Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)

[MTK]

Just odd that coming out of college one of the knocks on him was his arm strength. Could have been overblown, but saying he's got a rocket arm might be overstating things as well. I'm just going off of what my buddy said who's a Dolphins fan. He said his arm strength was adequate but nothing special.

[tryfuhl]

Rich_Campbell

Shanahan: Baltimore's interest in CB Doug Dutch after Domonique Foxworth's injury sparked yesterday's trade.

[CRedskinsRule]

^^^ it just seems like this was a simple move, no harm done, and builds a relationship.

[tryfuhl]

basically.. better to get something for Dutch than just cutting him

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Just odd that coming out of college one of the knocks on him was his arm strength. Could have been overblown, but saying he's got a rocket arm might be overstating things as well. I'm just going off of what my buddy said who's a Dolphins fan. He said his arm strength was adequate but nothing special.

Also consider that if he was a 26 year old throwing at the combine with 21 and 22 year olds, you'd expect the 26 year old guy to have a fully developed arm, while the 21 and 22 year olds would have mostly developed arms. So the 26 year old could light up the gun at the combine, but at this point, might have the 8th or 9th best arm in the class.

[BYUClark]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Obviously you are a Beck fan, given that you joined a Redskins board one day after he joined the team.

I make no bones about that, my friend. As is obvious by my username. ;-)

I've been following Beck's career closely, as I do all BYU players.

For all the gunslinging people attribute to BYU's offense, it's interesting to note that as far as ratio, and I remember specifically from Beck's Sr year, they run about a 51:49 ratio of pass to run. It's not quite as "pass happy" as people make them out to be. Common misconception. They aren't like Texas Tech, which runs a more 70:30 pass:run ratio.

I wish Beck the best in Washington. He's gotten a lot of crap for Miami, and it would be unfortunate to have that follow him his whole career. He's a fantastic character guy with a HUGE football IQ.

It was mentioned that there haven't been a lot of BYU QB's in the NFL make it super successfully. Forgotten are the Gifford Neilson's and Marc Wilsons of the world, of course. But yes, in recent history there've been a lack of them. I've always loved Beck because he's been the most capable that I've seen for a long time. He just needs his shot.

With Washington, it's the perfect situation. An injury-prone older starter in McNabb. A questionable back-up in Grossman. If Beck wins the 2nd position (which I strongly believe he can), it will be awesome to see him play again.

On another note, people forgot that even when Beck started for Miami (the team was 0-8 before they threw him to the wolves after running the Scout team), he played Pitt in one of the worst conditions ever seen. The Steelers won the game 0-3, but people forget that Beck actually outperformed Rothlesberger statistically. Ben was pulled out, due to playing so badly.

Yes. I'm a Beck homer, if only because I know what he's capable of. I hope you all get a chance to see it (the Positive stuff, that is). I'd like to see the conundrum which was Miami be brought to rest in his future.

[BYUClark]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Also consider that if he was a 26 year old throwing at the combine with 21 and 22 year olds, you'd expect the 26 year old guy to have a fully developed arm, while the 21 and 22 year olds would have mostly developed arms. So the 26 year old could light up the gun at the combine, but at this point, might have the 8th or 9th best arm in the class.

While this is true, consider that he was 2 years gone on an LDS mission. You're not throwing footballs around and working on your skills while serving. And also consider that when he got back, he had to get back into football shape.

Anyone would agree that continuity is much easier to manage with an athlete than the unique situation LDS mission-bound athletes go thru. Sure, they mature a couple years, but that doesn't mean their bodies come back ready to play. Some never do.

All that being said, I'd say age is a wash in this case. But that's my opinion.

And another thing. Serving a 2 year mission doesn't make you 4 years older than the competition. It would be +2.

[BYUClark]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Welcome to the board man.

Thanks for the welcome.

[Dirtbag59]

Praise for Beck
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John Beck | Redskins TopEmail

We wrote Monday following the Washington Redskins' trade for John Beck about the possibilities for the Skins' opening day QB depth chart. If the team chooses to keep three quarterbacks, then Beck figures to fit in alongside another offseason acquisition in Rex Grossman. If the Skins only keep two QBs however, then Beck and Grossman will be battling it out this preseason to be Donovan McNabb's backup.

The early comments from the coaching staff seem to be positive for Beck. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan says, via CSNWashington.com, "We evaluated [Beck's four starts with Miami], and he did play like a rookie, but he definitely didn't show anything that said he couldn't play in the NFL." Mike Shanahan added that he liked Beck's play in college, and that he's excited to see him first-hand. These votes of confidence, coupled with rumblings that Grossman has been less-than-impressive this offseason, could shift the advantage slightly in Beck's direction.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BYUClark

While this is true, consider that he was 2 years gone on an LDS mission. You're not throwing footballs around and working on your skills while serving. And also consider that when he got back, he had to get back into football shape.

Anyone would agree that continuity is much easier to manage with an athlete than the unique situation LDS mission-bound athletes go thru. Sure, they mature a couple years, but that doesn't mean their bodies come back ready to play. Some never do.

All that being said, I'd say age is a wash in this case. But that's my opinion.

And another thing. Serving a 2 year mission doesn't make you 4 years older than the competition. It would be +2.

You'd be correct that 2 years spent elsewhere doesn't make you four years older than the competition. But he was 25.5 years old during the 2007 scouting combine, and most of the amateur draft prospects are between 21 and 22.5 years old at the same combine, which is a significant difference.

As for where the difference between two and four come in, an August birthday is pretty advanced in the context of a high school graduating class (i.e. most classmates are younger, some by half a year or more), and he took a redshirt year in 2000 before going on a two year mission.

John Beck played four consecutive seasons at BYU from 2003-2006 after concluding a two year mission. Surely, you're not implying the Beck wasn't in football shape in Feb. 2007 because he spent 24 months between 2001 and 2003 on things more important than football? That timeline seems to undermine what you're trying to say about his college performance, given the unique circumstances.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by mooby

Calm down Gus, just put your highlight package on Youtube and maybe you'll get invited to some training camp somewhere. It's not happening in Washington though.

Mooby I am being funny here. Over reacting is one of my many trademarks. But getting Gus for the #3 really wouldn't be that bad of a move. You really would only have to sign him to a one year deal, then in 2011 you draft a QB to replace him.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Mooby I am being funny here. Over reacting is one of my many trademarks. But getting Gus for the #3 really wouldn't be that bad of a move. You really would only have to sign him to a one year deal, then in 2011 you draft a QB to replace him.

But what about when you hit that eventual brick wall of old age? Gus you should really start thinking about your post-football future.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Also consider that if he was a 26 year old throwing at the combine with 21 and 22 year olds, you'd expect the 26 year old guy to have a fully developed arm, while the 21 and 22 year olds would have mostly developed arms. So the 26 year old could light up the gun at the combine, but at this point, might have the 8th or 9th best arm in the class.

I don't agree with that logic.
He's 27 not 40, he's at his physical peak right now.
I don't see how it makes sense to speculate that he has less arm strength now.
(True story army buddy(29) who hasn't thrown a baseball since (in earnest) since he was 19 threw 77 mph by gun at a fair)

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Just odd that coming out of
college one of the knocks on him was his arm strength. Could have been overblown, but saying he's got a rocket arm might be overstating things as well. I'm just going off of what my buddy said who's a Dolphins fan. He said his arm strength was adequate but nothing special.

I kinda consider a radar gun test done at the combine to be factual evidence of arm strength. I'm sure you have good reason to trust your friend's opinion but for me its kinda hard to deny that Beck has a strong arm,an above average strong arm.

But that doesn't mean that he'll be a good QB just that he has above average physical tools.
But so did Kyle Boller, JaMarcus Russell and from this draft class i'm pretty sure the kid out of Fordham and Jarrett Brown have the strongest arms.

Arm strength isn't the end all be all, that's not the point i was making.

I just wanted to bring it to light since most fans don't know much about Beck.
I thought it was a cool nugget to know about the kid.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Mooby I am being funny here. Over reacting is one of my many trademarks. But getting Gus for the #3 really wouldn't be that bad of a move. You really would only have to sign him to a one year deal, then in 2011 you draft a QB to replace him.

Gus could not be put on the practice squad. Bartel, however, could be our third QB there, keeping open an active roster spots but still giving us 3 QB's in practice.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Mooby I am being funny here. Over reacting is one of my many trademarks. But getting Gus for the #3 really wouldn't be that bad of a move. You really would only have to sign him to a one year deal, then in 2011 you draft a QB to replace him.

A one year deal for GF? then draft a qb in 2011? dude you have to be out of your freakin mind or I hope your on some good drugs and don't have a clue what your typing OR do you happen to be the real Gus....? lmao

Gus come one get on with your life. This guy is used up and over the hill, and was never anything to begin with. Not only did he make history with his head in DC not a very proud achieviement if he remembers, he did have his single PB nod in 96 as a Redskin other than that the guy has for the most part with 7 NFL teams been a career backup.

Getting Frerotte out of a retirement home to come play football for the Redskins at the #3 spot is one of the most laughable things to even consider.

Let the guy go coach High School football or sell insurance in peace. There is ZERO place in the NFL for Gus ESPECIALLY DC!