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[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

And we also have the money to do it.


I trust Bruce a hell of a lot more than Vinny with Dan's money.

Man, the Facebook comments on that ESPN article were painful to read. First one..."RGIII is a bust!"

Yeah he's a bust alright.... Idiots

[MTK]

Gruden: "It's a 16-game grind. You don't want him getting hit 15, 20 times a game on read options. You have to keep your stars healthy."

"I don't anticipate running a lot of read option," he said. "I think if you use it three or four times a game, you'll have more success than if you try to feature your whole offense around it. It's not just tough on the quarterback taking hits, it's tough on the tackles with their aiming points, where are they going. It's something you have to practice a lot to get very good at."

"My goal in training camp is to see how much he can develop as a drop-back passer."

Jay Gruden wants RGIII to succeed in the pocket. | SportsonEarth.com : Dan Pompei Article

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Gruden: "It's a 16-game grind. You don't want him getting hit 15, 20 times a game on read options. You have to keep your stars healthy."

"I don't anticipate running a lot of read option," he said. "I think if you use it three or four times a game, you'll have more success than if you try to feature your whole offense around it. It's not just tough on the quarterback taking hits, it's tough on the tackles with their aiming points, where are they going. It's something you have to practice a lot to get very good at."

"My goal in training camp is to see how much he can develop as a drop-back passer."

Jay Gruden wants RGIII to succeed in the pocket. | SportsonEarth.com : Dan Pompei Article

I think part of the confusion is that he told King that he'd be foolish to turn RG3 into a 'pocket passer' but then told Pompeii that he needs to develop him as a 'drop back passer'. Those are two different skills.

I got from it that he wants to develop the 'drop back' skillset, proper footwork, reading defenses, going thru progressions, etc. but not turn him into a 'pocket' passer standing there patting the ball while the play develops.

I don't think he will be calling many QB runs or read option plays at all.

[DynamiteRave]

I don't think RG3 is cut out to be a purely pocket passer. I think we need to almost completely ditch the RO, but keep bootlegs and rollouts, which still showcases RG3's running ability if need be.

There are pocket passers, balanced and scramblers. If RG3 doesn't want to be a scrambler, he needs to be a balanced guy.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I don't think RG3 is cut out to be a purely pocket passer. I think we need to almost completely ditch the RO, but keep bootlegs and rollouts, which still showcases RG3's running ability if need be.

There are pocket passers, balanced and scramblers. If RG3 doesn't want to be a scrambler, he needs to be a balanced guy.

Would you say that Aaron Rodgers is "balanced"? I think that Rodgers is a good model for Gryphon's development.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Would you say that Aaron Rodgers is "balanced"? I think that Rodgers is a good model for Gryphon's development.

I think most QBs are balanced.. The only purely pocket passers in the league (guys you want to throw first and run last) I think are:

Peyton
Brady
Worthlisberger
Flacco

Maybe others to be added.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think most QBs are balanced.. The only purely pocket passers in the league (guys you want to throw first and run last) I think are:

Peyton
Brady
Worthlisberger
Flacco

Maybe others to be added.

Brees
Rivers
Palmer
M. Ryan

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Brees
Rivers
Palmer
M. Ryan

Carson Palmer threw for 4200 yards and ran for 3 last year.

Matthew Stafford doesn't have to run, just throw to Calvin.

Bradford would get hurt if he tried to run.

Eli Manning ran for 36 yards last year. Romo, despite always running for his life all year, only managed 38 rushing yards total...he runs backwards most of the time.

Can we count Schaub and Gabbert as starting QBs any more? They do not run.


There are still more statues playing QB than we thought.

[Ruhskins]

Honestly, people need to chill the f*ck out about what is going on this offseason. Jay Gruden is hiring people from his network, just like every other NFL HC does. Bruce Allen is doing the same with the front office. It happens all the time in the NFL and most of the time outside the NFL.

Allen has been a competent GM in his career and so far I'm fine with most of the things he has done with the team. He's not Vinny Cerrator or Jerry Jones. The fanbase b*tched 24/7 about how we didn't have a true GM or we didn't have football people running the team. Well, we now have both (we even had that during MS tenure here).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Honestly, people need to chill the f*ck out about what is going on this offseason. Jay Gruden is hiring people from his network, just like every other NFL HC does. Bruce Allen is doing the same with the front office. It happens all the time in the NFL and most of the time outside the NFL.

Allen has been a competent GM in his career and so far I'm fine with most of the things he has done with the team. He's not Vinny Cerrator or Jerry Jones. The fanbase b*tched 24/7 about how we didn't have a true GM or we didn't have football people running the team. Well, we now have both (we even had that during MS tenure here).

Its the offseason, you know how we roll. Waiting on: Haynesworth thread, "Trade RG3 for 10 draft picks" thread, etc.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Its the offseason, you know how we roll. Waiting on: Haynesworth thread, "Trade RG3 for 10 draft picks" thread, etc.

I expect pointless threads. It's just hearing this over and over again is getting old:

"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden is Zorn 2.0!"
"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden is hiring people he knows!"
"Waaaaaaaaaa! Bruce Allen is hiring everyone from Tampa!"
"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden just said something that must mean everything is going to hell!"

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I expect pointless threads. It's just hearing this over and over again is getting old:

"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden is hiring people he knows!"
"Waaaaaaaaaa! Bruce Allen is hiring everyone from Tampa!"
"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden just said something that must mean everything is going to hell!"

It really amazes me people are hung up on this stuff. Look around at every coaching staff and front office and tell me this isn't par for the course. Look at the staff that just left here FFS. Shanny had "his guys" all over the place including his son. Gibbs 2.0 also included a bunch of his former coaches.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It really amazes me people are hung up on this stuff. Look around at every coaching staff and front office and tell me this isn't par for the course. Look at the staff that just left here FFS. Shanny had "his guys" all over the place including his son. Gibbs 2.0 also included a bunch of his former coaches.

Honestly, I'm shocked we didn't have this times a thousand when Gibbs was hired considering how long both he AND his assistants had been out of the game.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I expect pointless threads. It's just hearing this over and over again is getting old:

"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden is Zorn 2.0!"
"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden is hiring people he knows!"
"Waaaaaaaaaa! Bruce Allen is hiring everyone from Tampa!"
"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden just said something that must mean everything is going to hell!"

You forgot:

"Waaaaaaaaaaaa! Redskins fans are voicing their displeasure again!"


Nothing worse than bitching about the bitchers.

For the record. I like Jay Gruden and I don't mind he's hiring people he knows. My only qualm here is two things. (maybe three)

1) Jim Haslett still DC
2) Bringing in Doug Williams. Nothing about his career says otherwise.
3) Bruce Allen making personnel decisions. (this is if he overrides our personnel guys)

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You forgot:

"Waaaaaaaaaaaa! Redskins fans are voicing their displeasure again!"


Nothing worse than bitching about the bitchers.

For the record. I like Jay Gruden and I don't mind he's hiring people he knows. My only qualm here is two things. (maybe three)

1) Jim Haslett still DC
2) Bringing in Doug Williams. Nothing about his career says otherwise.
3) Bruce Allen making personnel decisions. (this is if he overrides our personnel guys)

6 years in the Bucs front office doesn't 'say otherwise'? Director of Pro Scouting doesn't 'say otherwise'?