trump Inpeachment...............

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

This is the type of unnecessary shit we don't need here. You said this to my face we'd be yelling and/or fighting. Not saying I'd win or get my ass kicked but we'd probably find out. This is an asshole post.

Of course you would. You don't have the brain power to collectively think through issues that require critical skills thinking. You'd just rather yell and use violence. That's what barbaric neanderthals do.

Yes it was an asshole post and so are the people still supporting Trump. I get why you may have voted for him. Sure, Clinton was a shit candidate and people though what the fuck, couldn't hurt right? I get it. i really do. I don't think people that voted for Trump are stupid even though it's apparent they didn't do their homework on him. That's fine. I get it.

However, after 3 years of this mickey mouse shit and you guys are still supporting him. Nah, fuck being polite. It's just mind boggling people still support this guy. You can still be conservative and Republican and think Trump is a huge pile of steaming shit. Rick Wilson, Bill Kristol, George Wallace, Steve Schmidt, George Will, George Conway, Charlie Sykes and many more prominent Republicans that despise him.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...where-to-look/

Why give up your values and your morality to continue to support a soulless piece of shit? Stop treating this shit like it's some professional sports team you like. Pull for the team no matter the costs!!!

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

And if you're going to use the Lord's name in vain can you at least fucking spell it correctly?

God damnit. Sorry about that. I'll remember to get that right in the future.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

They hadn't done shit to us for years once the Iran treaty was signed. What dickhead pulled us out of that and then decided to cripple their economy? Why in the fuck do you think they were poking the bear. Jesus fucking chirst. Are you all this fucking dense? Of course you are, you support an idiot like Trump.

Trump is the moron that decided to pull us out of the treaty, and putting maximum pressure on Iran for no other reason than he wanted to undo yet another milestone that Obama had created. What did you expect Iran to do after that? They have no choice but to act out once you decide to fuck them over and cripple their economy.

If anything, all this moron did was unite the Iranian people. Weeks and months prior, people in Iran were protesting the government, and people in Iraq were protesting Iranian influence. Leave it to Trump to unite them all by doing something boneheaded.


Tweet of the week.

@CivMilAir
If Trump seriously wants to fuck up Iran, why doesn't he just become their president?
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https://twitter.com/CivMilAir/status...63822054694912

Well said !

[mooby]

I don't think we'll see the repercussions in visible ways that lead to escalations, i.e. blocking the Straits of Hormuz. I think the Iranians will escalate through methods like hacking our infrastructure, or disseminating false information online.

Or maybe they'll bomb a Trump tower. I guarantee that would push Trump to declare some form of war, maybe not boots on the ground but drone strikes in Iran or some other form of escalation.

[Chico23231]

There is no easy answer and in the end my greatest want is to leave the Middle East. It’s an evil place with evil people with one common social fabric throughout their countries which binds their constant state of violence. How can you use religious edicts in every act of violence and yet claim peaceful, loving people? The answer is your are not. Perception is reality.

The major problem is when we leave the vacuum is filled with folks who will insist to strike us abroad for no fucking reason...see 9/11 and the war on terror.

Let’s look at the facts and just recent acts of evil throughout that region:

1. Saudis kill and cut up a journalist in Turkey. Horrific, both Saudi and turkey are complicit
2. The formation of a country, ISIS, based on terror and genocide. Fucking genocide folks, ethic cleansing, which attracted support throughout Europe and some parts of Asia.
3. Turkey evolving dictatorship collect and killing political prisoners.
4. Iran killings of 1500 protesters which ayatollahs preached the Quran allowed them to do this.

Iran and Saudis commit terrible atrocities against their own people, beheading woman in the streets, hanging boys on cranes. Pakistan allows the stoning and cutting off of limbs.

Anybody attempting to humanize Soleimani...stop. Your ignorance to the situation adds nothing to the conversation. Research who he was. There is no question he was planning and strategizing the death of Americans and others in the region who were enemies of Iran...he’s never stopped doing that. He was involved in the killings of his own citizens...he was a monster and deserved to die. Nothing illegal about it and trump didn’t need anyone approval.

In the end, I’d like us to leave the region with the threat if attacked we will crater the country that harbors the perpetrators. Let them kill each like they have always done, they are savages.

[mooby]

Chico I think you put too much blame on the people of Iran, because much like America, the will of the politicians does not represent the will of the people.

What do you think the #1 thing that most lower-to-middle class people of America want? The #1 thing, more than any other thing? Is it to see the opposing side suffer (for me Republicans, for you Democrats)? No. They want the ability to work one job that makes enough money to provide for their family, and then hope to save up enough to retire comfortably someday. That's what I want, that's my American dream. My dairy farmer relatives (very pro-Trump), they want to work the dairy farm, and make enough money to celebrate the holidays, put food on the table, maybe take a vacation once a year, and save up enough to retire someday. I would love nothing more than to work for the county for 30 years, save up enough to buy a house somewhere in northern VA, raise a family and eventually retire. Do you really think the blue collar citizens of Iran would rather go to war with America than do exactly the same thing over there? Because I guarantee you, 10/10 times they would pick avoiding an unnecessary war with us.

The problem is their elected leaders don't have the same interests at heart. Their elected leaders probably hate us and would love nothing more than to see our world status knocked down a couple pegs. To the point where they might feel the need to escalate tensions with us because Trump got a hard-on for killing one of their high-ranking officials. I have no doubts Soleimani was someone who wanted to do bad things to Americans. Trump is probably justified for wanting him dead.

The problem is now that all of our allies are already publicly declaring they would not support us raising tensions any further. Now you two leaders of two countries that are about to get into a pissing match, with unnecessary loss of life on both sides an inevitability. Why do we need to battle Iran? They don't have the ability to match up with us militarily, but I guarantee you our online defenses are nowhere near good enough to stand up to any hacking. Have you learned nothing from Russia hacking us in 2016? It's 2020, wars are fight online now. Your data is the real asset. Imagine if they hacked our banks and locked us out for a week. Trump would survive, but you think your lenders would feel any sympathy for you if you didn't have any access to your funds to pay your bills?

There are other ways to hurt us than going toe to toe with the military.

[Giantone]

Great post Mooby!

[Chico23231]

How do we know the will of the Iranian people because they live under a theocracy which suppress individual freedoms and will kill their own people at any sign of unrest under religious edicts???

Can Iran operate as a normal country, or should we continue to expect their normal violent behavior as a state sponsor of terror which aims to destabilize a region in perpetual chaos? They continue to be appropriate label the axis of evil...they earned it in killing thousands of innocent.

The best thing the Iranian people could do would be to kill the mullahs and hoist their bodies publicly for the world to see in a statement of “no more”.

[CRedskinsRule]

There is no solution to the middle east that doesn't include massive loss of life at some point. We have seen the terrors that various countries leaders are willing to perpetrate on their own citizens and on ours. I fall more in the isolationist crowd, if Iraq wants us out we should leave and develop a middle east self defence pact along the lines of NATO with any countries willing to join. If none want that then pull our troops out across the board and deal with the country or countries that survive the inevitable confligration.

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[sdskinsfan2001]

And if you're going to use the Lord's name in vain can you at least fucking spell it correctly?

[CRedskinsRule]

Pretty good revisionist history to say they hadn't done shit to us. Gotta get some of what you got.

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[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Pretty good revisionist history to say they hadn't done shit to us. Gotta get some of what you got.

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I said for years since the Iran treaty. Try reading it all, and not selectively. That would be a good start.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I said for years since the Iran treaty. Try reading it all, and not selectively. That would be a good start.

I was talking about since the Iran treaty or do you discount their role in iraq, syria and the extinct caliphate?

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[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I was talking about since the Iran treaty or do you discount their role in iraq, syria and the extinct caliphate?

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We haven't had any Iranian attacks (against us) for years. You do realize that Iran was fighting against ISIS, not supporting them. They are allies with Syria, who were/are fighting ISIS. In fact, Iran has had more to do with ISIS being obliterated than we are.

[Chico23231]

The Iran Deal wasn't a good one but did in the short term stop the nuclear program.

First, lets establish the Iranian cause to pursue Nuclear aspirations is for weapons and not their so-called energy reason. Iran has ALWAYS stated they do not want to pursue a nuclear weapon, that is a LIE. So you are negotiating with a LIE to begin with...not good.

The deal overlooked ballistic missile...AKA THE WEAPONS delivery system of a nuclear weapon. Lets think real hard: Stop developing Nuclear aspiration for the short term while investing in Ballistic Missile technology which they tested WHICH VIOLATED UN resolutions IMMEDIATELY after the nuclear agreement:

March 9, 2016: Iran test launches two different variations of the Qadr medium-range ballistic missile.

March 14, 2016: U.S. Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power says she raised Iran's ballistic missile tests at a Security Council meeting, saying that the tests are inconsistent with UN Security Council Resolution 2231.

March 15, 2016: Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif defends Iran's missile launches saying that the missiles are permissible under UN Security Council Resolution 2231 because the missiles are not designed to be capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

Also the Sunset Clauses allowed for Iran to begin a nuclear aspirations immediately. Iran was already planning for this as they was documents were leaked

July 18, 2016: Iran's research and development plan for advanced centrifuge machines, leaked to the AP, is reported on in the press.

July 29, 2016: In a statement, the IAEA notes it sent a letter to Iran denying it was the source of leaked information about Iranian plans for phasing in advanced centrifuges in 2027.

The sunset provision list 15 years...that's a lie, it allowed for research just after 10 years.

Also, the money given to the Iranian in the deal allowed them to fund their proxies specifically in Yemen were they started and continue to fight a civil war. Also fund Hezbollah (terrorists) operations throughout the region specifically in Lebanon against US troops and allies in the Syrian conflict as well as operations against Israel. US intelligence has followed the money.

Also, lets not turn a blind eye to Iraq and how the Obama administration completed fucked up and let Iran come in and take over. Lets look at the NYT article which documents the certified morons in the Obama Administration during this time period. This article is from November:

The Iran Cables: Secret Documents Show How Tehran Wields Power in Iraq

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...py-cables.html

The Iran deal was a fuck up, big time...we can easily point to what has happened since

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The Iran Cables: Secret Documents Show How Tehran Wields Power in Iraq

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...py-cables.html

The Iran deal was a fuck up, big time...we can easily point to what has happened since

So NYT is legit news source when it backs up a claim or makes Clinton/Obama look bad, but a fake news outlet when it's publishing wrong doings of Trump?


The Iran deal was agreed upon by 6 countries looking to avoid conflict. It wasn't perfect, but the alternate was worse. War.