The Gibbs Hypocrisy!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by ladyfan06

Just got an email from Redskins.com, there is a Live Chat w/ Coach Joe Gibbs on Fri., Sept. 16th, think maybe we can ask some of the questions then that we are asking each other, now?

oh, he'll get asked alright regardless. can't believe he's doing that coming into the Dallas game. i respect him for doing it, but if i were Gibbs i would be locked away from all the hoopla until after. who needs the distraction?

[ChounsMan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Based on what?

Pure ability Matty. Several scouts have said Cambell can make all the toughest throws that most QB's struggle with.

The kids got great touch on his passes. Reminds me of Aikmen in his rookie season, but with better size.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SkinDallas

offiss

Gunslinger............



You are so far up Ramsey's butt it is sick. The guy is a turnover machine, that might I add had 11 interceptions last year to Brunell’s 6. Let’s stop treating this guy like a rookie...remember he has started 31 NFL games now. To me that’s about 2 full seasons no matter how you break it up. Trust me I really wanted to like this guy too, but it is time to let go.



He are some other shocking stats about our (former) star QB.....

30 interceptions in 31 games......you might as well count on 1 a game

26 fumbles in 31 games....thats close to 1 a game

A passer rating of 70.....that’s not going to get you to the playoffs

and the list goes on and on.



Let’s face it, we are all blessed to have Gibbs back and I think that he has proved that he has more football savvy then all of us combined. He can see these guys day in and day out. I know that he is making the right choice here.



Mark looked great this preseason moving in the pocket as he used to do. I will bet any amount of money that a lot of you are going to be shocked with his performances on this upcoming Dallas game. If we manage the clock with our running game and #2 Defense after week one we will have no problems taking this one.



Mark may not be the one to mount a major come back for you but he will keep you in the game and not turn it over like Mr. Ramsey. You watch and see....

And let me guess who's arse are you up? I wonder!

Here's some interesting facts that you have seemed to gloss over.

1 When we talk about INT's they are no more important than fumbles, check Brunells stats last season he had 9 TO's in 9 games, 2 of which were defensive TD's which directly lost us the game, all he had to do is not allow a defensive TD and it's in the win colum for us, and we are in the playoffs.

2 Ramsey threw 3 INT's against the Giants trying to pull us out of a hole Brunell dug us into, he did something that game that Brunell could not, he moved the ball up and down the field every possession, 1 ball came off his hand funny and hung up in the air, the other came after he hit Rod Gardner on a 7 yd TD pass with one of the easiest catches you will ever see and he dropped it.

3 he did all this while taking about 10% of the reps in practice trying to learn a new system while backing up Brunell.

4 Oh what a short memory you do have, do you not recall how unbelievably inept Brunell was last season? Do you not remember the guy struggling to throw for 100 yards? Do you not Remember how many 3 and out's with Brunnell?

5 Bottom line I would rather have Ramsey who will move the ball up and down the field and throw the occasional INT which I believe with time he will eliminate, at least he moves the ball and gives a chance to score while keeping our defense off the field long enough to stay fresh, while wearing out the opposing defense, where as Brunells 3 and out's will wear our defense out by the 4th quarter.


As far as Im concerned everytime Brunell throws the ball away on third down he might as well be throwing an INT, but for some reason Gibbs is in love with the QB who would rather throw the ball away and give the ball back to the opposing offense, [thats what he calls fighting your guts out] than the QB who's out there really fighting his guts out hanging in the pocket trying to give his recievers a chance to get open knowing he might be pummled any second.

But this will all be settled come monday night, it's just a matter of time!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by illdefined

whatever stats anyone can dig up, they were worse than Brunell last year, (most importantly the stat for the L column), when Gibbs used his savvy to choose him over Ramsey based on preseason performance before.

if we could get Brunell to perform at his practice/preseason level for more than a half in a regular season game we'd be NFC champs, thing is we don't. you can't blame us for thinking one more year of age could do it. so far as a Skin, he only shines in small amounts of time and under special conditions.

Thats easy, we will just call the opposing coach and tell him to play his secong and third string players, that should get Brunell going in pre-season form!

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I don't know what it is about Ramsey. McCants and Ramsey were both in a very similar situation. Darnerian McCants met a similar but more extreme fate. Where's everyone's bleeding heart for him?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by T.J.Houshmanzadeh

The truth of the matter is that Gibbs lied. I have respect for the man, 3 Superbowls won, etc., but he still lied. He told Patrick, Brunell, and all of us that Ramsey was the starter. And with the flimsiest of excuses, he benches him, and puts in his hand-picked boy. A boy, whom I might add, still hasn't admitted he was playing hurt last year.

Interesting, now Joe Gibbs is a liar.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

People are fallable. Gibbs is a person, therefore he is fallable. He has explained to us how hard it is for him to make this change, but apparently he felt a change is needed.

I'm sure that this has nothing to do with him trying to "prove he's still got it." He wants to win football games. He's not in this for the money, he's in this for pride. Not for personal pride, but for pride of the organization. He already won 3 Super Bowls, what did he have left to prove?

[12thMan]

Yeah, fallable....but that doesn't make him a liar as our friend suggested.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by offiss

But this will all be settled come monday night, it's just a matter of time!

i highly doubt it will all be settled after one night.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i highly doubt it will all be settled after one night.

I have a feeling it will be ugly, I know I am going out on a limb with that but thats how I feel.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by offiss

Thats easy, we will just call the opposing coach and tell him to play his secong and third string players, that should get Brunell going in pre-season form!

Anyone can crack jokes, but sarcasm requires a certain degree of intelligence.

Touche!

[GoSkins!]

Again, I agree with the fact that Ramsey got yanked to early if it was for the season, but...

I don't recall Ramsey scoring to many points in the Dallas game last year. If everyone is going to jump on Brunnel if he doesn't score many points, and we are comparing Brunnel to last year, then compare Brunnel to the Ramsey game agains Dallas last year when Monday gets here.

I think that some of us are letting our emotions cloud our logic here. I don't think that it was the turn over(s) that caused Ramsey to be sent to the bench and Brown sent packing, but the timing of the turnovers.

Ramsey was given total support for the entire off season and preseason. He was then, because of his uneven number of turnovers, given the ultimatum to protect the ball against the Bears. He didn't. I'm sure this fact was stressed between every drive. Still, he didn't.

At halftime, can anyone here guess what might have been stressed in the locker room? Does anyone remember what happened on the first play out of the locker room after half time? That is why Brown is gone.

Ramsey is on the bench and Brown is gone because Gibbs told them to protect the ball, and they didn't. He is the boss. Period.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

While It is absolutely true that Brunell had an overall lower QB rating last year than PR (74.8 vs 63.0), the turnover stat is way off balance.

PR threw only 14.77% more passes than MB (272 vs 237), but had 83.33% more INT's.

See: http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/WAS/2004/regular

A mediocre QB sure aint going to win you many games, but he can lose them very quickly.

J

you're forgetting brunells fumbles including ones returned for touchdowns. meaure TOs, not just ints. you also forgot to mention ramsey had 42.8% more TDs.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

The TD % is not nearly as skewed as the INT %.

The TD % for PR is 3.7% and 3.0% for MB. Not that big a diff., compared to INT's

thats still 23.3%, i'd say thats a huge difference.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

No shit it's a discussion forum. But all I see is back and forth about the same subject. Move on. Let's focus on beating the Cowboys. Why don't you go to extreme skins since you know so much about it. Stop whining while you're at it.

look, you're whining about other people whining. If you don't want to read it, DON'T, but please don't be offensive just because you have nothing better to do.