Sources: Gruden the front runner

redsk1 · 10-13-2009, 10:30 AM

I wouldn't be upset w/ Gruden. I would be upset if VC stays. As long as we have the current FO setup here we'll be average. We been average for 10 years. We've employed coaches of all different stripes but they had one thing in common, they had average teams.

rbanerjee23 · 10-13-2009, 10:43 AM

Wow, even then Snyder won't take the hint...TAKE YOUR HANDS OFF THIS TEAM. Constrain yourself to just jacking up the parking prices at Fedex but at least let someone who knows football make the major football decisions.

When coaches like Bill Cowher and Mike Holmgren who have built championship teams from the ground up say they don't want to work here because of the freaking front office structure?!?! What does that say...that means they are probably okay with the players for the most part but the ownership is what is putting them off. GDit Snyder, back the hell off...

SBXVII · 10-13-2009, 10:52 AM

^ Well it goes back to will DS see the reason a lot of HC's don't want the job is because of Vinny. Some don't want the head ache called DS. There's no way around us getting rid of DS, he owns the team so no matter what he's here to stay. The Redskins are a money making machine so he's happy pocket wise, but the real issue is will DS see that his "little buddy" is now starting to limit his HC prospects and will he pull the trigger and either move him to another job with no say in player personell or will he fire him in order to have access to other prospects? These are interesting times. If you had a business and the manager was driving away employee's (ie; players and coach's) and customers (ie; fans) then what would you do? If you knew that by letting him go and bringing in someone else more qualified would help your organization and bring you more profit what choice would you make? I think it's funny that between fans, media, and prospect HC's not liking him and not wanting him here, DS keeps him so close to his side.

Me personally, I would move Vinny to a more paper pushing roll maybe have him in charge of contracts or something, maybe the welcome wagon, but If Gruden was on my top list as a HC then Holmgren would be my choice to be GM cause they know each other and have worked together before. Holmgren being the "kinder gentler" type and Gruden being the ball buster HC. Plus it wouldn't be much of a jump other then Gruden learning the play calls over the 2 week break and tweeking the offense a little. Then next yr draft O-lineman in the 1st and 2nd round. LT and RT. Make the rest either back ups or Guards. I would take a bigger Center in a late round unless the kid from Maryland we picked up is decent enough.

hooskins · 10-13-2009, 11:01 AM

Problem is the fans. If we are truly upset with ownership, why do we keep buying the product? Boycott.

MTK · 10-13-2009, 11:13 AM

I'm a big fan of Gruden, he's a great motivator, he loves to run the ball, he's a true student of the game, and he would be a good transition from Zorn to his WC based offense. However, to state the obvious something needs to change upstairs to have any lasting impact from who is coaching the team. Until then, who cares.

SBXVII · 10-13-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Problem is the fans. If we are truly upset with ownership, why do we keep buying the product? Boycott.

I've been in boycott mode for the last 3-4 yrs. I don't have season ticket so thats a no brainer. I want to buy a new hat so bad or a Jersey but I am not until this whole mess is fixed and the Skins are a respectable team again, not a team that people circle on their calender every year cause they count it as a win.

I'm leaning toward picking up a Capitals Jersey. I know they have been having their fair share of problems winning games but you can honestly say they look good for the most part and have gone the "Rebuild" mode already and are on the upswing. Plus 2-3 losses don't matter when you playing 80 something games.

Hopefully the Nats will do something with their 1st round pick.

and hopefully the Wizards will atleast show up in their games this yr with a new HC and Scheme.

sportscurmudgeon · 10-13-2009, 11:16 AM

Short answer:

Vinny ain't gonna get fired here.

Until and unless Vinny is convicted of a felony and suspended by the NFL Commish, he and Danny Boy will stay tight.

SBXVII · 10-13-2009, 11:20 AM

Maybe those who have already paid for their season tickets and are not going to sit at home for one game cause they paid for it could find something to do as a small sign of protest. Maybe wear brown paper bags over their heads for a quarter. That may not be feasable but you catch my drift. Take signs that say fire Vinny or something. I have to imagine that the media will pick up on it and show it all over ESPN or the news papers and drive DS crazy.

Maybe purchase "Chucky" dolls and wave them at the next game.

Hog1 · 10-13-2009, 11:27 AM

I'm doing my part. I haven't been to a Redskins....home game in 10 years. What the hell is wrong with the rest of you?

I just heard on ESPN 980 (in DC) that John Gruden appears to be the front runner for the Skins new Head Coach. They are referring to as it is a done deal. That must make JZ feel...GOOD

SBXVII · 10-13-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Short answer:

Vinny ain't gonna get fired here.

Until and unless Vinny is convicted of a felony and suspended by the NFL Commish, he and Danny Boy will stay tight.

LOL. Then maybe we need the same people who ran the sting against Marion Barry to assist.

SBXVII · 10-13-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

I'm doing my part. I haven't been to a Redskins....home game in 10 years. What the hell is wrong with the rest of you?

I just heard on ESPN 980 (in DC) that John Gruden appears to be the front runner for the Skins new Head Coach. They are referring to as it is a done deal. That must make JZ feel...GOOD

Sounds good to me....most likely they are reading what the media is saying. but if not then can I ask who the front runner for the GM job is? LOL.

freddyg12 · 10-13-2009, 11:57 AM

From what that dc examiner article states about Gruden, it kinda scares me. If he truly wants an owner who'll spend $, then we're right back where we were 10 years ago. Of course the saving grace might be the economy, even the danny has to watch his spending, cap or not.

SFREDSKIN · 10-13-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

From what that dc examiner article states about Gruden, it kinda scares me. If he truly wants an owner who'll spend $, then we're right back where we were 10 years ago. Of course the saving grace might be the economy, even the danny has to watch his spending, cap or not.

The guy couldn't even develop a QB or pick one while in Tampa. He had 5 at one time and rotated them all, cause they sucked. What do you think he'll do here? He's over rated just like Cowher and Shanahan, the only former coach I would consider is Holmgren.

MTK · 10-13-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The guy couldn't even develop a QB or pick one while in Tampa. He had 5 at one time and rotated them all, cause they sucked. What do you think he'll do here? He's over rated just like Cowher and Shanahan, the only former coach I would consider is Holmgren.

What he'll do here is get the guy he wants with Snyder's bucks. In Tampa they didn't spend the money he felt they should have in order to win.

skinsfan69 · 10-13-2009, 12:22 PM

I hope Gruden doesn't come here. He had some terrible offenses at TB that were constantly running dink and dunk crap, couldn't settle on a QB. Plus he got fired for not being able to communicate with the players. Then after he got fired all his dirty laundry came out, the players were just ripping him to pieces. IMO he sounds like an asshole. No thanks. There are plenty of guys out there that would be better than Gruden. But the first thing Snyder needs to do is hire a competent GM and let him make the hire... but that's not going to happen.

10-13-2009, 10:30 AM	#91
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner I wouldn't be upset w/ Gruden. I would be upset if VC stays. As long as we have the current FO setup here we'll be average. We been average for 10 years. We've employed coaches of all different stripes but they had one thing in common, they had average teams.

10-13-2009, 10:43 AM	#92
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner Wow, even then Snyder won't take the hint...TAKE YOUR HANDS OFF THIS TEAM. Constrain yourself to just jacking up the parking prices at Fedex but at least let someone who knows football make the major football decisions. When coaches like Bill Cowher and Mike Holmgren who have built championship teams from the ground up say they don't want to work here because of the freaking front office structure?!?! What does that say...that means they are probably okay with the players for the most part but the ownership is what is putting them off. GDit Snyder, back the hell off... __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

10-13-2009, 10:52 AM	#93
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner ^ Well it goes back to will DS see the reason a lot of HC's don't want the job is because of Vinny. Some don't want the head ache called DS. There's no way around us getting rid of DS, he owns the team so no matter what he's here to stay. The Redskins are a money making machine so he's happy pocket wise, but the real issue is will DS see that his "little buddy" is now starting to limit his HC prospects and will he pull the trigger and either move him to another job with no say in player personell or will he fire him in order to have access to other prospects? These are interesting times. If you had a business and the manager was driving away employee's (ie; players and coach's) and customers (ie; fans) then what would you do? If you knew that by letting him go and bringing in someone else more qualified would help your organization and bring you more profit what choice would you make? I think it's funny that between fans, media, and prospect HC's not liking him and not wanting him here, DS keeps him so close to his side. Me personally, I would move Vinny to a more paper pushing roll maybe have him in charge of contracts or something, maybe the welcome wagon, but If Gruden was on my top list as a HC then Holmgren would be my choice to be GM cause they know each other and have worked together before. Holmgren being the "kinder gentler" type and Gruden being the ball buster HC. Plus it wouldn't be much of a jump other then Gruden learning the play calls over the 2 week break and tweeking the offense a little. Then next yr draft O-lineman in the 1st and 2nd round. LT and RT. Make the rest either back ups or Guards. I would take a bigger Center in a late round unless the kid from Maryland we picked up is decent enough.

10-13-2009, 11:01 AM	#94
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner Problem is the fans. If we are truly upset with ownership, why do we keep buying the product? Boycott. __________________ Vacancy

10-13-2009, 11:13 AM	#95
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner I'm a big fan of Gruden, he's a great motivator, he loves to run the ball, he's a true student of the game, and he would be a good transition from Zorn to his WC based offense. However, to state the obvious something needs to change upstairs to have any lasting impact from who is coaching the team. Until then, who cares. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-13-2009, 11:16 AM	#97
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner Short answer: Vinny ain't gonna get fired here. Until and unless Vinny is convicted of a felony and suspended by the NFL Commish, he and Danny Boy will stay tight. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

10-13-2009, 11:20 AM	#98
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner Maybe those who have already paid for their season tickets and are not going to sit at home for one game cause they paid for it could find something to do as a small sign of protest. Maybe wear brown paper bags over their heads for a quarter. That may not be feasable but you catch my drift. Take signs that say fire Vinny or something. I have to imagine that the media will pick up on it and show it all over ESPN or the news papers and drive DS crazy. Maybe purchase "Chucky" dolls and wave them at the next game.

10-13-2009, 11:27 AM	#99
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner I'm doing my part. I haven't been to a Redskins....home game in 10 years. What the hell is wrong with the rest of you? I just heard on ESPN 980 (in DC) that John Gruden appears to be the front runner for the Skins new Head Coach. They are referring to as it is a done deal. That must make JZ feel...GOOD __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

10-13-2009, 11:57 AM	#102
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner From what that dc examiner article states about Gruden, it kinda scares me. If he truly wants an owner who'll spend $, then we're right back where we were 10 years ago. Of course the saving grace might be the economy, even the danny has to watch his spending, cap or not.

10-13-2009, 12:22 PM	#105
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,265	Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner I hope Gruden doesn't come here. He had some terrible offenses at TB that were constantly running dink and dunk crap, couldn't settle on a QB. Plus he got fired for not being able to communicate with the players. Then after he got fired all his dirty laundry came out, the players were just ripping him to pieces. IMO he sounds like an asshole. No thanks. There are plenty of guys out there that would be better than Gruden. But the first thing Snyder needs to do is hire a competent GM and let him make the hire... but that's not going to happen.

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