Campbell's numbers dont lie

irish · 11-04-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Or kind of like comparing Todd Collins to Jason Campbell. It's like we know one to be better than the other, but some nimrods still think we we unlikely to make the playoffs with Campbell. It's just a bad comparison, you're right.

Comparing TC to JC is like comparing a $5000 claimer and a $7500 claimer, neither is a very good horse.

SmootSmack · 11-04-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Just my last 2 cents - the smartest thing I think that anyone can do now is to stay away from this discussion.

I'm thinking of starting a new thread comparing OchoCinco's numbers to Malcolm Kelly's on a weekly basis. The numbers don't lie!!

Maybe I'll throw in DJ Hackett's just to balance things out

SC Skins Fan · 11-04-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm thinking of starting a new thread comparing OchoCinco's numbers to Malcolm Kelly's on a weekly basis. The numbers don't lie!!

Maybe I'll throw in DJ Hackett's just to balance things out

Throw in Roy Williams too. Remember how so many people said that they would rather have Williams than Johnson, and wouldn't mind giving up picks for RW, because he was "young." Yeah right.

warriorzpath · 11-04-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm thinking of starting a new thread comparing OchoCinco's numbers to Malcolm Kelly's on a weekly basis. The numbers don't lie!!

Maybe I'll throw in DJ Hackett's just to balance things out

lol!

Monkeydad · 11-09-2009, 01:52 PM

UPDATED stats/assessment...Jason's getting downright abused by this offensive line.

Cutler:
WK 9 - 29/47 (61.7%), 369 yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 98.6 rating, 17 rush yds
TOTAL: 182/286 (63.5%), 2,046 yds, 14 TD, 12 INT, 83.8 rating, 109 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 9 - *BYE* (final Bye for these 3 QBs)
TOTAL: 114/213 (53.5%), 1,443 yds, 8 TD, 10 INT, 67.9 rating, 60 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 9 - 15/22 (68.2%), 196 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 92.2 rating, 40 rush yds
TOTAL: 151/228 (66.2%), 1,677 yds, 9 TD, 8 INT, 86.5 rating, 143 rush yds

Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Cutler (2,046) Campbell (1,677) Sanchez (1,443)
TDs = Cutler (14), Campbell (9), Sanchez (8)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (8), Sanchez/Cutler (11)
QB rating = Campbell (86.5), Cutler (83.8), Sanchez (67.9)
Rush yds = Campbell (143), Cutler (109), Sanchez(60)

Week 9 Campbell overview:
Tough week for JC, physically. In the first half, he was sacked 5 times and had been knocked out of the game with an injury. His one INT that was returned for a TD was directly attributed to a case of butterfingers by Fred Davis, who let a pass bounce off his hands into the arms of a Falcon defender. In the second half, although battered and bruised (literally), Campbell was able to lead the team back to a 24-17 deficit and put together a great second half statistically, highlighted by a nice play to use his feet to buy time and find Todd Yoder in the back corner of the endzone for a TD. Campbell had 40 more yards rushing against the Falcons. He's 4th in the NFL in rushing yards by a QB, behind only Aaron Rodgers, David Garrard and Josh Johnson. Overall, it was another painful and difficult day for Jason, but he did once again as he's done a few times this season shown that he can lead the team back when down big. If only he had the protection and teammates to prevent the team from falling so far behind, he could have a completely different reputation around the media and league. His stats were once again solid despite being completely smothered by another defense treating our line like turnstiles.

Jay Cutler had a better than usual game and some big numbers in a shootout with Arizona that the Bears lost 41-21, a game which Chicago managed only a total of 70 rushing yards.

Now with an even 8 games played by all three QBs and no more bye weeks remaining for any of them, Campbell still only trails Cutler in yards and TDs, while leading the remainder of the categories including the fewest INTs with three less than both Sanchez and Cutler. As we've seen, several of these INTs were the direct result of dropped balls or a batted ball at the line, attributable to the lack of a line.

It appears that the Redskins hit a wall at 17 points, because it is the season high for points and has been matched 4 times in 8 games! However, it can't be completely blamed on the QB play because Campbell is continuing to be efficient despite having no protection and is being hit far too many times. He has been sacked 11 times in the previous two weeks, (17 times in the past 4 games) yet has managed to help the team match it's season high of 17 points in both weeks. It appears this team as a whole hits a wall and can't score more than 17 points. No one can blame this lack of production on any single player. Campbell has actually outperformed both McNabb and Matt Ryan in the previous two games, passing for 480 yards and 3 TDs compared to 291 yards and 2 TDs for McNabb/Ryan combined.

Trample the Elderly · 11-09-2009, 02:02 PM

Jason Campbell . . .

I feel sorry seeing that poor SOB in there. He reminds me of Brunell.

Monkeydad · 11-09-2009, 02:12 PM

Brunell? :confused:

You're going to have to explain this one.

DBUCHANON101 · 11-09-2009, 02:50 PM

It is what it is, why must ppl spend so much time defending a guy who wont be here next here? GB and TB have terrible Olines and are not so solid team wise yet they can still score points. Not sayin its all jc's fault but he is not playing like a 1st rounder should be.

Trample the Elderly · 11-09-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

Brunell? :confused:

You're going to have to explain this one.

Did you see Soup on the ground in pain the other day?

That reminds me of Brunell. The only difference is that Brunell was smart enough to throw the ball away most of the time.

I used to hate him for that. Now I know why he did it. Who would want to take that kind of punishment?

Green1 · 11-10-2009, 12:22 AM

On one of the telecast a commentator said Zorn doesn't let JC call audibles. Is this true? If so that can explain a lot of the poor offensive performance.

tryfuhl · 11-10-2009, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Green1

On one of the telecast a commentator said Zorn doesn't let JC call audibles. Is this true? If so that can explain a lot of the poor offensive performance.

This is correct as far as what I've heard.. that we don't have them in the offensive plan.

Monkeydad · 11-10-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Did you see Soup on the ground in pain the other day?

That reminds me of Brunell. The only difference is that Brunell was smart enough to throw the ball away most of the time.

I used to hate him for that. Now I know why he did it. Who would want to take that kind of punishment?

OK, I get it, they're similar QBs because they both ended up on the ground a lot.

Fine assessment.

Monkeydad · 11-10-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

It is what it is, why must ppl spend so much time defending a guy who wont be here next here? GB and TB have terrible Olines and are not so solid team wise yet they can still score points. Not sayin its all jc's fault but he is not playing like a 1st rounder should be.

First of all, we don't know he's gone. A lot of people would actually like to him stay another year IF the line is reinforced to see him play with a chance.

About playing like a first-rounder...how CAN he with the coaching and personnel around him. Vinny set up the team to fail around him, Zorn won't let Campbell take over and run the offense, plus he uses the entire offense improperly...and he has NO protection.

Campbell this year is looking like David Carr in the Houston years when he was sacked 50-60 times a year and had the skills but no chance to use them. With 25 sacks after 8 games already...17 in the last 4 and 11 in the last 2 games (they're increasing in frequency as the year progresses)...60 sacks could very well happen if he can physically survive until Week 17.

GTripp0012 · 11-10-2009, 11:49 AM

The key for Campbell is to get sacked less in the second half of the year than the first. If he develops a major ball-holding tendency, I don't think I'd tender him a contract. The OL is going to be bad: we know that. Just get the ball out quickly.

SouperMeister · 11-10-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The key for Campbell is to get sacked less in the second half of the year than the first. If he develops a major ball-holding tendency, I don't think I'd tender him a contract. The OL is going to be bad: we know that. Just get the ball out quickly.

I was encouraged by the play Campbell made on the Yoder TD. He extended the play with his legs and threw an absolute strike. I wish that he would use his athletic ability more - he had some excellent runs when protection broke down and the Falcons were in man to man D.

11-09-2009, 01:52 PM	#1055
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 17,460	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie UPDATED stats/assessment...Jason's getting downright abused by this offensive line. Cutler: WK 9 - 29/47 (61.7%), 369 yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 98.6 rating, 17 rush yds TOTAL: 182/286 (63.5%), 2,046 yds, 14 TD, 12 INT, 83.8 rating, 109 rush yds Sanchez: WK 9 - BYE (final Bye for these 3 QBs) TOTAL: 114/213 (53.5%), 1,443 yds, 8 TD, 10 INT, 67.9 rating, 60 rush yds Campbell: WK 9 - 15/22 (68.2%), 196 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 92.2 rating, 40 rush yds TOTAL: 151/228 (66.2%), 1,677 yds, 9 TD, 8 INT, 86.5 rating, 143 rush yds Ranks: Comp. % = Campbell, Cutler, Sanchez Yds = Cutler (2,046) Campbell (1,677) Sanchez (1,443) TDs = Cutler (14), Campbell (9), Sanchez (8) INTs (fewest) = Campbell (8), Sanchez/Cutler (11) QB rating = Campbell (86.5), Cutler (83.8), Sanchez (67.9) Rush yds = Campbell (143), Cutler (109), Sanchez(60) Week 9 Campbell overview: Tough week for JC, physically. In the first half, he was sacked 5 times and had been knocked out of the game with an injury. His one INT that was returned for a TD was directly attributed to a case of butterfingers by Fred Davis, who let a pass bounce off his hands into the arms of a Falcon defender. In the second half, although battered and bruised (literally), Campbell was able to lead the team back to a 24-17 deficit and put together a great second half statistically, highlighted by a nice play to use his feet to buy time and find Todd Yoder in the back corner of the endzone for a TD. Campbell had 40 more yards rushing against the Falcons. He's 4th in the NFL in rushing yards by a QB, behind only Aaron Rodgers, David Garrard and Josh Johnson. Overall, it was another painful and difficult day for Jason, but he did once again as he's done a few times this season shown that he can lead the team back when down big. If only he had the protection and teammates to prevent the team from falling so far behind, he could have a completely different reputation around the media and league. His stats were once again solid despite being completely smothered by another defense treating our line like turnstiles. Jay Cutler had a better than usual game and some big numbers in a shootout with Arizona that the Bears lost 41-21, a game which Chicago managed only a total of 70 rushing yards. Now with an even 8 games played by all three QBs and no more bye weeks remaining for any of them, Campbell still only trails Cutler in yards and TDs, while leading the remainder of the categories including the fewest INTs with three less than both Sanchez and Cutler. As we've seen, several of these INTs were the direct result of dropped balls or a batted ball at the line, attributable to the lack of a line. It appears that the Redskins hit a wall at 17 points, because it is the season high for points and has been matched 4 times in 8 games! However, it can't be completely blamed on the QB play because Campbell is continuing to be efficient despite having no protection and is being hit far too many times. He has been sacked 11 times in the previous two weeks, (17 times in the past 4 games) yet has managed to help the team match it's season high of 17 points in both weeks. It appears this team as a whole hits a wall and can't score more than 17 points. No one can blame this lack of production on any single player. Campbell has actually outperformed both McNabb and Matt Ryan in the previous two games, passing for 480 yards and 3 TDs compared to 291 yards and 2 TDs for McNabb/Ryan combined. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

11-09-2009, 02:02 PM	#1056
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 2,906	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie Jason Campbell . . . I feel sorry seeing that poor SOB in there. He reminds me of Brunell. __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

11-09-2009, 02:12 PM	#1057
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 17,460	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie Brunell? :confused: You're going to have to explain this one. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

11-09-2009, 02:50 PM	#1058
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie It is what it is, why must ppl spend so much time defending a guy who wont be here next here? GB and TB have terrible Olines and are not so solid team wise yet they can still score points. Not sayin its all jc's fault but he is not playing like a 1st rounder should be. __________________ But there's booze in the blender. And soon it will render. That frozen concoction that helps me hang on.

11-10-2009, 12:22 AM	#1060
Green1 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 121	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie On one of the telecast a commentator said Zorn doesn't let JC call audibles. Is this true? If so that can explain a lot of the poor offensive performance.

11-10-2009, 11:49 AM	#1064
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie The key for Campbell is to get sacked less in the second half of the year than the first. If he develops a major ball-holding tendency, I don't think I'd tender him a contract. The OL is going to be bad: we know that. Just get the ball out quickly. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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