2012 Draft-QB Prospects (Part III)

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Wait a minute. I stayed in school and got my degree. Heck, I even got my graduate degree...and I'm hardly set for life

Me too!!

[SkinzWin]

Last week I projected how the schedule would pan out for us and our draft prospects. Here is an update....

Indianapolis Colts 1-13
New England - Loss (L)
@Baltimore - Loss (L)
Tennessee - Loss (W)
Houston - Loss
@Jacksonville - Loss

Minnesota Vikings 2-12
Denver - Loss (L)
@Detroit - Loss (L)
New Orleans - Loss (L)
@Washington - Loss
Chicago - Loss

St. Louis Rams 2-12
San Francisco - Loss (L)
@Seattle - Loss (L)
Cincinnati - Loss (L)
@Pittsburgh - Loss
San Francisco - Loss

Carolina Panthers 6-8
@Tampa Bay - Loss (W)
Atlanta - Win (L)
@Houston - Loss (W)
Tampa Bay - Win
@New Orleans - Loss

Miami Dolphins 5-9
Oakland - Loss (W)
Philadelphia - Win (L)
@Buffalo - Win (W)
@New England - Loss
New York Jets - Loss

Jacksonville Jaguars 4-10
San Diego - Win (L)
Tampa Bay - Loss (W)
@Atlanta - Loss (L)
@Tennessee - Loss
Indianapolis - Win

Washington Redskins 5-9
New York Jets - Loss (L)
New England - Loss (L)
@New York Giants - Loss (W)
Minnesota - Win
@Philadelphia - Loss

2012 Projected Draft Order **Note: Draft order subject to change**
1. Indianapolis Colts 1-16
2. St. Louis Rams 2-14
3. Minnesota Vikings 2-14
4. Cleveland Browns 4-12
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-12
6. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11
7. Miami Dolphins 5-11
8. Kansas City Chiefs 6-10
9. Washington Redskins 6-10
10. Carolina Panthers 6-10

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Last week I projected how the schedule would pan out for us and our draft prospects. Here is an update....

Indianapolis Colts 1-13
New England - Loss (L)
@Baltimore - Loss (L)
Tennessee - Loss (W)
Houston - Loss
@Jacksonville - Loss

Minnesota Vikings 2-12
Denver - Loss (L)
@Detroit - Loss (L)
New Orleans - Loss (L)
@Washington - Loss
Chicago - Loss

St. Louis Rams 2-12
San Francisco - Loss (L)
@Seattle - Loss (L)
Cincinnati - Loss (L)
@Pittsburgh - Loss
San Francisco - Loss

Carolina Panthers 6-8
@Tampa Bay - Loss (W)
Atlanta - Win (L)
@Houston - Loss (W)
Tampa Bay - Win
@New Orleans - Loss

Miami Dolphins 5-9
Oakland - Loss (W)
Philadelphia - Win (L)
@Buffalo - Win (W)
@New England - Loss
New York Jets - Loss

Jacksonville Jaguars 4-10
San Diego - Win (L)
Tampa Bay - Loss (W)
@Atlanta - Loss (L)
@Tennessee - Loss
Indianapolis - Win

Washington Redskins 5-9
New York Jets - Loss (L)
New England - Loss (L)
@New York Giants - Loss (W)
Minnesota - Win
@Philadelphia - Loss

2012 Projected Draft Order **Note: Draft order subject to change**
1. Indianapolis Colts 1-16
2. St. Louis Rams 2-14
3. Minnesota Vikings 2-14
4. Cleveland Browns 4-12
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-12
6. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11
7. Miami Dolphins 5-11
8. Kansas City Chiefs 6-10
9. Washington Redskins 6-10
10. Carolina Panthers 6-10

Actually I say Indy goes 2-14 w STL, so I think the Rams would actually get the 1st pick right?

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Actually I say Indy goes 2-14 w STL, so I think the Rams would actually get the 1st pick right?

Do tied records go by head-to-head or strength of schedule? If it is head-to-head it would most definitely be St. Louis if that were to happen. But if it is S.O.S. then whoever has the lower strength would go first regardless of the heads up outcome.

[SkinItup]

It's done by strength of schedule.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I mean looking at the entire draft we need a QB worse than any other team picking in the top 10 (assuming Manning plays another couple/few years), if anyone should be trading up to get one of the top talents it should be us.

If anyone should be trading up, it should be us. But I don't know if anyone should be trading up, unless the Colts would be willing to deal for Luck. There really is no sure thing in the draft, and many of the smarter organizations (Pats, Steelers) therefore rarely trade up, especially in the first found.

If the Skins fall to 10th in the draft, they should draft Jones and sign Matt Flynn. Flynn is a free agent at the end of the year; he won a national championship in college, has tutored under Aaron Rodgers for four years, and would come pretty cheap. It would be smart to take a chance on him and have a top ten draft pick to back him up.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I dont see where some of u guys are coming up w these QB scenarios?? Lol rams trading Sam? No chance
Vikings trading ponder after half a season?? No chance and no to colt McCoy he sucks, small and avg arm, I'd rathe have Sanchez. As For Landry jones, I hope he stays at OU he needs it. I want Barkley or Luck obviously that's prob not gonna happen so RG or Tannenhill seems more likely

That's what I can't figure out either? No way the Rams trade Bradford, because the QB position is not the problem in St. Louis. I would probably say the same thing for Minnesota. If anything, those two teams trade down. From what it looks like to me, the teams who are truly in search for a QB in the draft would of course be the Redskins, the Colts, possibly the Chiefs, and MAYBE Miami. Although I think Matt Moore has done a pretty decent job in Miami, so you can essentially cut them from the list of teams wanting to draft a QB. Yes, Cleveland, Minnesota, and St. Louis have had rough seasons, but they all have young QBs who are either rookies, or still in development (Sam Bradford) so I honestly can't see everything of them drafting another QB.

This is probably the only time I'd be willing to go along with the Redskins giving up some valuable picks to land the quarterback they want. Then again, I'm not quite sold on that idea, but with the way the rookie QBs have been in the past couple of drafts, I'm feeling more confident that those top QB draftees are the real deal. Certainly I don't think it's a stretch for the Redskins to land RG III or Barkley. I think they'd have to do some very strong willing and dealing to land Luck.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

No chance and no to colt McCoy he sucks, small and avg arm, I'd rathe have Sanchez.

If you think Colt McCoy sucks then why doesn't Sam Bradford suck too?

And why would you want Sanchez?

I don't follow.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Last week I projected how the schedule would pan out for us and our draft prospects. Here is an update....

2012 Projected Draft Order **Note: Draft order subject to change**
1. Indianapolis Colts 1-16
2. St. Louis Rams 2-14
3. Minnesota Vikings 2-14
4. Cleveland Browns 4-12
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-12
6. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11
7. Miami Dolphins 5-11
8. Kansas City Chiefs 6-10
9. Washington Redskins 6-10
10. Carolina Panthers 6-10

If this is how the final draft order pans out then I think we may be shut out from getting one of the top three QB's. First of all, the Colts will take Luck. Secondly, I don't have much confidence that that the Skins would be willing to pay the price to trade up to either the second or the third spot or that either St. Louis or Minnesota would trade out of those spots. Both of those teams could use either Blackmon or Kalil. Lastly, I can't imagine Barkley and RGIII lasting past Cleveland, Jacksonville, Miami, and KC.

[T.O.Killa]

Ok, I found a link that confirms that the only way that Luck fall from the Colts is if they loose out, they win the tie breakers. Here is a link that shows strength of schedule, the top 12 tems. Redskins included.

NFL Draft Derby: Colts’ win means Andrew Luck is suddenly back in play for Miami Dolphins | The Daily Dolphin

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 30gut

If you think Colt McCoy sucks then why doesn't Sam Bradford suck too?

And why would you want Sanchez?

I don't follow.

Sam Bradford has all the tools to become a great NFL QB, Colt may not suck (I hate texas lol) But he's small and has an avg arm on top of that he isn't very accurate, Bradford had a good rookie year but that team is just trash around him just wait until he actually gets some help. As for Sanchez I just see too much Rex Grossman in him, makes very poor decisions in to many games and always holds on to the ball way too long in the pocket. NTM his career numbers are very very AVG with a lot of talent around him.

SANCHEZ - 52 TDS 46 INTS 28 FUMBLES

Career rating - 74

No thanks

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Sam Bradford has all the tools to become a great NFL QB, Colt may not suck (I hate texas lol) But he's small and has an avg arm on top of that he isn't very accurate, Bradford had a good rookie year but that team is just trash around him just wait until he actually gets some help. As for Sanchez I just see too much Rex Grossman in him, makes very poor decisions in to many games and always holds on to the ball way too long in the pocket. NTM his career numbers are very very AVG with a lot of talent around him.

SANCHEZ - 52 TDS 46 INTS 28 FUMBLES

Career rating - 74

No thanks

I know a lot of you guys don't like Sanchez, I do. Put him under Kyle's tutelage and you will see a different QB, Shottenheimer is not that good a coordinator, he's overrated.

[CultBrennan59]

I wan't nothing to do with Mark sanchez. Same with McCoy. Draft a QB or get Sam Bradford.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Last week I projected how the schedule would pan out for us and our draft prospects. Here is an update....

2012 Projected Draft Order **Note: Draft order subject to change**
1. Indianapolis Colts 1-16
2. St. Louis Rams 2-14
3. Minnesota Vikings 2-14
4. Cleveland Browns 4-12
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-12
6. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11
7. Miami Dolphins 5-11
8. Kansas City Chiefs 6-10
9. Washington Redskins 6-10
10. Carolina Panthers 6-10

While this would present a 'worst case scenario' for many fans seeing that Indy, Cleveland and Miami are ahead of us in draft position, that simply would ensure we would trade up to #3 to get our guy. Really, our hope needs to be that the Rams secure the #1 pick and Indy falls down as far as #3. That will be really interesting because then Andrew Luck is still in play. Don't fully discount Bradford being available also if that's the case, especially if Spags gets fired as is rumored.

I'm not wholly convinced that Cleveland is going QB since they have a young QB and talent surrounding him so they may opt for Richardson or Blackmon instead of a QB. Miami likely will go QB but living down here, it is for the wrong reasons. They need a face of the franchise and someone to fill the void that still exists from Marino.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If things stay as they are I see something like

1. Colts-Luck
2. Rams-Blackmon
3. Vikings-Kalil
4. Dolphins (trade with Jaguars)-Barkley
5. Browns-RG III
6. Bucs-Quentin Coples
7. Bills (trade with Redskins)-Michael Floyd
8. Panthers-Morris Claiborne
9. Jaguars-Alshon Jeffery
10. Redskins-Landry Tannehill

Not happy...I want to be the one making that trade with jax to get RG3.