Raheem Morris to the Redskins

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I like the guy but one of the knocks was that his players quit on him this year.

Is that him or his players' fault? They were good before...then as soon as the get some injuries and some adversity they fold up? It certainly could be that he didn't do a good job or it could be that the players are young and nothing he did would have changed it.

[Coff]

I'm concerned that Morris might be a bit out of his element, coaching up d-backs in a 3-4. However, he's a smart enough guy to figure that out. What concerns me more is the idea that he might be hired to eventually replace Haslett if Haslett leaves for a HC position. That would be a return to typical Redskins FO bull****. Completely turning around the direction of the team by enacting a 3-4 defense, spend a couple of years drafting, signing and developing players to fit into it, and then going back on it after a short period of time.

As I said, that's what concerns me about the Morris hire. Ideally though, the Skins hired him to be nothing more than a dbacks coach, which is the impression I get when reading about it. He was promised by Shanahan that he can look for D-Coordinator positions next season. The impression I get is that the Skins aren't interested in Morris ever being anything more than a positions coach, which is the best position they can take.

[MTK]

Whether you run a 3-4 or a 4-3, what goes on in the secondary doesn't change. The alignment you run only impacts the front seven.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'm like tripp in many ways, I always get cautious over moves the skins make simply because we suck and have for 20 years now.. he and I are about the same age and have never seen a winner in dc so u have to understand our pain

LOL. A few weeks ago I was talking with my sister about the same thing. We're both in our 40's and were talking about the younger fans and how much we feel bad for them. They don't know what it use to be like around here...where you actually felt apart of something special.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

People always seem to forget Morris was an HC for three years (not two) and he finished 3-13 his first year.

But anyway, as has been mentioned Morris as a position coach should be just fine. His problem as a HC was when he tried to hard to discipline a player the team was like "this isn't you, and turned a deaf ear" so then he would do outlandish stuff like send Brian Price home at halftime for a false start (or whatever it was). Point is, he struggled to effectively cross the line from "hey, I'm your buddy let's work on some drills after practice" to "you're five minutes late to the film session, you're not starting on Sunday"

Can't blame Morris cause the players were too young and immature. In the end the players let him down cause they didn't want to act like professionals.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Whether you run a 3-4 or a 4-3, what goes on in the secondary doesn't change. The alignment you run only impacts the front seven.

Man, you just love being a grumpy little contrarian don't you?

The d-back responsibilities in a 3-4 defense are certainly different. They play more zone, are more responsible for outside run games, have substantially more coordinating with linebackers in multiple receiver threats, etc. Of course, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Coff

Man, you just love being a grumpy little contrarian don't you?

The d-back responsibilities in a 3-4 defense are certainly different. They play more zone, are more responsible for outside run games, have substantially more coordinating with linebackers in multiple receiver threats, etc. Of course, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

Grumpy?

News to me.

I'm just going off what we've asked guys like Reed Doughty in the past. He said the differences were minimal for the secondary.

WP: How is the transition coming with the switch to the 3-4?

RD: The transition for the Safeties is not that drastic. We are asked to play a lot more coverages and schemes but that has more to do with Coach Haslett's mentality than it does switching to 3-4. The 3-4 affects the DE/LB guys and the other Defensive line up front.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Grumpy?

News to me.

I'm just going off what we've asked guys like Reed Doughty in the past. He said the differences were minimal for the secondary.

Then again it is Ree Doughty we're talking about. I keed I keed.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

For the record the year before he was 10-6 with a team starting 10 rookies. Don't fall victim to the "error of recency". I can't tell why they stunk up the joint this season anymore than I can tell why they didn't the year before...neither means he's great or awful.

Morris' Bucs did just fine in 2010. It would not be a shock to see a young team regress from a 10-6 record. However, what the Bucs showed in 2011 has to be categorized as "disturbing". Losing 10 in a row and losing 4 games by more than 4 TDs is not just a regression from a surprisingly good season; it is a collapse.

Morris and the rest of the coaching staff have to own a significant part of the collapse of the team - - the part that is over and above a mere regression.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Coff

Man, you just love being a grumpy little contrarian don't you?

The d-back responsibilities in a 3-4 defense are certainly different. They play more zone, are more responsible for outside run games, have substantially more coordinating with linebackers in multiple receiver threats, etc. Of course, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

Who do you think we are? Oakland? Most teams play a zone of some sort and our DBs are not good enough to be left on a island all the time.

And DBs helping run support is universal. Antoine Winfield is a cover 2 corner who plays in a 4-3, and his role in run support is well-noted.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Can't blame Morris cause the players were too young and immature.

......how old is Rhonda Barber?

So you can't blame a young head coach for not coaching his own players???

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I havent had time to read every post so sorry if i repeat anything:


Hasslett had been considered a HC canidate to some degree (not my opinion). I would have thought that Morris could have gotten a better job had he waited for all the HC vacancies to be filled. So maybe because of his relationship with Allen and the possability of Hasslett leaving in the next couple of years Morris liked the potential for oppertunity in DC.


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.....you do know Hasslett use to be the head Coach of the Saints?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Giantone

......how old is Rhonda Barber?

So you can't blame a young head coach for not coaching his own players???

Is that Ronde's daughter?

[mooby]

For me it boils down to whom I would rather have: Morris, or Jackson? I'd rather have Morris, because I think his experience leading 53 guys for 3 seasons will make the transition to coaching 10 or so guys a lot easier. Plus he has a good argument for being a position coach, just not a head coach. People say our secondary really wasn't that much of a problem last year, but I remember it letting us down in key moments and also all the big time quarterbacks that carved us up. I was in "wait and see" mode in regards to their personnel decisions at the start of the season, but they failed once again in those regards. I trust Raheem Morris to find guys that he thinks will excel in what he wants his db's to do, because as has been said, finding talent wasn't his problem, it was how he communicated with that talent in order to get them to do what he wanted. And it should be easier with 10 guys instead of an entire locker room.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Is that Ronde's daughter?

Maybe it's one of Tiki's twin daughters that his ex-wife had after he dumped her for that 23 year old model?