To 2021 and Beyond .... current politics

[Chico23231]

Nobody should get relief checks if they haven’t been impacted by covid. If you make the same money or more, you shouldn’t get a dime

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Nobody should get relief checks if they haven’t been impacted by covid. If you make the same money or more, you shouldn’t get a dime

What do you call "being impacted"???Please give us your wisdom?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Nobody should get relief checks if they haven’t been impacted by covid. If you make the same money or more, you shouldn’t get a dime

Still waiting chico , what do you mean "Being Impacted"???

[SunnySide]

Yeah, the 1.4k is kinda watered down truth I suppose .. but its easier to say "600 + 1,400 = 2,000" vs "600 + 1,000 = 2,000". Thats why,no matter what, at least 1.4 checks need to go out. Id say make it 600 + 2000 honestly. Weve all been impacted by this .. except the people who had savings to put in the stock market.

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I side democrats over republicans based on what I highlighted (amt of stim check, unemployment) ..what I want to know is

1. What percent of the 1.9T goes to just the stimulus checks and unemployment
2. What the hell is the other money for? bc I feel like stim checks + unemployment = less than 50% of the 1.9T package

[Chico23231]

The direct quote from Biden

https://www.businessinsider.com/bide...diately-2021-1

President-elect Joe Biden told Georgia voters on Monday that $2,000 stimulus checks would be sent out to Americans right away if the state voted for the Democratic candidates Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff in Tuesday's US Senate runoffs.

More than 3 million people voted early in the Georgia runoffs, according to the US Elections Project. The Election Day polls in Georgia close at 7 p.m. ET on Tuesday.

During his speech in Atlanta, Biden promised that if Warnock and Ossoff won the runoffs, "that money will go out the door immediately to help people who are in real trouble."

[SunnySide]

I also heard an audio quote from President Biden that said "... if we have the votes. We need the votes first."

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regardless ... im more interested in seeing what a bi-partisan package would look like vs looking back at election talk. Seems like that is just to try and detour any bi-partisan talk back into the tribal political warfare stadium. You point out a lie. I point out a lie. We keep score but play until infinity and no one wins. Im good on that.

I know .. I know ... how convenient of me.

Besides, Im having trouble getting all enraged with a President saying he wants to immediately help struggling Americans.

Why do republicans hate Americans? Why do republicans want to see Americans continue to suffer?

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chico - if you could find an article that lays out what is in the dems 1.9T package, id love to read it. Probably cant understand half of it but Id like to read it to see where this 1.9T number comes from. Perhaps Rs get a point for the Dems not laying out what is in the 1.9T package? transparency and clear messaging was one of their messages.

but it would need to be detailed or at least sourced and cited ... not some tucker carlson or hannity editorialization and general speak

[sdskinsfan2001]

I make more than 50K but less than 75K (and closer to 50 than 75).

I just completed my taxes this week, I remained full time but made way less due to no raises or overtime. Took a loss of 6K from 2019.

1200 + 600 = 1800

6000
-1800
= 4200 hole still

C'mon democrats lol!

And if Republicans think that 75K is a lot of money, I'd submit they offer a bill to reduce all republican congressional salaries to that amount. If they do that, I'll forego my 1-1.4K or give it away.

[Chico23231]

https://www.businessinsider.com/nanc...-offer-2020-12

At her weekly press conference on Friday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi defended her support of a stimulus package half the size of what the Trump administration offered in October.


Filibustered one and rejected another.

Old forgotten news I guess...

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.businessinsider.com/nanc...-offer-2020-12

At her weekly press conference on Friday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi defended her support of a stimulus package half the size of what the Trump administration offered in October.

Filibustered one and rejected another.

Old forgotten news I guess...

The problem is we're always in a race towards the bottom. Both sides act like assholes, then complain that the other side are bigger assholes, so therefore their assholes don't stink.

Where is the fucking leadership? Republicans have a chance here to move forwards and get an agreement done. Do it, so we can move forward with other legislation.

Note - Pelosi is an evil piece of shit and this was true well before COVID. Every politician should try to be the exact opposite of her.

[Chico23231]

Also some light reading pointing to fundamentals and policy in the Trump economy which made it superior to his predecessor

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...r-than-obama-s

Not only did the unemployment rate continue to fall, but the percentage of Americans aged 25 to 54 either employed or looking for a job saw its first sustained rise since the late 1980s. This inflection point changed the character of the labor market.

In 2016, real median household income was $62,898, just $257 above its level in 1999. Over the next three years it grew almost $6,000, to $68,703. That’s perhaps why, despite the pandemic, 56% of U.S. voters polled last month said their families were better off today than they were four years ago.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Also some light reading pointing to fundamentals and policy in the Trump economy which made it superior to his predecessor

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...r-than-obama-s

Not only did the unemployment rate continue to fall, but the percentage of Americans aged 25 to 54 either employed or looking for a job saw its first sustained rise since the late 1980s. This inflection point changed the character of the labor market.

In 2016, real median household income was $62,898, just $257 above its level in 1999. Over the next three years it grew almost $6,000, to $68,703. That’s perhaps why, despite the pandemic, 56% of U.S. voters polled last month said their families were better off today than they were four years ago.

If COVID never happened, Trump would definitely still be president. The economy is always the number 1 issue among most mainstream voters. China Joe definitely benefited from COVID.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

If COVID never happened, Trump would definitely still be president. The economy is always the number 1 issue among most mainstream voters. China Joe definitely benefited from COVID.

The lead has been buried...the Trump economy saved the country from a potential collapse in the face a pandemic unlike anything seen in 100 years.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Also some light reading pointing to fundamentals and policy in the Trump economy which made it superior to his predecessor

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...r-than-obama-s

Not only did the unemployment rate continue to fall, but the percentage of Americans aged 25 to 54 either employed or looking for a job saw its first sustained rise since the late 1980s. This inflection point changed the character of the labor market.

In 2016, real median household income was $62,898, just $257 above its level in 1999. Over the next three years it grew almost $6,000, to $68,703. That’s perhaps why, despite the pandemic, 56% of U.S. voters polled last month said their families were better off today than they were four years ago.

2014 median income was 58k
2016 62.8k (rate increase of 2.4k per year)
2019 68.7k (1.96k increase per year)

Yet another trend that President Obama started that Voldemort inherited. While he couldnt keep up with President Obama's pace, few could, I give him credit for not royaly screwing it up.

President Obama saved America from the recession. Good bless that man.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N

Jobs?

President Obama added 7.9 million jobs in his final 35 months vs the other guy's 6.7 in his first 35 months

Pay Increase?

A result of Counties and States already having scheduled minimum wage to increase. Example - Montgomery County passed legislation increasing minimum wage from $10.75 in 2017 to $15 by 2020.
https://www.govdocs.com/montgomery-c...mum-wage-bill/

Deficit?

3.507 Trillion total for President Obamas last 4 years

4.327 Trillion for the other guy for his only 4 years

(his last year does not include Covid, if it did, the deficit for 2020 would be 4.2T and not the 1.181T used for comparison to President Obama)

https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

2014 median income was 58k
2016 62.8k
2019 68.7k

Yet another trend that President Obama started that Voldemort inherited.

President Obama saved America from the recession. Good bless that man.

Voldemort; I'm unfamiliar with this term. But I prefer Bunker Boy.

So Trump inherited it and sustained/improved it (pre-COVID), wouldn't that deserve credit?

Revision history on Obama's presidency is the strongest force in the world.

Breakdown of the last 3 presidencies:

- Bush 2 sucked and did every wrong
- Obama was the most amazing president ever born, he fixed everything Bush did wrong, his economy was the greatest the world has ever seen, and he was so good he gets all credit for anything good that happened during Trump's presidency
- Bunker Boy is the devil incarnate, who literally did not accomplish 1 thing during his presidency

And for the next 4 years, Biden won't be held accountable for anything. It will all be blamed on Trump.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

And for the next 4 years, Biden won't be held accountable for anything. It will all be blamed on Trump.

I posted numbers and facts. You post emotions and non sequitor.