Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

The biggest excuse for JC the past few yrs has been his changing of systems yet this whole thread is devoted to comparing him to 2 QB's who are each on a new team and in a new system. Wow.
Why waste the time and effort when its clear that he is gone after the season? IMO If Levi plays like he did yesterday that dooms JC even more because now DS and the FO can feel free to go after a bradford or another top QB in the draft instead of a top OT.
Yeah if you just look at the stats you will say he was solid but for those who saw the game they will tell you he made some plays and missed some big plays. Not what you want to see from a former 1st rounder,you expect him to make those throws.

I think the point of this thread is just to compare JC to those two other QBs that were supposed to replace him...and just that.

I don't think you are finding anyone that is saying he should be the QB of the future or that he's doing a good job or anything like that. Hell, I think at best he should be our backup next year because I don't trust Brennan as a backup.

I'm sure people like you would love for him to have terrible stats to feel better about your criticism...but just be content with the fact that Campbell will not be the starting QB of the Redskins in 2010 and that just about everyone agrees, ok?

[redsk1]

This boat has sailed. JC doesn't pass the eye test. Is this guy a good qb? No. You can watch and see it. He missed on alot yesterday. DT has a TD is the ball is there. SM has a touchdown if the ball is there. Sure, JC had some decent throws yesterday. He made some plays w/ his feet. I'm happy, but JC isn't the long term answer. Did you see Kyle Orton miss any TD's yesterday? Kyle Orton...maybe not even a top 20 NFL qb? Did he miss any throws?

Cutler had a tremendous year last year for being so young. Sanchez is a rookie so the jury is still out.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by redsk1

This boat has sailed. JC doesn't pass the eye test. Is this guy a good qb? No. You can watch and see it. He missed on alot yesterday. DT has a TD is the ball is there. SM has a touchdown if the ball is there. Sure, JC had some decent throws yesterday. He made some plays w/ his feet. I'm happy, but JC isn't the long term answer. Did you see Kyle Orton miss any TD's yesterday? Kyle Orton...maybe not even a top 20 NFL qb? Did he miss any throws?

Cutler had a tremendous year last year for being so young. Sanchez is a rookie so the jury is still out.

Who's saying he is?

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by Buster

Moss hasn't exactly been playing up to his abilities either...he's made some big drops and boneheaded plays this season. Most of the Redskins have not lost heart and drive, but Moss appears to be one of them who have, along with Landry. It's a shame, Santana has the game to be a huge contributor, but looks like he's slacking this season.

A receiver cannot throw the ball to himself. I've seen Moss open and Jason either ignores or clearly misses him. I mean it's to a point when you can see Moss go free and you have no confidence that Campbell will hit him. You may, but I don't. The guy is a career back up IMO, nothing more.

I'm not even going to bring up the play before the fake punt field goal where Jason pump fakes to his right multiple times and neglects to see Todd Yoder running free down the middle of the field. Or the fact that they were running a cover 2 with the safeties covering the sidelines but Jason doesn't recognize it in time to hit Yoder. I mean the shit that other starting QB's do on a daily basis WITH or WITHOUT "Time" every Sunday.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by redsk1

This boat has sailed. JC doesn't pass the eye test. Is this guy a good qb? No. You can watch and see it. He missed on alot yesterday. DT has a TD is the ball is there. SM has a touchdown if the ball is there. Sure, JC had some decent throws yesterday. He made some plays w/ his feet. I'm happy, but JC isn't the long term answer. Did you see Kyle Orton miss any TD's yesterday? Kyle Orton...maybe not even a top 20 NFL qb? Did he miss any throws?

Cutler had a tremendous year last year for being so young. Sanchez is a rookie so the jury is still out.

Orton - 61.1% completion
Campbell - 65.4% "


Just saying.

Orton was playing great before 'Rak got to him, better than JC I can admit.

But he did "miss" more throws than JC if we're looking at comp %.

We out-passed them as a team 214-185 (thanks, Hunter!) and out-rushed them 174-120.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by redsk1

This boat has sailed. JC doesn't pass the eye test. Is this guy a good qb? No. You can watch and see it. He missed on alot yesterday. DT has a TD is the ball is there. SM has a touchdown if the ball is there. Sure, JC had some decent throws yesterday. He made some plays w/ his feet. I'm happy, but JC isn't the long term answer. Did you see Kyle Orton miss any TD's yesterday? Kyle Orton...maybe not even a top 20 NFL qb? Did he miss any throws?

Cutler had a tremendous year last year for being so young. Sanchez is a rookie so the jury is still out.

Yes he did, remember the overthrow to Royal? That could have put the game out of reach.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

I don't get people's hate for him. I still hear people on here stating they'd still rather have Cutler or Sanchez, which amazes me. Campbell is performing better with less to work with and he still gets torn down. If you didn't notice, he's the only of the 3 QBs who played a good game this week and also the only one of the three whose team won!

This nonstop hatred for him is what keeps me up for tracking this all year long. He could throw 4 TDs and people would still manufacture excuses as to why he's not to be given credit and why he should be benched for the elderly Todd Collins or the inexperienced QB on IR named Colt Brennan.

Also, I don't get why people are shocked I'm posting this for another week. I have stated EVERY week that I'm doing this stat tracking and analysis all season long and have been supported and thanked by several members, yet every week, the response it "WHY ARE YOU STILL DOING THIS!?

I think the smart fans don't hate the guy. How can you? He's the type of guy you want to root for and do well. He's not a diva ass punk like CP or Hall. He's nothing but a high character stand up guy. But he's just not a legit NFL starter. He missed 3 TD's yesterday w/ inaccurate throws. I know even the best guys miss stuff but the best guys make more than they miss. W/ JC it's the opposite, he misses more than he makes.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think the smart fans don't hate the guy. How can you? He's the type of guy you want to root for and do well. He's not a diva ass punk like CP or Hall. He's nothing but a high character stand up guy. But he's just not a legit NFL starter. He missed 3 TD's yesterday w/ inaccurate throws. I know even the best guys miss stuff but the best guys make more than they miss. W/ JC it's the opposite, he misses more than he makes.

Who's saying he is though?

[Paintrain]

I think it's also worth noting that in the all important 'wins' category, Cutler and Sanchez have 4, Campbell 3 so for all of the 'bench JC and we'll start winning' crowd, the evidence really isn't there. Bottom line, as it was in the offseason, training camp and today, Campbell gives us the best chance to win each week.

Every observer of this team acknowledges that while JC is not playing at a high level and makes frustrating errors, he is far from the biggest problem on the offense. For example, Jim Zorn calling plays-13.1 PPG, Sherm Lewis calling plays-20.3 PPG. If we can get some consistent protection we may see even more improvement in Campbell's game.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Who's saying he is though?

I actually think if we re-vamp the line, he COULD be. It's still a wait-and-see about the remainder of the season, but of course, the main point of me tracking the stats is to prove that Cutler and Sanchez were not the answers as I had maintained in the offseason.

What COULD be done is if we can land Colt McCoy AND STILL STRENGTHEN THE LINE, we could let JC start next season with the new line and see if he's up to it, because I do see some potential in him. If he falters, plug in whichever of the two "Colt"s that landed the backup job out of camp. Todd Collins needs to be sent walking.

If we can't bolster the line AND get a new QB at the same time this offseason/draft, we need to make the line the top priority.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Who's saying he is though?

Before the season about 80% of the ppl in here. just sayin.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I think it's also worth noting that in the all important 'wins' category, Cutler and Sanchez have 4, Campbell 3 so for all of the 'bench JC and we'll start winning' crowd, the evidence really isn't there. Bottom line, as it was in the offseason, training camp and today, Campbell gives us the best chance to win each week.

Every observer of this team acknowledges that while JC is not playing at a high level and makes frustrating errors, he is far from the biggest problem on the offense. For example, Jim Zorn calling plays-13.1 PPG, Sherm Lewis calling plays-20.3 PPG. If we can get some consistent protection we may see even more improvement in Campbell's game.

Great point. I knew Sherm's production was a big improvement, but I did not have the numbers.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Before the season about 80% of the ppl in here. just sayin.

Yes, but we're talking about right now...you Campbell criticizers act like we're saying that right now...and I have yet to see someone say that Campbell is an NFL caliber starter or that he's the QB of the future or anything we used to say before.

I actually find it interesting that Campbell statistically is not doing too bad, yet we know what his play looks on the field. That being said, I agree with Paintrain, right now he gives us the best chance to win (which is a sad indictment of our situation at the QB position). This by no means is saying that he should come back next year...he won't (as I said at best a 2nd stringer).

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Buster

I actually think if we re-vamp the line, he COULD be. It's still a wait-and-see about the remainder of the season, but of course, the main point of me tracking the stats is to prove that Cutler and Sanchez were not the answers as I had maintained in the offseason.

What COULD be done is if we can land Colt McCoy AND STILL STRENGTHEN THE LINE, we could let JC start next season with the new line and see if he's up to it, because I do see some potential in him. If he falters, plug in whichever of the two "Colt"s that landed the backup job out of camp. Todd Collins needs to be sent walking.

If we can't bolster the line AND get a new QB at the same time this offseason/draft, we need to make the line the top priority.

I think we're beyond wait and see....there's going to be a new coaching regime next year and at best JC will be our back up. Once again, I do believe right now he gives us the best chance to win (well it's more like the lesser of two evils), but we need a QB of the future and he's not going to be it.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Before the season about 80% of the ppl in here. just sayin.

I've been one of Campbell's more steadfast supporters around these parts. Recently I've said that I think he can still be an effective game manager and starting QB in the league, but it probably isn't going to happen for him here.

You can see by his numbers that he's an average NFL QB. He's not Jamarcus Russell or Derek Anderson and he's not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He's a guy who won't kill you with mistakes and also not dazzle you with amazing plays.

If you've got a team that plays smart football, runs well, protects well and needs 2-3 plays from your QB per game, he can be your guy. If you've got a team that struggles to do the little things, can't always move the ball and needs the QB to create plays offensively, he's probably the wrong fit. Right now, we're that second type of team so he's not a good fit for us.