to keep both guys unless a proven vet becomes available. Suisham had a pretty good year and so did Frosty. Are either of them playing as well as I would like them to? No, but they're better than our known alternatives.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 01-07-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Ok well I can see that there is no way I can convince you guys about Suisham. So we can agree to disagree on that one. I was merely trying to point out that I watched the Redskins and Suisham all year as well and he appears to be the same PK we had in Dallas when were deep in the quagmire of our kicking woes. But I admire your patience with him.

To answer your question SmootSmack, Suisham choked early in San Francisco, he got released in training camp.

As MattyK pointed out, Suisham made 83% of his kicks. Nick Folk, a Pro Bowler, made 83% of his kicks. Suisham also made 3 more FGs than Folk. Still think Suisham is a bum?

mheisig · 01-07-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

As MattyK pointed out, Suisham made 83% of his kicks. Nick Folk, a Pro Bowler, made 83% of his kicks. Suisham also made 3 more FGs than Folk. Still think Suisham is a bum?

To be fair, the real difference is that Folk made 83.87% of his field goals, whereas Suisham made a mere 82.85%

Clearly Folk is 1.02% better than Suisham and far more deserving of the Pro Bowl nomination.

MTK · 01-07-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Should have know this was going to turn into a Cowboys fan bashing a Redskins kicker. Guess there is no escaping that here.

Was just sharing observations is all. If you are happy with Suisham, well I am happy for you. As I said earlier...we agree to disagree. Why don't we just leave it at that? I for one could not be happier that he is on your roster.

For your sake I hope Folk nails all his playoff kicks, or we're going to be on you like stink on shit.

firstdown · 01-07-2008, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Ok well I can see that there is no way I can convince you guys about Suisham. So we can agree to disagree on that one. I was merely trying to point out that I watched the Redskins and Suisham all year as well and he appears to be the same PK we had in Dallas when were deep in the quagmire of our kicking woes. But I admire your patience with him.

To answer your question SmootSmack, Suisham choked early in San Francisco, he got released in training camp.

I have to call you on this one. SS played in 6 game for Dallas 3 in 05 and 3 in 06. He had a grand total of 6 kicks and made 4 of them. The two he missed were one between 30-39 and one between 40-49 so not much there to look at and we do not know the circumstances of the kicks. He does not have any recorded kicks for the 49's. If I'm correct didn't he boot that kick for us after ST recovered that blocked FG last year for us to beat Dallas?

rk3025 · 01-07-2008, 07:05 PM

I do not know what Sellers did the days before playoff in Seattle but he sure did not have his head in the game at ALL

QUOTE=SmootSmack;403349]Absolutely agree with that. Don't forget Sellers being out of place and forcing a timeout[/QUOTE]

Lady Brave · 01-07-2008, 09:10 PM

Right before Suisham got ready to kick, I told my friends, "Man, I hope he doesn't shank it to the left." Dang it!

I don't blame Suisham at all. You know who I do blame? Tom freakin Cruise. When they showed him inside that suite I started yelling, "Oh crap! Why the hell is Tom Cruise there? Bad mojo! Bad mojo! Get him outta there!"

Why Tom, why? You killed our football dreams. Oh how I hate him.

sandtrapjack · 01-08-2008, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

Right before Suisham got ready to kick, I told my friends, "Man, I hope he doesn't shank it to the left." Dang it!

I don't blame Suisham at all. You know who I do blame? Tom freakin Cruise. When they showed him inside that suite I started yelling, "Oh crap! Why the hell is Tom Cruise there? Bad mojo! Bad mojo! Get him outta there!"

Why Tom, why? You killed our football dreams. Oh how I hate him.

So are you saying that Tom Cruise is to the Redskins what Jessica Simpson is to the Cowboys?

01-07-2008, 01:04 PM	#121
HOGTIMUS PRIME Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 101	Re: Suisham = Momentum Killer To blame Suisam is nonsense, I told a friend we needed a TD at that point a field goal would not do it, our line as usual couldn't open holes when a D is playing short yardage football, granted we had a lot of backups in there the starters haven't faired any better in those type of situations, the offensive line needs to be over hauled with the exception of Samuels. We lose 35-17 if Suisam makes that kick. The plays that killed us were Sellars and his block in the back on Rocks kick off return which would have put us on the Seattle 25 instead of our own 40 which lead to Collins throwing that deep ball, and Moss with his head up his ASS all game dropping ball after ball, what an absolute joke on the INT!

01-07-2008, 01:09 PM	#122
sandtrapjack The Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,994	Re: Suisham = Momentum Killer Ok well I can see that there is no way I can convince you guys about Suisham. So we can agree to disagree on that one. I was merely trying to point out that I watched the Redskins and Suisham all year as well and he appears to be the same PK we had in Dallas when were deep in the quagmire of our kicking woes. But I admire your patience with him. To answer your question SmootSmack, Suisham choked early in San Francisco, he got released in training camp.

01-07-2008, 01:25 PM	#123
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Re: Suisham = Momentum Killer Hey, if 83% and 29 FGs = a kicking quagmire, bring it on. We've seen much, much worse over the years here. We've gone through kicker after kicker including dumping David Akers prematurely. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

01-07-2008, 01:37 PM	#124
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	Re: Suisham = Momentum Killer One thing I wanted add.... I think special teams as a whole killed alot of our momentum with all those penalties. Rock kept getting great returns that put us in good field position. Also, the coverage wasn't that great either. Seattle won the field position game.

01-07-2008, 02:32 PM	#125
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Suisham = Momentum Killer Just like many of us said before the game, Seattle had to play the game of their lives and we had to play at least "equal" to the past four weeks before that. Seattle held up it's end of the bargain, we just crapped the bed. It happens and it just so happened it was the playoffs. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-07-2008, 03:57 PM	#126
qb1717 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5	Re: Suisham = Momentum Killer OK, I keep reading about how awful Suisham has been - a choker from this Dallas guy. Now, start talking facts instead of what you think is fact. Your first problem is the San Francisco take. He wasn't even there in the preseason. When released from Dallas he was signed to the practice squad for one week because Joe Nedney was hurt. He did not play AT ALL and was released after the week because Nedney was OK. So, that was a real choke??? Now, in Dallas, he did not even have a chance to kick many field goals - in fact he was originally on the team as a kick-off specialist for Vanderjagt. And in the revolving door that was there at the time - how could any kicker do well? I would say that if Folk had been in that same soap opera with the Parcell's mind games, then his performance may not have been so good either. Should Suisham have missed - of course not. But, lets look at the whole picture. That was the first pressure kick he missed in Washington. How many games did he actually help Washington win this year?? This was the FIRST game that you could tie him to the loss. The Redskins DID NOT PLAY like they SHOULD have won that game. COULD THEY HAVE - SURE. BUT, how do you hang the inept play for most of the game on the kicker. Oh, and by the way - your boy has not proven himself in playoff competition yet either. Maybe he will shank the ball similar to what he did two weeks ago on a gimme field goal.

01-07-2008, 04:17 PM	#127
sandtrapjack The Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,994	Re: Suisham = Momentum Killer Should have know this was going to turn into a Cowboys fan bashing a Redskins kicker. Guess there is no escaping that here. Was just sharing observations is all. If you are happy with Suisham, well I am happy for you. As I said earlier...we agree to disagree. Why don't we just leave it at that? I for one could not be happier that he is on your roster.

01-07-2008, 04:47 PM	#128
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Suisham = Momentum Killer I'm not buying. I personally would prefer to keep both guys unless a proven vet becomes available. Suisham had a pretty good year and so did Frosty. Are either of them playing as well as I would like them to? No, but they're better than our known alternatives.

01-07-2008, 07:05 PM	#133
rk3025 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: hampton roads Posts: 92	Re: Suisham = Momentum Killer I do not know what Sellers did the days before playoff in Seattle but he sure did not have his head in the game at ALL QUOTE=SmootSmack;403349]Absolutely agree with that. Don't forget Sellers being out of place and forcing a timeout[/QUOTE]

01-07-2008, 09:10 PM	#134
Lady Brave The Starter Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Trinity, NC Age: 53 Posts: 1,444	Re: Suisham = Momentum Killer Right before Suisham got ready to kick, I told my friends, "Man, I hope he doesn't shank it to the left." Dang it! I don't blame Suisham at all. You know who I do blame? Tom freakin Cruise. When they showed him inside that suite I started yelling, "Oh crap! Why the hell is Tom Cruise there? Bad mojo! Bad mojo! Get him outta there!" Why Tom, why? You killed our football dreams. Oh how I hate him.

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