The hypocrisy of the ________

[BaltimoreSkins]

I agree that we are different. Culturally the constitution and the second amendment make guns a way of life in a way that is far more extreme than any other country. But I believe America is the best country in the world and while we may never have the lowest gun homicide rates for a developed country I don’t believe we have to accept our current status.

I also don’t think we should have a van on weapons just certain ones like assault weapons. You reference theban did not work I would love to see data if you have it share on that.

In terms of sentencing I would definitely be in favor of a 5 year prison sentence for possession of an illegal firearm. Mandatory? For most situations. I don’t think an adult with Down’s syndrome for example or a 13 year old should be held to those standards but an adult in the median of the bell curve no problem

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I agree that we are different. Culturally the constitution and the second amendment make guns a way of life in a way that is far more extreme than any other country. But I believe America is the best country in the world and while we may never have the lowest gun homicide rates for a developed country I don’t believe we have to accept our current status.

I also don’t think we should have a van on weapons just certain ones like assault weapons. You reference theban did not work I would love to see data if you have it share on that.

In terms of sentencing I would definitely be in favor of a 5 year prison sentence for possession of an illegal firearm. Mandatory? For most situations. I don’t think an adult with Down’s syndrome for example or a 13 year old should be held to those standards but an adult in the median of the bell curve no problem

Cool...yeah certainly some situations like that who wouldn't want to prosecute.

I also think there is an opportunity with technology in the development of "smart gun" where gun owners can only operate their own gun. Responsible gun ownership has always been a problem...too many stories of children accidently shooting themselves with owners who negligently leave guns out or guns being easily stolen only to be used in other crimes.

[Chico23231]

First it was the Russia conspiracies, then Supreme Court conspiracies, now the Epstein conspiracies...this is why people claim the mainstream media is the enemy of the people.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

First it was the Russia conspiracies, then Supreme Court conspiracies, now the Epstein conspiracies...this is why people claim the mainstream media is the enemy of the people.

Common denominator is...................?





chico what is scary is your acting more and more like trump and his stupid tweets every day.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Common denominator is...................?





chico what is scary is your acting more and more like trump and his stupid tweets every day.

Common denominator is all outlandishly false.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Common denominator is all outlandishly false.

Epstein was falsely accused and was not friends with Bill Clinton ,Prince Andrew or.......................donnie trump. Of course he committed suicide in a high security prison after coming "OFF" a previous suicide watch . trump makes a tweet and his lap dog Barr orders an investigation? Who is floating the conspiracies the media or trump?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

First it was the Russia conspiracies, then Supreme Court conspiracies, now the Epstein conspiracies...this is why people claim the mainstream media is the enemy of the people.

Who needs the media when the President tweets out ridiculous conspiracy theories.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Who needs the media when the President tweets out ridiculous conspiracy theories.

I can’t disagree because he did tweet out a Clinton one. It’s insane

[CRedskinsRule]

I truly hate the gun debate. No one wants to see mass shootings, gang shootings, shootings resulting in suicide. I am not defending those actions by bad actors.

That said,

In 2018, an estimated 40,000 people lost their lives to car crashes

In 2015, the most recent year for which data is available, a total of 638,169 abortions were reported

CDC Stats Gun deaths
2017
Suicide 23,854
Homicide 14,544

Which number seems the most outlandish?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I truly hate the gun debate. No one wants to see mass shootings, gang shootings, shootings resulting in suicide. I am not defending those actions by bad actors.

That said,







Which number seems the most outlandish?

All different issues .....................lets not pull a trump switch and bait.


This is about guns.................................

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

All different issues .....................lets not pull a trump switch and bait.


This is about guns.................................

No it's about the deaths caused by guns. And the fact that more people are killed by cars then guns, and the fact that order of magnitude more people with no voice are killed because they have no voice. Gun violence creates fear, and fear motivates politicians to make bad laws. Car deaths are accepted because of the necessity of cars is seen as greater then the necessity of guns. Death by abortion is accepted because the murdered party can't defend themselves with twitter accounts #inutero

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

No it's about the deaths caused by guns. And the fact that more people are killed by cars then guns, and the fact that order of magnitude more people with no voice are killed because they have no voice. Gun violence creates fear, and fear motivates politicians to make bad laws. Car deaths are accepted because of the necessity of cars is seen as greater then the necessity of guns. Death by abortion is accepted because the murdered party can't defend themselves with twitter accounts #inutero

Car deaths have been greatly reduced over the years with laws and improvements in safety features. Abortions are at a decade low. Gun deaths however have been on the rise. Can't we say all three issues are a concern? I don't understand the need to prioritize, especially if you're basing it on just raw numbers in a vacuum.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Car deaths have been greatly reduced over the years with laws and improvements in safety features. Abortions are at a decade low. Gun deaths however have been on the rise. Can't we say all three issues are a concern? I don't understand the need to prioritize, especially if you're basing it on just raw numbers in a vacuum.

I think you certainly can prioritize, and work to require added safety features to guns, like we do cars, and stronger mental health requirements, like we should with abortions. Anytime you have an area that can be recognized as preventable deaths, you should do what you can to minimize those risks, WITHOUT infringing on the rights and freedoms of law abiding citizens. The problem is the gun debate gets taken out of that context into media hyperbole around the latest tragic incident so that the government can pass bad law.

In terms of accidental or negligent deaths, [note i am combining year data to show a point so these numbers - while relatively accurate to each other - are not exacts from a specific year] you can have 500 accidental gun deaths(2015) ratio compared to 136000 total accidental deaths(2014) but gun activists will scream bloody murder.

Instead of dealing with the urban violence and root causes brought on by (mainly) liberal inner city politics, gun activists will scream for gun control as if it is a panacea.

So yes you can deal with guns rationally - creating smart safeties, increasing gun safety courses, and finding ways to keep hands out of violent offenders. But lots of bad laws can get thrown into society due to the fear/shock from attacks like Dayton

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

No it's about the deaths caused by guns. And the fact that more people are killed by cars then guns, and the fact that order of magnitude more people with no voice are killed because they have no voice. Gun violence creates fear, and fear motivates politicians to make bad laws. Car deaths are accepted because of the necessity of cars is seen as greater then the necessity of guns. Death by abortion is accepted because the murdered party can't defend themselves with twitter accounts #inutero

If you're going to do the cars/guns argument I'm going to rebuke with the "let's treat guns the same way we treat cars" argument. You need a license to drive, you have to attend a class and take a test at the end of class to prove you are worthy to drive. You have to get your license renewed every 5 years, and your license can be suspended or revoked for any number of reasons.

Deal? deal.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

If you're going to do the cars/guns argument I'm going to rebuke with the "let's treat guns the same way we treat cars" argument. You need a license to drive, you have to attend a class and take a test at the end of class to prove you are worthy to drive. You have to get your license renewed every 5 years, and your license can be suspended or revoked for any number of reasons.

Deal? deal.

Don't forget ,............age (must be 16/17) and must have Insurance on your car .