Brunell Starting

[irish]

About 4 weeks ago I said that Gibbs has no faith in PR and that MB would be starting game 4. Everybody on this site told me I did not understand about faith in a QB. They also said Gibbs would never pull PR by week 4. Looks like I was correct about the former and incorrect about the latter, my prediction was 2 weeks too late.

[mheisig]

Grrrrrr...

Rant On

I don't post alot but dammit I'm upset. I'm not so sure it's as important WHO we go with as just picking someone and sticking with it. Ramsey has had ONE game? ONE GAME?! I hardly find Brunell's 8/14 for 70yds a convincing relief performance. How is a quarterback supposed to have any ocnfidence whatsoever if everytime the slightest thing goes wrong he gets benched? I mean 6/11 for 105 and an INT isn't exactly stellar, but in that case half the QBs in the league should be benched.

This just makes me sick. Ya know I just moved from Maryland to Tennessee and was all in a panic that I can't get all the 'Skins games down here. Now I'm not so worried.

Rant Off

Of course I AM worried...been a 'Skins fan since I was a fetus. I guess I'm on the bandwagon one way or another. I do it reluctantly though.

[mheisig]

Wait let me clarfiy:

I'm on the Gibbs Bandwagon. The Brunell Bandwagon should not even exist, and I'll personally remove the lug nuts if anyone tries to get it going.

Brunell is an overpaid, washed-up old putz with a noodle for an arm and no real apparent emotion for the game. All I can figure is he must be a smooth talker or something to get Gibbs to like him.

Maybe he brings donuts every morning. Hell, for $43 million I'd be a brownnoser too...

[Joe Knows...]

mheisig, your metaphors give me a good much needed laugh. LOL.

You're funny.

[SkinsRock]

Ok, first and foremost, I am a Redskin fan, so I will root for them no matter who is starting and who is on the team. I also have faith in Joe Gibbs and his coaching staff.

I have always been a big Ramsey supporter, but he just does not seem to be able to improve his accuracy and stop turning the ball over. So I agree with Gibbs's decision. Brunell was good in preseason and yes it was against back-ups, but the last time I checked, QB accuracy and poise doesn't have anything to do with who the players on the defense are. He showed it big-time, and Ramsey, not as much...in year four, he still looks too much like a work-in-progress. I am disappointed that Patrick wasn't given more of a shot, but I agree that Brunell gives the Redskins the best chance to win now. Last year he was injured, and Gibbs should have pulled him earlier, at the very least to let him get healthy, but that is over with. Players (and teams) have bad years that they bounce back from. It happens every year. Hopefully Brunell, and the Redskins, can be one of those stories this year. I think they will.

As for the offense, it is better than last year overall. It is year two in the system and they have made adjustments to better fit the players they have. The line is vastly improved with Rabach and Jansen (even with no thumbs!). Portis has put on almost 20 lbs. to handle the load and seems determined to carry this offense. The new receivers have the speed and ability to get downfield, AND to get RAC yards after the 5-15 yard passes that Lav and Rod just couldn't get last year. Pretty much everyone agrees that Cooley will definitely improve on his very good rookie year (even the Skins-hating experts). So even if Brunell sucks just like last year, the rest of this team has the ability to overcome it....but I don't think he will.

It seems to me that Gibbs wants someone that can effectively run the offense for a year or two until he can get Campbell up to speed, and it appears the Brunell is more qualified and in a better position, career-wise, to do that. I wish Ramsey all the luck in the world, but it seems that his days as a Redskin are numbered, whether it is a trade this season, or being traded or released next offseason. By the way, remember that it was said that Snyder was very high on Ramsey and he was his pick? Who's in control now???

Hail to the Redskins!!!

[Joe Knows...]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Ok, first and foremost, I am a Redskin fan, so I will root for them no matter who is starting and who is on the team. I also have faith in Joe Gibbs and his coaching staff.

I have always been a big Ramsey supporter, but he just does not seem to be able to improve his accuracy and stop turning the ball over. So I agree with Gibbs's decision. Brunell was good in preseason and yes it was against back-ups, but the last time I checked, QB accuracy and poise doesn't have anything to do with who the players on the defense are. He showed it big-time, and Ramsey, not as much...in year four, he still looks too much like a work-in-progress. I am disappointed that Patrick wasn't given more of a shot, but I agree that Brunell gives the Redskins the best chance to win now. Last year he was injured, and Gibbs should have pulled him earlier, at the very least to let him get healthy, but that is over with. Players (and teams) have bad years that they bounce back from. It happens every year. Hopefully Brunell, and the Redskins, can be one of those stories this year. I think they will.

As for the offense, it is better than last year overall. It is year two in the system and they have made adjustments to better fit the players they have. The line is vastly improved with Rabach and Jansen (even with no thumbs!). Portis has put on almost 20 lbs. to handle the load and seems determined to carry this offense. The new receivers have the speed and ability to get downfield, AND to get RAC yards after the 5-15 yard passes that Lav and Rod just couldn't get last year. Pretty much everyone agrees that Cooley will definitely improve on his very good rookie year (even the Skins-hating experts). So even if Brunell sucks just like last year, the rest of this team has the ability to overcome it....but I don't think he will.

It seems to me that Gibbs wants someone that can effectively run the offense for a year or two until he can get Campbell up to speed, and it appears the Brunell is more qualified and in a better position, career-wise, to do that. I wish Ramsey all the luck in the world, but it seems that his days as a Redskin are numbered, whether it is a trade this season, or being traded or released next offseason. By the way, remember that it was said that Snyder was very high on Ramsey and he was his pick? Who's in control now???

Hail to the Redskins!!!

Fight for all DC!!!!!

You nailed it my friend. Good Post!

[jermus22]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I know a lot of people think that Gibbs is stubborn and he's trying to force Brunell to look good so that people think he is right. DON'T WE KNOW GIBBS BETTER THAN THIS?

He wants to win, first and foremost. If he feels Brunell will give us a better chance of winning, then by God, I'll stand behind him on that.

I have to agree with you. Think about all Gibbs' qb controversies in the past with Schroeder, Williams, and Rypien. Yet each decision ended up for the best. Sure, I don't understand making the switch so early, but I also know that in 1 1/2 quarters of play, Ramsey was intercepted once and fumbled twice (one of them was recovered and the other wasn't really his fault since he got clotheslined). Sure he can move the offense, but his decision making was very questionable. Although I'd be inclined to give him another chance, I don't want to risk it against Dallas next week. Brunell wasn't spectacular, but he did well overall considering that most of his reps were probably with backups in the practices. Give him time and he should develop chemistry with the starting receivers. I'd be lying if I didn't admit that the sudden switch scares me, but I'm not about to criticize Gibbs when I don't attend practices and team meetings and see stuff behind the scenes.

[jermus22]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Ok, first and foremost, I am a Redskin fan, so I will root for them no matter who is starting and who is on the team. I also have faith in Joe Gibbs and his coaching staff.

I have always been a big Ramsey supporter, but he just does not seem to be able to improve his accuracy and stop turning the ball over. So I agree with Gibbs's decision. Brunell was good in preseason and yes it was against back-ups, but the last time I checked, QB accuracy and poise doesn't have anything to do with who the players on the defense are. He showed it big-time, and Ramsey, not as much...in year four, he still looks too much like a work-in-progress. I am disappointed that Patrick wasn't given more of a shot, but I agree that Brunell gives the Redskins the best chance to win now. Last year he was injured, and Gibbs should have pulled him earlier, at the very least to let him get healthy, but that is over with. Players (and teams) have bad years that they bounce back from. It happens every year. Hopefully Brunell, and the Redskins, can be one of those stories this year. I think they will.

As for the offense, it is better than last year overall. It is year two in the system and they have made adjustments to better fit the players they have. The line is vastly improved with Rabach and Jansen (even with no thumbs!). Portis has put on almost 20 lbs. to handle the load and seems determined to carry this offense. The new receivers have the speed and ability to get downfield, AND to get RAC yards after the 5-15 yard passes that Lav and Rod just couldn't get last year. Pretty much everyone agrees that Cooley will definitely improve on his very good rookie year (even the Skins-hating experts). So even if Brunell sucks just like last year, the rest of this team has the ability to overcome it....but I don't think he will.

It seems to me that Gibbs wants someone that can effectively run the offense for a year or two until he can get Campbell up to speed, and it appears the Brunell is more qualified and in a better position, career-wise, to do that. I wish Ramsey all the luck in the world, but it seems that his days as a Redskin are numbered, whether it is a trade this season, or being traded or released next offseason. By the way, remember that it was said that Snyder was very high on Ramsey and he was his pick? Who's in control now???

Hail to the Redskins!!!

SkinsRock, I wish you wrote for the Washington Times or Post. You couldn't have said it better.

[Hog1]

I read a post yesterday referring to the current situation with the QB's. The author made a statement to the effect of "Coach Gibbs knows more than most of us on the Warpath". I have read a lot of BS over the past 24 hours (and enjoyed it). I have a shocker-NOBODY ON ANY MESSAGE BOARD IS QUALIFIED TO BE THE COACH (or we would be doing it). This may come as a shock to the author and all us second guessing Gibb's. There are REAL reasons he is making these moves, that are not motivated by self-serving, or personal reasons. It is based purely on performance, or who he believes can achieve the best performance. You may be asking yourself, "what gives that old man the right"? THREE RINGS-Oh yea of little faith!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BigSKINBauer]

I haven't talked much on this issue. But here it is, i hate this decision so early but i will give Brunell one week and asit would be this is Dallas week, gibbs gets a get out of jail free till tuesday morning, I can't say brunell is gonna be bad because nothing in the preseason shows that he will be bad. I can't say that he will be good because nothing from last year says he will be good, i need to see on Monday, it is very possible that brunell does good and portis runs on that 3-4 and we pick up a win. I don't know why we have given up. Ramsey wasn't the best player on the team, I wanted him to be but Brunell earned this job in gibbs' eyes and i am not blindly following gibbs, I am trusting him because he sees the players, he saw ramsey more than those 20 minutes on Sunday, he knows what is going on. I am not gonna follow gibbs but i will trust him until i know he is wrong. I know hindsight is 20/20 but i have to see Brunell start just one more time till i say this is the worst decision that we made this year

This is officially dallas week, this week can tell us whether we should give up all hope or if we should be looking toward the sky. It is Dallas Week and the most important week of the year.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by illdefined

Gibbs absorbed 10 games worth of mistakes, as long as they were from Mark.

Right on. Somehow the same "standards" that one poster said Ramsey failed to meet don't apply to Brunell. Somehow, the same short leash that Ramsey has been on since Gibbs came back don't apply to Brunell either.

For the life of me, I don't understand what Gibbs sees in Brunell (what has MB actually done to make us a success?) that justifies his continued confidence in him. Then again, who in their right mind could justify a $42M contract for Brunell?

Why does Brunell get to mess up through 9 games and Ramsey gets only 1 quarter?

None of this makes any sense.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I read a post yesterday referring to the current situation with the QB's. The author made a statement to the effect of "Coach Gibbs knows more than most of us on the Warpath". I have read a lot of BS over the past 24 hours (and enjoyed it). I have a shocker-NOBODY ON ANY MESSAGE BOARD IS QUALIFIED TO BE THE COACH (or we would be doing it). This may come as a shock to the author and all us second guessing Gibb's. There are REAL reasons he is making these moves, that are not motivated by self-serving, or personal reasons. It is based purely on performance, or who he believes can achieve the best performance. You may be asking yourself, "what gives that old man the right"? THREE RINGS-Oh yea of little faith!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And for how long are we supposed to give Coach a "bye" based on those 3 rings?

I don't for one minute think that Gibbs made this choice based on anything close to personal or self-serving reasons. I believe he is not that type of man or coach. However, I do think he is dead wrong with what he's done and this team will pay the price for his decision this season.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by LadyT

And for how long are we supposed to give Coach a "bye" based on those 3 rings?.

Until he stops coaching.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by LadyT

None of this makes any sense.

Possibly because you are not privvy to the information and knowledge that Coach Gibbs and staff have.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Possibly because you are not privvy to the information and knowledge that Coach Gibbs and staff have.

we all saw what happened on the field last season. and we've all seen how little preseason success applies to the regular season.