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08-22-2011, 09:38 PM | #91 | |
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Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. Colts)
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Your notion that it is IMPOSSIBLE to complete a deep ball on cover 2 is also problematic. It's difficult but not impossible, as evidenced by the fact that someone does it every week. You seem to be bringing black-and-white thinking to a shades-of-grey topic.
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08-22-2011, 10:08 PM | #92 | |
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08-22-2011, 10:12 PM | #93 |
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Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. Colts)
And I don't think I ever said there was a time against the Colts
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08-22-2011, 10:14 PM | #94 | |
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Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. Colts)
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I'm saying the Colts never dropped a safety into the box the entire game. I'm saying, in this one particular game, of which John Beck is taking criticism for, in which he was instructed by his offensive coordinator to take what the defense gave him, this particular defense dropped seven guys into coverage on nearly every down. As I said before, their safeties were so deep, they were rarely on the screen. Keeping the defense honest, in this case, in this one particular case, was a moot point, because the safeties were never in the box, and were essentially being "kept honest" the entire game. When they did bring a safety on a blitz, Beck picked it up and hit Santana Moss on a cross route that went for the first down. They only dropped that safety into the box when the Redskins were on their 20 in the red zone. The rest of the time, despite the short passes and the running game, the Colts never put a safety in the box. You can't "keep a defense honest" when they've already shown that they have no intention of letting you get deep on them, short passes and run game be damned. I fully expect the gameplan to be different versus the Ravens. I'm just stating that I don't think it's fair to criticize John for not "taking a shot" to keep a defense honest that was already paying things pretty honest. |
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08-22-2011, 10:19 PM | #95 | |
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08-22-2011, 11:04 PM | #96 | |
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My basic argument has been that it would be helpful to take an occasional shot down the field and we have not done much of that to this point. I have admitted that the sample size is small and things can change. I cannot understand why this argument is so controversial or problematic for you.
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08-22-2011, 11:23 PM | #97 | |
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Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. Colts)
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Modern passing offense has exploded since 2006 though, when the cover two was most prominent. You certainly don't have to throw deep to beat some of the more discipline-based defenses. Those true cover two teams are never going to cheat up on the shorter routes because the philosophy is to give up certain areas of the field. You can win simply by out executing them. They just like their chances. The problem comes now that the cover two isn't prevalent anymore. You're basically certain to see a number of man to man coverages against any team in any game. Teams that can't go deep against man are going to get destroyed, because their run game is just going to get outnumbered. But thats a somewhat new development in the last four years. If the Colts really did nothing but sit in two deep all day, which I don't doubt, it's only because it was the preseason. And that would explain John Beck's 14-17 day: he just killed a predictable coverage, as he should have.
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08-23-2011, 01:11 AM | #98 |
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Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. Colts)
I agree, GTripp, which is why I think the gameplan for the Ravens will be a lot different than it was here, and why Beck (provided he starts) will possibly take advantage of some holes in their secondary.
The Ravens are now playing a rookie, and a third year player who has only had 1 pass defensed and new interceptions in two seasons with the Ravens. And Bernard Pollard will probably be playing at strong safety, but I think he'll be in the box because he blows in coverage. There's some holes to exploit there, with our first team offense, and I think Beck will take a few more shots with our vet receivers working on young players, especially with the Ravens gameplanning against us. Going to be an interesting game. |
08-23-2011, 01:25 AM | #99 |
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Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. Colts)
Espn.com stats. Go the "Splits" section. Scroll down a bit to "By Pass Play", and you'll see them.
Example: Peyton Manning Stats, Splits - Indianapolis Colts - ESPN
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08-23-2011, 01:34 AM | #100 |
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Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. Colts)
What I want to know is when will ESPN's new qb rating become relevant. It feels like it's been virtually ignored by the entire media this preseason, and I figured they'd introduce it before the preseason to let people get acclimated to it through the preseason so it'd be more smooth sailing by the time the regular season started. Instead of hearing anything about the new qb rating method, I've seen multiple references to the old one, including analysts talking about how Grossman had a 107 (I think, not definite) qb rating against the Steelers.
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08-23-2011, 01:46 AM | #101 |
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Won't really happen overnight. Plus it's not meant to be an instant stat.
I'm in a meeting to talk about it next week actually. But I may skip it though.
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