Commanders 2024 NFL Draft Thread

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by EdmundDorf

Thing is, OT are always overdrafted, especially when there is a danger of a run on the position. If they wait for value at OT they wont get one. In a perfect world they could take DeJean at 36 and trade down from 40 to select Suamaetiea (?) or Paul in the 50s. But they will probably have to take one of them at 40. They will likely also need to take one of Fischer/Rosegarten/ Amegadjie/Wallace high in the third. If you ascribe to the more picks is more chances philosophy, which is not neessarily wrong, then you need to draft multiple OT in the hope at least one will turn out to be a decent starter.
You never want to go into a draft desperate for an OT.

So they won't get one. It would be stupid to draft a player that can't contribute over a player that could.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by nonniey

So they won't get one. It would be stupid to draft a player that can't contribute over a player that could.

I disagree. Look at Penix Jr - he gets to sit and learn from a good qb and if that good qb who never got injured until last year gets injured again they will have a good rookie in there to take his place.

Not saying we should draft a DT when we already have two good players on big money deals, but I'm not gonna question Peters. You draft the guy you think has the best chance to succeed in the NFL, not the position you need the most. Look at the 2021 qb class - that class has mostly turned out to be ass and even Trevor Lawrence isn't a stud and he's the only one left with his original team.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by mooby

I disagree. Look at Penix Jr - he gets to sit and learn from a good qb and if that good qb who never got injured until last year gets injured again they will have a good rookie in there to take his place.

Not saying we should draft a DT when we already have two good players on big money deals, but I'm not gonna question Peters. You draft the guy you think has the best chance to succeed in the NFL, not the position you need the most. Look at the 2021 qb class - that class has mostly turned out to be ass and even Trevor Lawrence isn't a stud and he's the only one left with his original team.

?????? You just said you disagreed with me saying don't reach for a player and then argued to not to reach for a player? You probably need to see the post I was responding to.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mooby

I disagree. Look at Penix Jr - he gets to sit and learn from a good qb and if that good qb who never got injured until last year gets injured again they will have a good rookie in there to take his place.

Not saying we should draft a DT when we already have two good players on big money deals, but I'm not gonna question Peters. You draft the guy you think has the best chance to succeed in the NFL, not the position you need the most. Look at the 2021 qb class - that class has mostly turned out to be ass and even Trevor Lawrence isn't a stud and he's the only one left with his original team.

You learn by playing. Never bought into the sit and learn stuff. Kirk is on borrowed time.

[sdskinsfan2001]

WE NEED LADD!!! Replace Samuels in the slot.

Daniels, McLaurin, Robinson/Ekeler, McConkey, Ertz, Dotson. That's a solid fucking group.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

I would expect Cooper DeJean or Kool Aid with next pick. Maybe Keon Coleman or Junior Colson at 40.

Agree, stick to the board and if a first round graded player falls to you at 36, take him


Absolutely do not fucking reach for a tackle.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Agree, stick to the board and if a first round graded player falls to you at 36, take him


Absolutely do not fucking reach for a tackle.

Note the date - me and Chico agreed on something

I don't want a tackle if all the tackles left are graded terribly. Peters will do what he needs to do to shore the position up. Yes drafting is ideal but it doesn't always work the way you want it to.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

Note the date - me and Chico agreed on something

I don't want a tackle if all the tackles left are graded terribly. Peters will do what he needs to do to shore the position up. Yes drafting is ideal but it doesn't always work the way you want it to.

I think we agree a lot Mooby

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think we agree a lot Mooby

On certain things absolutely

[mooby]

I trust Peters - assuming we take a tackle at some point (to develop) I think he will make the necessary moves to bring in someone he trusts to hold it down for the next year at least.

I also think there's a huge disconnect from the way teams operate and the way fans think. Every year I see a lot of "we need to take OT/CB/etc with the next pick because it's such a huge need" but what if all the tackles available at our next pick have lower round grades on them? Teams operate by going off their draft board, if you can get a player with a first round value in the 2nd you take them. There is room for an upgrade everywhere on this roster so I'm not concerned about taking a player at a position we already have an established starter.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by mooby

I trust Peters - assuming we take a tackle at some point (to develop) I think he will make the necessary moves to bring in someone he trusts to hold it down for the next year at least.

I also think there's a huge disconnect from the way teams operate and the way fans think. Every year I see a lot of "we need to take OT/CB/etc with the next pick because it's such a huge need" but what if all the tackles available at our next pick have lower round grades on them? Teams operate by going off their draft board, if you can get a player with a first round value in the 2nd you take them. There is room for an upgrade everywhere on this roster so I'm not concerned about taking a player at a position we already have an established starter.

THIS.
The best players left after round 1 feeding frenzy on offense are defensive players.
We have needs on both sides of the ball and will be able to use almost any player immediately that has 1st round pedigree.
This is why I believe DeJean or Kool Aid will be picked here. Both a position of need, and ready to start. One could make a case at being the best or at least top 3 CB this year. A steal at 36.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

I trust Peters - assuming we take a tackle at some point (to develop) I think he will make the necessary moves to bring in someone he trusts to hold it down for the next year at least.

I also think there's a huge disconnect from the way teams operate and the way fans think. Every year I see a lot of "we need to take OT/CB/etc with the next pick because it's such a huge need" but what if all the tackles available at our next pick have lower round grades on them? Teams operate by going off their draft board, if you can get a player with a first round value in the 2nd you take them. There is room for an upgrade everywhere on this roster so I'm not concerned about taking a player at a position we already have an established starter.

I agree with all this.

We have 8 more picks to use for a Tackle (or two). Maybe they don't start this year, but there no guarantee trading back into the 1st round would get you anything more than what you're going to get in round 3 - unless you were planning on jumping all the way up into the top 15. I'm glad they didn't do that.

I also think it's possible they are ok with starting the season with Lucas and Wylie as the starting Tackles. I know that's not a popular scenario, but it is possible. Either way, there will be many more opportunities for them to shore up the Tackle position between today and September.

BPA moving forward.

[skinsfan69]

My concern w/ Daniels is will be hold up? And will they protect him? I don't really like Kingsberry's offense because all I saw was a wr heavy offense that didn't seem to put an emphasis on protection or a te. Never saw the QB make checks at the line. Maybe I'm wrong as I did not see a lot of Cards games. But I watched that in season Hard Knocks and just wasn't impressed. Too much college shit w/ just a clap at the line. We have simply got to protect this kid.

Otherwise to me he is a better to much better prospect than Hurts.. or Dak. Just hope they do everything they can make sure he is successful. I really want them to get a complete TE, a true Y, not a tweener which seems to be what we have been drafting.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

My concern w/ Daniels is will be hold up? And will they protect him? I don't really like Kingsberry's offense because all I saw was a wr heavy offense that didn't seem to put an emphasis on protection or a te. Never saw the QB make checks at the line. Maybe I'm wrong as I did not see a lot of Cards games. But I watched that in season Hard Knocks and just wasn't impressed. Too much college shit w/ just a clap at the line. We have simply got to protect this kid.

Otherwise to me he is a better to much better prospect than Hurts.. or Dak. Just hope they do everything they can make sure he is successful. I really want them to get a complete TE, a true Y, not a tweener which seems to be what we have been drafting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...nders-offense/

Sam Fortie wrote this article and I have it saved…here is the key part, you want your QB to progress and have success, then you put him under center.

One way to see it is on play-action fakes. Fakes from under center, known as “hard” play-action, generally force linebackers to step up to stop the run more aggressively than “soft” fakes from shotgun, which allow linebackers a split second longer to read the play, letting them stay in passing lanes longer and making the quarterback’s margin for error smaller.
In January, Fox NFL broadcaster Greg Olsen pointed out one common thread among C.J. Stroud, Jordan Love and Brock Purdy, three young quarterbacks who had success last season: Their offensive coordinators made things easier on them by putting them under center on early downs.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...nders-offense/

Sam Fortie wrote this article and I have it saved…here is the key part, you want your QB to progress and have success, then you put him under center.

One way to see it is on play-action fakes. Fakes from under center, known as “hard” play-action, generally force linebackers to step up to stop the run more aggressively than “soft” fakes from shotgun, which allow linebackers a split second longer to read the play, letting them stay in passing lanes longer and making the quarterback’s margin for error smaller.
In January, Fox NFL broadcaster Greg Olsen pointed out one common thread among C.J. Stroud, Jordan Love and Brock Purdy, three young quarterbacks who had success last season: Their offensive coordinators made things easier on them by putting them under center on early downs.

I love this post, I hope we implement it as we have a nice center now to make this work. Ironically, our line strength is the middle, which says trick the lbs with play action over their heads. This required running up the gut too. Again possible, but again opposite of Kingsbury in the past. I see a bit of a disconnect between our coaching and our free agency, particularly offense. Not having stand alone tackles who can be way outside in shotgun is going to make this whole air style impossible. I welcome the opposite of that, particularly to develop a rookie QB. What we really need is solid running with a dash of unpredictability on offense. Read and Chuck it will get a QB killed, particularly in the NFC East.