Where are the apologies?

[STPainmaker]

I don't want anyone apologizing for anything unless they offend someone. People should be aloud to say whatever they want and be disagreed with. If I tell someone I think they are wrong it shouldn't matter.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by ChounsMan

No apology needed. The lack of offense for 3 quarters was a result of poor pass coverage ala Rabach & Dockery. Both were burnt several times on pure power rushing by the nose & end tackles.

Brunell never had a solid chance half the time to just sit & read the coverage, so maybe some of my fellow warpathers need to go back & watch the film & see how our coverage failed Brunell most of the game.

Portis's inability to get big plays only depleted our chances to pass the ball effectively. Think, the running game is not making it past the line or the LB's, so the S & FS can just sit on their heels & play 2 deep.


However, Parcells screwed himself into thinking the game was over in the 3rd Q & started backup RB's & conservative play calling. Just think how ridiculous that is, your up by only 2 TD's & think the game is over, so why not give your RB the rest of the evening off. DOH..!!!!

This wasn't won or lose by the QB position, it was through good play calling by Gibbs.

replace the word coverage with 'protection' and you may have something there. bad OLine play would effect Portis just as much though, and i doubt Dockery has much experience versus a Parcells 3-4.

[jermus22]

Although I originally thought after game 1 that Ramsey would continue to start (and I would've supported him) I actually took Gibbs' side on the issue since I trusted him more than either QB. By the second quarter against the Cowboys, I was actually starting to wonder if Gibbs was being too stubborn and just gratifying his own pride. I can't say I've doubted him like that before, but Brunell was playing horribly, looking an awful lot like the guy we saw last season. I was also pissed that we didn't throw more downfield passes, something I kept mentioning to my friends. In the end, I'm glad we won and I'm confident that Gibbs will look at the game tapes and open up the offense a little more. It's also nice to know that Brunell does still have an arm. For the time being, we have NO quarterback controversy.

[ladyfan06]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I'm sorry SC -- I can't excuse 3 1/4 of just horrible QBing with 3/4 of one. I feel Ramsey would have done better throughout the game and given us a win that wouldn't have stopped my heart three times! Brunell still doesnt have me sold till he can perform anywhere near the level of the 4th quarter more than once. We have 3 unproven QBs as far as Im concerned.

??????? What??? "Ramsey would have done better"....let's be realistic. One of the biggest, if not THE biggest plays of the game was Brunnell's run to make the 3rd and 27, a 4th and 2 play...Ramsey's scary ass would have thrown a INT or been sacked!

I COMPLETELY disagree!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by ladyfan06

??????? What??? "Ramsey would have done better"....let's be realistic. One of the biggest, if not THE biggest plays of the game was Brunnell's run to make the 3rd and 27, a 4th and 2 play...Ramsey's scary ass would have thrown a INT or been sacked!

I COMPLETELY disagree!

while that's probably true in that situation, i think the general feeling among the people who remember Ramsey from last season is that we would have had more points (as in *some*) by the fourth quarter and wouldn't be in that position.

while i'm glad he can still scramble to avoid sacks, we shouldn't be relying on the legs of a 35 yr old QB for actual yards anyway.

but it's all academic at this point isn't it.

[DirtBagZ]

All right time to repeat myself, I am going to be a hypocrite, for before I was a Brunell & Gibbs basher, and an admited, "Ramsey Apologist" but having seen the Miracle in Big-D, I see error of my ways. The guys who wear the burgundy and gold jersey are OUR guys. So let us stop the bashing of the burgundy and gold and of each other, as someone pointed out we are begining to sound like Eagles fans.

We need to be there for the burgundy and gold. For Ramsey we need to root for him, that learns everything he can from this coaching staff so that if his number is called as the back-up he is ready. We need to hope that someone from the coaching staff was watching film of the Clevland - Greenbay game and noted how Trent Dilfer was moving around and rolling out of the pocket. Trent is not exactly the second coming of Steve Young and suggest that Ramsey work on such things when he is not running the scout team. That my fellow burgundy and gold brothers is what we need to do.


-D

[That Guy]

no one can really say what ramsey could or couldn't have done for sure, because he didn't play the game. brunell was awful, but he flipped some switch and hopefully he continues. As long as we win or don't have 56minutes of crap play every game, i can live just fine with him as our QB.

[offiss]

Anyone who wants to put there faith in Brunells miracle 4 minutes can, good luck if you think that will happen again, the real Brunell showed up for 56 minutes, and couldn't have recieved more luck in the final 4 minutes if he paid off the defense himself.

NOOOOOOOOO, no way Ramsey could have done that, I seem to remember a game 3 years ago when he lead us back against Philli when he hit McCants on about a 40 yard strike down the middle for a TD late in the final minute. I also remember him coming in the Giant game last year and moving the ball up and down the field when Brunell did nothing but give up a defensive TD. Then Ramsey recieved a start against those very Giants and kicked their A**'s up and down the field, but it's just fine to kill anyone who believes Ramsey would have put up points and wouldn't have been in a position where he didn't need a miracle 4 minutes.

Bottom line Ramsey will score points, he proved it last year when Brunell failed, and for all those who think that monday night is how football games are won? Think again, lets see how pleased you are with that type of play when we are around game 12 and our defense is burnt out because they spent the first 11 game's on the field the majority of the time.

It's funny we haven't heard anything about Brunell's INT, and his fumble as well, I thought Gibbs main objective was to hang on to the ball, Brunell 10 starts, Brunell 10 turnovers.

Brunell didn't win this game with a methotical drive carving up a defense ala Montana, he threw the ball up in desperation because he couldn't move the ball with anything remotly resembling consistancy. I don't even lay all the blame on Brunell either, I lay it on Gibbs simplistic, conservative, offensive approach, which Ramsey has had not only to fight through, but had to fight a stacked deck as well in Gibbs desire to play Brunell.

Watching Gibbs press confrence I had what wouldn't be a strong feeling but a possible hint that he may be coming to the conclusion that other than the last 4 minutes in which he knows he was very lucky to win, Brunell was horrible, I really didn't hear him praising Brunell as in the past, after all we overcame a mountain in the final 4 minutes to avoid being shutout.

[STPainmaker]

Originally Posted by offiss

Anyone who wants to put there faith in Brunells miracle 4 minutes can, good luck if you think that will happen again, the real Brunell showed up for 56 minutes, and couldn't have recieved more luck in the final 4 minutes if he paid off the defense himself.

NOOOOOOOOO, no way Ramsey could have done that, I seem to remember a game 3 years ago when he lead us back against Philli when he hit McCants on about a 40 yard strike down the middle for a TD late in the final minute. I also remember him coming in the Giant game last year and moving the ball up and down the field when Brunell did nothing but give up a defensive TD. Then Ramsey recieved a start against those very Giants and kicked their A**'s up and down the field, but it's just fine to kill anyone who believes Ramsey would have put up points and wouldn't have been in a position where he didn't need a miracle 4 minutes.

Bottom line Ramsey will score points, he proved it last year when Brunell failed, and for all those who think that monday night is how football games are won? Think again, lets see how pleased you are with that type of play when we are around game 12 and our defense is burnt out because they spent the first 11 game's on the field the majority of the time.

It's funny we haven't heard anything about Brunell's INT, and his fumble as well, I thought Gibbs main objective was to hang on to the ball, Brunell 10 starts, Brunell 10 turnovers.

Brunell didn't win this game with a methotical drive carving up a defense ala Montana, he threw the ball up in desperation because he couldn't move the ball with anything remotly resembling consistancy. I don't even lay all the blame on Brunell either, I lay it on Gibbs simplistic, conservative, offensive approach, which Ramsey has had not only to fight through, but had to fight a stacked deck as well in Gibbs desire to play Brunell.

Watching Gibbs press confrence I had what wouldn't be a strong feeling but a possible hint that he may be coming to the conclusion that other than the last 4 minutes in which he knows he was very lucky to win, Brunell was horrible, I really didn't hear him praising Brunell as in the past, after all we overcame a mountain in the final 4 minutes to avoid being shutout.

I agree with alot of what you are saying I mean Ramsey came up with some big plays but Brunell's passes were pretty much perfectly thrown balls, on a route. Not a hail mary where evryone's in the end zone waving their hands. I also think both of these guys are so inconsistent that you can't say Ramsey would have definitely done better. I feel you man but I think for whatever this win is worth Ramsey won't start again barring injury.

[SmootSmack]

When did Brunell fumble?

[DirtBagZ]

offiss - I hear ya...but enough of the negativity, at least for this week. Let us not bash. Let us hope that the real Brunell was the QB we saw leading the miracle, and making the 25 yard scamper on 3 and a mile, and then unleashing lightening on the Cowbumz.

Brunell is 35 the odds are not very good of him making it through the whole season unscathed. I am sure the six sacks, and horseshit horse collar from Roy Williams did not help either. So much for the Roy Williams rule, but I digress.

Ramsey will probably get back into a game, channel your faith and belief in him into hoping that when he gets his next opportunity he becomes the next Tom Brady. Not saying it is going to happen but have some faith, not just in Ramsey but the Burgundy and Gold.

[beg8878]

Originally Posted by offiss

Anyone who wants to put there faith in Brunells miracle 4 minutes can, good luck if you think that will happen again, the real Brunell showed up for 56 minutes, and couldn't have recieved more luck in the final 4 minutes if he paid off the defense himself.

NOOOOOOOOO, no way Ramsey could have done that, I seem to remember a game 3 years ago when he lead us back against Philli when he hit McCants on about a 40 yard strike down the middle for a TD late in the final minute. I also remember him coming in the Giant game last year and moving the ball up and down the field when Brunell did nothing but give up a defensive TD. Then Ramsey recieved a start against those very Giants and kicked their A**'s up and down the field, but it's just fine to kill anyone who believes Ramsey would have put up points and wouldn't have been in a position where he didn't need a miracle 4 minutes.

Bottom line Ramsey will score points, he proved it last year when Brunell failed, and for all those who think that monday night is how football games are won? Think again, lets see how pleased you are with that type of play when we are around game 12 and our defense is burnt out because they spent the first 11 game's on the field the majority of the time.

It's funny we haven't heard anything about Brunell's INT, and his fumble as well, I thought Gibbs main objective was to hang on to the ball, Brunell 10 starts, Brunell 10 turnovers.

Brunell didn't win this game with a methotical drive carving up a defense ala Montana, he threw the ball up in desperation because he couldn't move the ball with anything remotly resembling consistancy. I don't even lay all the blame on Brunell either, I lay it on Gibbs simplistic, conservative, offensive approach, which Ramsey has had not only to fight through, but had to fight a stacked deck as well in Gibbs desire to play Brunell.

Watching Gibbs press confrence I had what wouldn't be a strong feeling but a possible hint that he may be coming to the conclusion that other than the last 4 minutes in which he knows he was very lucky to win, Brunell was horrible, I really didn't hear him praising Brunell as in the past, after all we overcame a mountain in the final 4 minutes to avoid being shutout.

I usually disagree with a lot of your posts offiss, but you make some good poitns in this arguement. I think we can all agree that they both have flaws and its all about Risk vs. reward when dealing with Brunnell and Ramsey...

Hopefully this discussion ends more and more as Mr. Campbell continues to learn to be better than both

[EternalEnigma21]

Well just to be clear, I think Brunell did at least earn a shot with the win. I agree he did look like hell for most of the game with the blindside sacks and fumble and int, but he did make 2 huge plays in a clutch situation, which is something we havent seen around here in a while. Do I still wish Ramsey was the starter... yup, I wish he would've never been benched after the first 20something mins. Who knows, he could've played comeback there too and thrown for some bombs. We'll never know because he never got the shot. I do remember seeing him throw a few bombs in 2003 to Coles, Gardner and McCants, but that was the past and right now Marks in there and we're gonna see where he takes us. I'm just gonna be pissed if he gets another long (losing)leash like last year (although I'm still not gonna demand apologies from the brunell guys)

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

All right time to repeat myself, I am going to be a hypocrite, for before I was a Brunell & Gibbs basher, and an admited, "Ramsey Apologist" but having seen the Miracle in Big-D, I see error of my ways.

you shouldn't feel the need to apologize for your views 'Bagz, especially when the stats backed you up in every category. Monday night was great, but it didn't change the facts as Offiss so clearly pointed out. that said, we should rally behind whoever is leading our offense, there's enough uncertainty there already.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by ladyfan06

??????? What??? "Ramsey would have done better"....let's be realistic. One of the biggest, if not THE biggest plays of the game was Brunnell's run to make the 3rd and 27, a 4th and 2 play...Ramsey's scary ass would have thrown a INT or been sacked!

I COMPLETELY disagree!

I Remember A Monday Night game When Ramsey Ran Around the Left End For About 30 yards to win that game for US..... How quickly we forget.... what was that game? Plus Patrick would have never had us in that desperate situation...and Portis would have run for 150 yards cause the defense would have had to play back... 1 half is not a fair chance... but brunell will go down and soon he's very fragile and we all know how tought Ramsey is ...so he will get his chance... Plus Ramsey wouldn't have slid short of the 1st down like brunell did ..he would have ran somebody over...