What is RG3 worth to us?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

We could get a gold mine for a team wanting to trade up. Shanahan has proved that you can plug in any RB in his system and they be productive. This is a QB driven league now. If our guy is off the board and Richardson is still up there, I would love to be able to trade down for a team wanting him.

If someone's going to trade a crap load of picks to trade up for Richardson, they actually have to 1) love Richardson, and 2) believe enough teams love Richardson enough where he won't make it where they pick.

And despite being the best available player after the top five, there's people who truly believe that when it comes down to it, Richardson is going to make it all the way to no. 17 when the Bengals pick.

If that's even a remotely accurate assessment of the situation, the Redskins won't be able to get anything for Richardson at no. 6, because any team that wants him can also go to 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, or 13 to get him.

The Redskins should take him though if he's the top offensive playmaker on their board, position be damned. Still, if they trade up to third, none of this is an issue because they can grab Griffin (in all likelihood) or Blackmon/Kalil in a worst case.

[skinsfaninok]

The Portis-Bailey trade was horrible for us, I said it when it happened.. You just don't trade a True Shutdown Corner for a RB

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

We could get a gold mine for a team wanting to trade up. Shanahan has proved that you can plug in any RB in his system and they be productive. This is a QB driven league now. If our guy is off the board and Richardson is still up there, I would love to be able to trade down for a team wanting him.

He will be there but if you can't trade down I say draft him of course he's plan C but out of all the guys we are linked to skill position wise: Blackmon, Claiborne, RGIII, Richardson. He's the only one I see being there in every scenario.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The Portis-Bailey trade was horrible for us, I said it when it happened.. You just don't trade a True Shutdown Corner for a RB

The 2nd rounder attached to it made it worse but what does that have to do with anything??

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

He will be there but if you can't trade down I say draft him of course he's plan C but out of all the guys we are linked to skill position wise: Blackmon, Claiborne, RGIII, Richardson. He's the only one I see being there in every scenario.

I don't think Shanny can survive if he did such a thing, and looking at his drafting history, I don't expect him to draft a RB at that spot. I think he would go QB/CB/OL/WR before he went with RB, regardless of how good that RB rated.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

NC, what if we drafted Trent Richardson in the first round, then used our 2nd rounder on Nick Foles and somehow acquired an additional 2nd rounder and drafted Mohamed Sanu or Dwight Jones. Would you still be upset???

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

The 2nd rounder attached to it made it worse but what does that have to do with anything??

just talking about trades lol

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

NC, what if we drafted Trent Richardson in the first round, then used our 2nd rounder on Nick Foles and somehow acquired an additional 2nd rounder and drafted Mohamed Sanu or Dwight Jones. Would you still be upset???

I would never make it to the 2nd round because I would have already slit my wrists once he drafted Richardson.


RBs are a dime a dozen in the NFL these days. I really don't think a RB is warranted in the top 10 these days since many squads like the two back running systems. I would rather them go OL over RB at the #6. It would be different if I didn't think Helu and Royster could produce.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

That is, unless Joe Gibbs is running your team.

Scout.com: Draft Trade: Why?



God it's moves like this that made me hate Gibbs 2.0

Doing it before draft day did make it questionable, otherwise I always liked that trade. Of course, we know now that JC is not on par w/A. Rodgers & maybe not even Alex Smith (though until this year his career was not much different than Smith's).

That said, since they thought JC was the qb of the future, giving up a 3rd & 4th wasn't that high a price. It was actually the most forward thinking moves of Gibbs 2. In other trades we gave up too much for questionable return. When drafting a qb, it was worth making the move he did. If JC was still our QB & we were winning like Alex Smith is now, we'd call that trade a great move.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I don't think Shanny can survive if he did such a thing, and looking at his drafting history, I don't expect him to draft a RB at that spot. I think he would go QB/CB/OL/WR before he went with RB, regardless of how good that RB rated.

I know but I see the draft going like this right now:

Colts- Luck
Rams- Blackmon
Vikings- Kalil
Browns- RGIII
Bucs- Claiborne
Redskins- Richardson?, Martin?, (doubt it), Kirkpatrick?, (not likely)

From a playmaking standpoint he makes sense from a need standpoint not so much.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I would never make it to the 2nd round because I would have already slit my wrists once he drafted Richardson.


RBs are a dime a dozen in the NFL these days. I really don't think a RB is warranted in the top 10 these days since many squads like the two back running systems. I would rather them go OL over RB at the #6. It would be different if I didn't think Helu and Royster could produce.

True but he is the best RB prospect since AP, and while he is NOT my first choice I wouldn't be too pissed if we got him.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well to be clear, a trade wouldn't happen between Miami and Cleveland before draft day, when the Browns are on the clock. Just starting the conversation now

Understood, I'm just pointing out that it should be fairly obvious that the skins & other teams will likely covet the Rams pick if interest in RGIII is as high as expected. I only see a Cleveland/Miami trade going down if the Rams keep their pick.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Understood, I'm just pointing out that it should be fairly obvious that the skins & other teams will likely covet the Rams pick if interest in RGIII is as high as expected. I only see a Cleveland/Miami trade going down if the Rams keep their pick.

I don't think the Rams are going to receive a real serious offer for the no. 2 pick that comes from any organization besides the Redskins. For every pick that Griffin slides, I think the realistic offers for his services will get hotter and hotter.

Right now, I think its safe to say he's coming off the board at 3rd or 4th. That could change, and it's impossible to say who will pull the trigger to make the pick, but when was the last time someone traded for a top two pick? 2001? That was 11 years ago.

Eli Manning was traded in 2004, but that's only a relevant comparison if the Rams are ready to pull the trigger on Griffin to really reap the benefits of a trade. And that's the scenario that would throw everything I believe off: the Rams taking Robert Griffin and then either shopping him or Bradford. But if the Rams aren't going to flirt with the idea of picking Griffin, then they'll never get close to a deal for the second pick.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I know but I see the draft going like this right now:

Colts- Luck
Rams- Blackmon
Vikings- Kalil
Browns- RGIII
Bucs- Claiborne
Redskins- Richardson?, Martin?, (doubt it), Kirkpatrick?, (not likely)

From a playmaking standpoint he makes sense from a need standpoint not so much.

Playmaking is the need, right.

Richardson would bring it in an unconventional form, but I would apply 'beggars can't be choosers' here.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't think the Rams are going to receive a real serious offer for the no. 2 pick that comes from any organization besides the Redskins. For every pick that Griffin slides, I think the realistic offers for his services will get hotter and hotter.

Right now, I think its safe to say he's coming off the board at 3rd or 4th. That could change, and it's impossible to say who will pull the trigger to make the pick, but when was the last time someone traded for a top two pick? 2001? That was 11 years ago.

Eli Manning was traded in 2004, but that's only a relevant comparison if the Rams are ready to pull the trigger on Griffin to really reap the benefits of a trade. And that's the scenario that would throw everything I believe off: the Rams taking Robert Griffin and then either shopping him or Bradford. But if the Rams aren't going to flirt with the idea of picking Griffin, then they'll never get close to a deal for the second pick.

1) 11 years ago & under a different cba, the new rookie scale is much more cap friendly for teams to get top 10 picks

2) I'm looking at it the other way around, the Rams hold the clear shot at getting RGIII regardless of whether they want him. If you are the Browns, Redskins, Fins, etc. & you want him, you need to trade up to get him. If in fact the redskins make an offer to the rams or any other teams, that starts the bidding once word gets out to other teams. The skins will have reason to make an offer if they believe Miami or other teams are trying to trade to #4 & vice versa.

I don't think the Rams will have to even flirt w/the idea of taking RGIII, they just have to flirt w/the idea that they will trade the pick to a team that will.