NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Let's say Smootsmack's theory on Marcus Washington is right, and he's got a nagging problem that bothers the coaches to the point that they need his replacement right away.

Here's what bothers me: It yet again demonstrates this front office's mental block towards the defensive line. Certainly the same argument could be made with regard to Joe Salave'a. He was nicked up all last year, couldn't hold up against the run, and the statistics against the run prove it. But why isn't there the same type of urgency to plan for his replacement? Here we were in prime position at #6 to get an impact player at his position but now, if these reports are true, they're willing to plummet to #31 where it's certain no defensive lineman will be available with any value.

Didn't Joe Gibbs understand how important it was to have a defensive line made up with the likes of Dave Butz, Daryl Grant, Dexter Manley and Charles Mann? What has happened that has taken his focus away from such a vital element to a strong defense?

We could line you up at Defensive End and with Lance Briggs on your side he makes every play.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by JDALY27

We could line you up at Defensive End and with Lance Briggs on your side he makes every play.

Maybe -- but 5-7 yards later? That's the point. All the superstars at linebacker won't matter when they have to make the tackle after a big gain and nobody can stop them at the line of scrimmage.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I'm with ya, I don't think on paper this is a bad deal, in fact if we hadn't drafted Rocky it would be a great deal for us. I think everyone's getting all upset over this based on the assumption that Rocky WILL be our starter at wlb. I hope he's ready to be, but as someone said maybe he's a bust, or just hasn't convinced the coaches yet. maybe they see him as a 3rd down LB or to spell both LB spots in some packages?

The other concern is the $. What's the difference between paying the #6 pick & Briggs? Both will get a hefty bonus, but Briggs is a proven commodity.

At #31 we can get a good DE, one that will start. I have reservations about the deal from a team chemistry standpoint more than a talent/value standpoint. As JoeRedskin said, a pro bowl LB & a 1st rnd. pick for a high 1st pick is a good deal. There's more certainty that Briggs will be a top player than the #6 will be. See the recent history of 1st round D-line picks if you disagree.

I can't help but agree, even though I would have a tough time giving up no. 6 and probably wouldn't without a gun to my head. There is more than an element of truth in the notion that there will still be a top DL on the board at No. 31. My guess is that the skins think they'll have a great shot at Anthony Spencer, who is almost as fast as Adams and had a spectacular senior year. Even if they miss Spencer, there will still be a great prospect and definate upgrade at DE or DL at No.31. Do the math.

[MTK]

After sleeping on this the deal as proposed right now doesn't seem that bad to me. Would I want them to do it? No. But remember (as some have already pointed out) the price tag of a franchise player is two first rounders. In this scenario the Skins still keep a 1st rounder and get a franchise quality player. Can anyone deny what a great LB corps this would be with Washington, Fletcher, and Briggs... with Marshall and McIntosh coming off the bench?!

I think the Skins would actually be coming out ahead on this deal if they were to do it, that being said I'm not in favor of it.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

After sleeping on this the deal as proposed right now doesn't seem that bad to me. Would I want them to do it? No. But remember (as some have already pointed out) the price tag of a franchise player is two first rounders. In this scenario the Skins still keep a 1st rounder and get a franchise quality player. Can anyone deny what a great LB corps this would be with Washington, Fletcher, and Briggs... with Marshall and McIntosh coming off the bench?!

I think the Skins would actually be coming out ahead on this deal if they were to do it, that being said I'm not in favor of it.

This is the sort of logic that kind of makes me think this deal will get done. I can just see Danny now, thinking what a great deal it is because the normal price for a Franchise Player is two first round picks and he would only be giving up the equivalent of the #16 overall pick (in points; which is something to remember to those who say we aren't losing a first round pick, actually we are giving up the equivalent of a mid-first round pick). BUT how often do Franchise Players get traded? Ummmmm, that's right NEVER. The Sean Gilbert deal was the last one (which worked great for the Skins, maybe all these stupid trades are karma for that one, as they say payback is a b&#th). This is NOT a deal. I would be something else if the Redskins were giving up a 2nd round pick (which is basically the value that I think ANY OTHER FRANCHISE would give in a trade for Briggs) but this is giving up an elite pick for a non-elite position player. Linebackers are just not DTs or CBs or QBs, AND WE HAVE A CHANCE TO DRAFT AN ELITE PLAYER AT ONE OF THE ELITE POSITIONS AT #6!!! I cannot emphasize enough how horrible a move this is, not because Briggs is a bad player, but because YET AGAIN the Redskins look poised to vastly overpay for a player. Someone wake me up with the Dan Snyder nightmare is over. Even though I'm still pretty young, I fear that I might not see the end of it . . .

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

After sleeping on this the deal as proposed right now doesn't seem that bad to me. Would I want them to do it? No. But remember (as some have already pointed out) the price tag of a franchise player is two first rounders. In this scenario the Skins still keep a 1st rounder and get a franchise quality player. Can anyone deny what a great LB corps this would be with Washington, Fletcher, and Briggs... with Marshall and McIntosh coming off the bench?!

I think the Skins would actually be coming out ahead on this deal if they were to do it, that being said I'm not in favor of it.

i still want an extra pick from them though

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

After sleeping on this the deal as proposed right now doesn't seem that bad to me. Would I want them to do it? No. But remember (as some have already pointed out) the price tag of a franchise player is two first rounders. In this scenario the Skins still keep a 1st rounder and get a franchise quality player. Can anyone deny what a great LB corps this would be with Washington, Fletcher, and Briggs... with Marshall and McIntosh coming off the bench?!

I think the Skins would actually be coming out ahead on this deal if they were to do it, that being said I'm not in favor of it.

I'm scared because I'm about to argue fervently against The Ego. But here goes nothing...

Just because a guy is labeled a franchise player, is he automatically worth 2 first round picks? That's what the CBA says a franchise player is worth in a trade, but that doesn't mean teams are willing to pay that.

If Lance Briggs didn't have the franchise tag, would you give this year's first rounder and next year's first rounder for him? I'd hope not. The reason? He's not worth that much, no matter what tag he has on him!

We're not coming out ahead of anything. We'd get a really good LB and a pick that can't possibly land us an impact DT. We don't need 1 good LB. We need an impact DT, a young G to groom (don't forget, we're currently planning on forcing a career-long T who is built like a T to switch to G), an athletic S to play alongside Taylor, and some would say a young DE because we're getting old at that spot.

This trade does not fit our needs, it doesn't solve our problems, and it perpetuates the players' discontent with our front office's willingness to pay outside talent rather than pay to keep their own. We need to trade the 6th pick for more picks, not Lance Briggs and a pick that can't solve our biggest need: DT.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm scared because I'm about to argue fervently against The Ego. But here goes nothing....

The "10" in Schneed10 stands for the number of weeks The Ego is about to ban you for!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The "10" in Schneed10 stands for the number of weeks The Ego is about to ban you for!

LOL. Or will he go with 72 weeks, as in Mattyk72?

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The "10" in Schneed10 stands for the number of weeks The Ego is about to ban you for!

Glad I didn't post it then.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

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This trade does not fit our needs, it doesn't solve our problems, and it perpetuates the players' discontent with our front office's willingness to pay outside talent rather than pay to keep their own. We need to trade the 6th pick for more picks, not Lance Briggs and a pick that can't solve our biggest need: DT.

I would have to disagree with on making the players in our locker room discontent with our FO. This move would not really be stepping on anyones toes or paying someone new instead of paying one of our own guys. We paid our own guys this year and didn't pay the right ones. As for not addressing our biggest need I agree with you.

This also kills any deal that would bring in Dre Bly, thus leaving us with an older and more fragile srpings to deal with next year.

[#56fanatic]

for the life of me I can't understand all of the negativity towards this proposed deal. We keep a 1st rounder, and gain a STUD of a LB. Rocky may not be developing the way they want, or if they are like me, you just can't pass up on a guy like Briggs. especially when you essentially just change picks and do not lose our 1st rounder. Our D line does need to be addressed, which it will, just later in the draft. The draft is deep enough we can get a quality player. There may be something in the works we do not know about yet. I can't believe the number of people that are all for signing aged up LB or OLINE men, but when a 26 year old beast LB comes available for essentially nothing, people are bashing it. Yes it will cost us, yes Rocky will sit, but that is just a move that can't be ignored. That side of our D was consistantly run all over.

[724Skinsfan]

Does anybody have any insight as to what Williams will do with Lemar, Rocky, Marcus, London and Lance at his disposal. He must be salivating at the thought of all that hard-hitting, high motor personnel that he'll be able to apply his gifted defensive genius to.

I get the feeling that the Skins are in full "all or nothing" mode. GTripp highlights the salary situation in the next couple of years which the Skins may be looking at as well. Perhaps Gibbs/Williams/Saunders/Danny and Yoda realize that even darker times are ahead so it's better load up to win right now.

If Williams has some sort of new swarming LB defense (3-4 hybrid) that he thinks will revolutionize how defenses are played then I can't argue against that. If it's just going to be "same ole, same ole" then I don't see any overwhelmingly positive gain out this as opposed to drafting a stud D-lineman earlier in the draft.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

for the life of me I can't understand all of the negativity towards this proposed deal. We keep a 1st rounder, and gain a STUD of a LB. Rocky may not be developing the way they want, or if they are like me, you just can't pass up on a guy like Briggs. especially when you essentially just change picks and do not lose our 1st rounder. Our D line does need to be addressed, which it will, just later in the draft. The draft is deep enough we can get a quality player. There may be something in the works we do not know about yet. I can't believe the number of people that are all for signing aged up LB or OLINE men, but when a 26 year old beast LB comes available for essentially nothing, people are bashing it. Yes it will cost us, yes Rocky will sit, but that is just a move that can't be ignored. That side of our D was consistantly run all over.

People are against it because it's the same old song.. Overpay for someone else's superstar while not addressing your most pressing need or developing what's in house.. Anyone else remember Jeremiah Trotter and Antonio Pierce? I know one wasn't a replacement for the other but how did that work out for us?

Granted the FO knows more about the talent on the roster than anyone but did they see in the last 3 games that Rocky has no ability to man that position? Did they determine that moving Marshall to the outside automatically renders him ineffective? This is a move you make when you are one player away, not coming off of a 5-11 season with GLARING holes in the defensive line and pass rushing ends..

I hate to play the what if game but the '05 offseason set this team back for years by making 2 dumb decisions, letting Smoot and Pierce go because we seemingly felt there was something else better out there. We are doing the same thing with McIntosh. We don't know what he'll be over 16 games but after wasting a pick to go get him they are replacing him with someone elses superstar.

If OLB was a need, why not get Cato June who is the same age, slightly less accomplished but would cost a HELL of a lot less in compensation ($+draft position). I'm not saying Briggs is not a good LB but he's a luxury item to this current roster, not a necessity.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

for the life of me I can't understand all of the negativity towards this proposed deal. We keep a 1st rounder, and gain a STUD of a LB. Rocky may not be developing the way they want, or if they are like me, you just can't pass up on a guy like Briggs. especially when you essentially just change picks and do not lose our 1st rounder. Our D line does need to be addressed, which it will, just later in the draft. The draft is deep enough we can get a quality player. There may be something in the works we do not know about yet. I can't believe the number of people that are all for signing aged up LB or OLINE men, but when a 26 year old beast LB comes available for essentially nothing, people are bashing it. Yes it will cost us, yes Rocky will sit, but that is just a move that can't be ignored. That side of our D was consistantly run all over.

The problem is we don't have any other picks until round 5 -- and there will not be any defensive linemen at that late stage to help where we need it most. This year's draft is deep at DL, but not that deep. If we take this deal and get the 31st pick, we won't have any bargaining power to trade down -- so there definitely won't be anything else "in the works" if this happens.

Teams ran all over us at the defensive line first -- so it follows that we need to address the front four first. Briggs won't matter at that point.