Forty whiners vs lackeymanders

skinsfan69 · 12-31-2023, 05:14 PM

I think I watched 5 or 6 plays of this game. Had the Ravens on and then took a nap. I turned on the game right when Sam threw a pick and turned it off. Looked like more garbage football.

skinsfaninok · 12-31-2023, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think I watched 5 or 6 plays of this game. Had the Ravens on and then took a nap. I turned on the game right when Sam threw a pick and turned it off. Looked like more garbage football.

He didn't play bad in the 1st half, 2nd half was rough

DynamiteRave · 12-31-2023, 08:18 PM

I’ve watched every game except this one. Today I went to brunch with my coworkers, got lit and barely thought about the Commies. It was nice.

I’ll be back to my masochism for the last game.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

CRedskinsRule · 12-31-2023, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I’ve watched every game except this one. Today I went to brunch with my coworkers, got lit and barely thought about the Commies. It was nice.

I’ll be back to my masochism for the last game.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Dallas will need the win, we will get trounced. Better to get lit and barely think about it (of course I will probably not follow my own advice)

jamf · 12-31-2023, 09:29 PM

Sam was a tease today. He made his first big boy throw to a WR beyond 40 yards. Then he shits the bed with terrible INTs.

nonniey · 12-31-2023, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamf

Sam was a tease today. He made his first big boy throw to a WR beyond 40 yards. Then he shits the bed with terrible INTs.

Sam isn't the man but those two interceptions occurred because he was hit when he threw the ball.

REDSKINS4ever · 01-01-2024, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nonniey

Sam isn't the man but those two interceptions occurred because he was hit when he threw the ball.

He was only playing in his first full season in a insanely pass happy offense with a below average offensive line.....I think Sam's the guy and the offense needs to be constructed around him so he can truly settle in.....but there's no guarantee the new GM and HC rolls with him.
.

Chief X_Phackter · 01-01-2024, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

He was only playing in his first full season in a insanely pass happy offense with a below average offensive line.....I think Sam's the guy and the offense needs to be constructed around him so he can truly settle in.....but there's no guarantee the new GM and HC rolls with him.
.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

This team probably wins 4-6 more games if not for the colossal collapse on the defensive side this year. Sam's not going anywhere, but it would be tough to pass on one of the top 2 QBs in the draft. If I were a betting man, I would bet that the new regime drafts CW, DM, or JD. Sam & one of them battle it out for QB1.

EdmundDorf · 01-01-2024, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

This team probably wins 4-6 more games if not for the colossal collapse on the defensive side this year. Sam's not going anywhere, but it would be tough to pass on one of the top 2 QBs in the draft. If I were a betting man, I would bet that the new regime drafts CW, DM, or JD. Sam & one of them battle it out for QB1.

If you are picking a QB that high there will be no battle. Howell will be the backup, but I wonder whether he will be a trade chip at the deadline if a contending team loses its QB early in the season and gets desperate.

REDSKINS4ever · 01-02-2024, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

This team probably wins 4-6 more games if not for the colossal collapse on the defensive side this year. Sam's not going anywhere, but it would be tough to pass on one of the top 2 QBs in the draft. If I were a betting man, I would bet that the new regime drafts CW, DM, or JD. Sam & one of them battle it out for QB1.

Agreed

mooby · 01-02-2024, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

This team probably wins 4-6 more games if not for the colossal collapse on the defensive side this year. Sam's not going anywhere, but it would be tough to pass on one of the top 2 QBs in the draft. If I were a betting man, I would bet that the new regime drafts CW, DM, or JD. Sam & one of them battle it out for QB1.

We're on the same page, I had the same thought. New regime drafts a new qb, he dukes it out with Sam over the summer and if by some miracle Sam gets over his issues we start Sam until the flame dies again. If new kid wins the job Sam gets a few years to ride the bench. Ideal way to start with a new staff.

AnonEmouse · 01-01-2024, 12:59 PM

I'd say it was nailed on we'll take a QB with our 1st pick. I mean, they might get a trade offer to consider, but the new guys can't be the idiots RR etc. have been in assessing value and available talent. So it would have to be a fantastic offer to give up what looks likely to be the #2 overall. And if it is a fantastic offer and they believe it means they can load up the roster in year 1 around Howell, I'm good with that too. If nothing else, what the 49ers have shown this owner first hand is how to use the draft, trades and FA wisely to build a solid roster (with just the Lance debacle as a black mark). Just like the Ravens, the organisation Harris espouses he wants to emulate. Lets hope he gets his wish.

BaltimoreSkins · 01-01-2024, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I'd say it was nailed on we'll take a QB with our 1st pick. I mean, they might get a trade offer to consider, but the new guys can't be the idiots RR etc. have been in assessing value and available talent. So it would have to be a fantastic offer to give up what looks likely to be the #2 overall. And if it is a fantastic offer and they believe it means they can load up the roster in year 1 around Howell, I'm good with that too. If nothing else, what the 49ers have shown this owner first hand is how to use the draft, trades and FA wisely to build a solid roster (with just the Lance debacle as a black mark). Just like the Ravens, the organisation Harris espouses he wants to emulate. Lets hope he gets his wish.

It is very likely that whoever will be GM does not view QB1 currently on the roster. Right now there are a lot of options including rolling with Sam and they all give me hope.
Draft a top QB prospect
If they have a willing trade partner, trade back and still get a guy you like later in the first with additional draft capitol
or trade back with a willing trade partner take a flier on a late round QB and roll the dice again as we build roster through the draft.

We could have the same record next year as we did this year but the team and season could be enjoyable to watch.

AnonEmouse · 01-01-2024, 01:19 PM

Unless it was a really good offer that would make little sense. We know Howell is capable, even if he only ever ends up a backup. He's very cheap and probably warrants extending then trading down the line when his trade value is possibly higher. And he's tough; ideal quality in a backup.

AnonEmouse · 01-03-2024, 06:28 AM

Lucas has been well rated, I'd definitely say Cosmi, Stromberg and Lucas should be retained. I'd consider Leno but only on a team friendly deal. Everyone else should be gone or, at best, fighting for a place down the depth. We need 2 tackles and a guard in FA or the draft and as Edmund says, probably a veteran centre is a good idea. Isn't Kelce an FA this spring?...

12-31-2023, 05:14 PM	#1
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,143	Re: Forty whiners vs lackeymanders I think I watched 5 or 6 plays of this game. Had the Ravens on and then took a nap. I turned on the game right when Sam threw a pick and turned it off. Looked like more garbage football.

12-31-2023, 08:18 PM	#3
DynamiteRave Living Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Age: 37 Posts: 16,866	Re: Forty whiners vs lackeymanders I’ve watched every game except this one. Today I went to brunch with my coworkers, got lit and barely thought about the Commies. It was nice. I’ll be back to my masochism for the last game. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Establishment, establishment, you always know what's best. I've been a part of this message board for 17 years. Damn I'm old.

12-31-2023, 09:29 PM	#5
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,183	Re: Forty whiners vs lackeymanders Sam was a tease today. He made his first big boy throw to a WR beyond 40 yards. Then he shits the bed with terrible INTs.

01-01-2024, 12:59 PM	#12
AnonEmouse The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Age: 58 Posts: 2,228	Re: Forty whiners vs lackeymanders I'd say it was nailed on we'll take a QB with our 1st pick. I mean, they might get a trade offer to consider, but the new guys can't be the idiots RR etc. have been in assessing value and available talent. So it would have to be a fantastic offer to give up what looks likely to be the #2 overall. And if it is a fantastic offer and they believe it means they can load up the roster in year 1 around Howell, I'm good with that too. If nothing else, what the 49ers have shown this owner first hand is how to use the draft, trades and FA wisely to build a solid roster (with just the Lance debacle as a black mark). Just like the Ravens, the organisation Harris espouses he wants to emulate. Lets hope he gets his wish.

01-01-2024, 01:19 PM	#14
AnonEmouse The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Age: 58 Posts: 2,228	Re: Forty whiners vs lackeymanders Unless it was a really good offer that would make little sense. We know Howell is capable, even if he only ever ends up a backup. He's very cheap and probably warrants extending then trading down the line when his trade value is possibly higher. And he's tough; ideal quality in a backup.

01-03-2024, 06:28 AM	#15
AnonEmouse The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Age: 58 Posts: 2,228	Re: Forty whiners vs lackeymanders Lucas has been well rated, I'd definitely say Cosmi, Stromberg and Lucas should be retained. I'd consider Leno but only on a team friendly deal. Everyone else should be gone or, at best, fighting for a place down the depth. We need 2 tackles and a guard in FA or the draft and as Edmund says, probably a veteran centre is a good idea. Isn't Kelce an FA this spring?...

Forty whiners vs lackeymanders

Locker Room Main Forum